AJ1990

By that line of thinking even Vader shouldn’t be 501st approvable then *eyeroll*

Coming on slowly, guys. I've been quite busy up to Christmas, but I may be able to work on them during the break. Like I've said before, I won't offer a run until they are actually made!

By that line of thinking even Vader shouldn’t be 501st approvable then *eyeroll*

This moment anyone can do Tala Durith as she is an Imperial military officer Non saga.  All of the items in her kit are available.

As a general rule if a character is doing something that is considered part of a standard generic uniform, you can already do it. 
 
If they have an accessory that can be added to the CRL, if someone makes it, we will be glad to take a look and possibly add it as an option to the CRL.

Where we get in trouble is when someone does something unique: Krennic's cape was only worn by him.  Those are the only occasions where a character specific CRL is made.
 
 

This will be the text submitted to the LMO team.  It is the same as the previous submission last year with the exception that a single line has been removed from the Tunic section.

The tunic has a center seam in the back, reaching the yoke.

This line has been removed after learning the details of how the back was constructed by direct contact with LFL by the LCO.  The costume has been altered to reflect this single detail change in the above photos.  The rest stands as before.
 
Sith Eternal Officer CRL
 
Description: Sith Eternal / Final Order Officer
Prefix: ID
Detachment: Imperial Officer Corps
Context: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
Officers in the High Command of the Final Order, raised on the planet Exegol by the Sith Eternal—Sith cultists who revered the dark side of the Force and were devoted to the Sith religion. 
 
Hat, Sith Officer, Black
The front brim is a shiny black patent leather-like material. It is curved and does not obscure the wearer's eyes. The brim should attach to the hat body to present smooth curves at the sides, aligning with the back flap. The visible sides of the crown have an appearance of ribbed black leather, rubber, or similar material. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown approximately 4" (100mm) tall. Hat is roughly cone shaped with a flat crown Front and rear ‘flaps’, and top of the crown, are of a black medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic. Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides, with the back flap's ends overlapping the front's where they attach to the body of the hat. Front flap is approximately .5" to 1" (12-25mm) higher than the top of the crown, and crisp and smooth in appearance. The flap is vertical with a tilt outwards around the sides of the hat. Rear flap is vertical with a tilt outwards around the sides and back. Sith Code Disk is metal or metal appearance and is positioned at the center of the front vertical flap.  
Tunic
Fabric is a black, medium weight suiting, exactly matching the pants. The closure is at the center front using a zipper with concealed teeth, surrounded by visible red material approx 3-5mm wide. There is red ribbon or similar approximately 1/8" to 1/4" (3-5mm) wide, crossing the chest from each side and angling slightly down to meet in the center of the tunic, combining with the center closure to form a flattened Y shape , when worn. The sleeves are long and end at the wrist. The tunic is fitted to the body, with a shoulder yoke across the back. There is no vent in the back of the tunic. A vertical dart on each side of the front may extend up from the waist under the belt, stopping approximately mid chest, if needed to accommodate body curvature. Rank band insignia is attached on the left arm approximately 1/3 of the distance from the elbow to the wrist. A V-shaped separate chest yoke is attached to the top and front of the tunic, extending up from directly above the red lines.  It is the same fabric as the tunic, with smooth, semi-rigid construction. The Chest Yoke follows the neck curvature and extends to cover the top of the shoulders with faux epaulettes atop the shoulder, and ending at the back of the epaulettes atop the shoulder. The Chest Yoke attaches in a seamless, flush, invisible manner.  
Level 2: The Tunic's yoke across the back shall intersect the arm-hole seams approximately 1/3 of the way down the arms, from the top. There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt.
  Level 3: There is a lining sewn in.  
Neck Seal
The Neck Seal shall have an appearance of ribbed black leather, rubber, or similar material. The Neck Seal is fitted to the wearer under the jacket, with horizontal ribs. The ribbed material extends from the base of the neck to just under the chin, to conceal the entire neck.  
Chest Rank Bar
A plain metal rectangle with radiused half-circles on the long ends, approximately 2 ½” (63.5mm) long by ⅜" (10mm) width and 1/8" (3mm) thick. Bar is attached flush to the tunic by concealed means.  
Jodhpur Pants
Fabric is a black, medium weight suiting, exactly matching the tunic. Flared riding breeches have semi-stiff flares in the hip/thigh area, below the tunic and above the knee. Pockets and waist belts are acceptable, if not visible with the tunic on. Flares are sharply triangular in shape and fit snugly at the knee.  
Officer Boots, Sith Officer
Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material, with moderate to high-gloss shine. There are no stretch panels, snap tabs, or decoration, other than the adjustment buckle at the top, if present. Boot seams closely match screen-used boots. Soles are flat. If zippers are present, they are on the inner part of the boot shaft only.
  Level 2: Boots have an adjustment buckle at the top  
Belt, Sith Officer
The belt is constructed from a rubber or rubber like material with horizontal ribbing. Belt is approximately 2.5" to 3" (63.5-76.2mm) in width, and should match the height of the belt buckle. There are no loops on the belt. Belt fits snugly over the natural waist of the wearer, covering the horizontal tunic seam, if present. The buckle is constructed from metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with rounded corners. Sith Code Disk is metal or metal appearance and is positioned at the center of the buckle.
  Level 2: Buckle has a satin finish, not brushed Corners are more rounded than Imperial Officer buckles from the original trilogy  
Gloves, Sith Officer, Black
Gloves are constructed of a non-textured, black leather or leather-like material. Gloves are have enclosed fingers, are fitted, and worn underneath the sleeves. Gloves are long enough to cover the wrist entirely. No visible buckles, straps, or ornamentation. Gloves may be plain or have three lines of stitching on the back of the hand.
  Level 2: Gloves have three lines of stitching on the back of the hand.  
Rank Insignia Band, Sith Officer
Worn on the left side of arm, above the wrist and below the elbow, approx 1/3 of the distance from the elbow to the wrist. Rank consists of one black band sewn down to the sleeve with raised red Aurebesh writing on it. The edges utilize piping or an embroidered line on each side. For the Captain rank, the Aurebesh spells “STELS". Additional rank options and corresponding Aurebesh shall be added as discovered from licensed sources. Both piping (if used) and embroidery (Aurabesh and lines) are red in color, close in color to the red used on the tunic stripes.

So the tunic is just about altered and ready to go. I am planning to take photos in the next few days but I just wanted to check, do I need to submit the photos and CRL here or elsewhere? Its been so long since my first attempt and given I never got formal rejection the first time, I am not sure I went about it the right way. 

As I understand it, @Imperialrebel is modifying her tunic's back to incorporate this updated information, at which point we will collect final images and prepare this CRL for submission to the LMOs.
 
Looking forward to finally getting this one out the door!

Hello IOC.
I was contacted today and LFL have finally come back to us with info on the Sith Eternal.  The back of the tunic is a straight cut, not pleated, and there are two vertical seams on the back all the way down to the bottom edge of the tunic similar to the FOSB.

With this final bit of information, we've decided with the rest of the LMO team that this costume now has enough references to be build into a CRL

That's a question that has no exact answer.
As an Imperial Officer you should act in character wherever the situation presents itself. And that is the key. It entirely depends on the situation.

I've known Imperial Officers to quietly ask, "you're going to be arrested, sir. Would you like it done nicely or nastily?". Of course most choose the nastily option, at which point the officer bawls his instructions and orders TK's around. Now this might be fun, and the subject might also enjoy it, but what about the 90 year old grandmother casually walking past minding her own business? So always think about the entire situation.

As open faced costumes we are the voice of the squad we are with, so think about that as well.

Generally, start with some courteous, add a little pompous, a hint of supremacy and lot of being really scared of Lord Vader. You'll then have the perfect mix.

But always, always give a smile at the end.

-Tristan

Be kind and respectful.
 
I have seen a lot of interpretation through the years.  MANY.  The only ones that have gotten us in trouble are the ones that are brusk or intolerant.  We know Star Wars forwards and backwards.  There is no guarantee that the people that interact or view us may know anything of who or what we are, so do be cautious.  

We are unlike any other costume in the imperial forces, because people get to see our face and that is often the people that they will directly interact with.  More than anyone else we are ambassadors.  

No transparency
No consistency
No honesty
No integrity

This is the reason I’m so offended by the lmo’s on this. They literally have no reason beyond “because we said so!” But saying “no this is fine” for others.

I get that, but I’m getting so very sick and tired of “high levels of legion = behind closed doors” - this should be brought to the public eye as to how biased, unfair and dangerously arrogant the lmo’s have been abusing their position.

https://imperialgunners.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3200-sith-fleet-technician-research-and-discussion/

Please keep it civil.

The accusation of transparency came after he posted in the legion forums and the thread was locked. 
 
Another person posed the same question and that post and thread was deleted.  

After that, a Garrison commander posed the question in closed council where it could not be easily moderated and they asked if it could be moved to open council.  Which was granted by the LMO.  Not all of the legion councilors thought it should be moved to open council.

Closed council exists to talk about sensitive topics that can legal repercussions.  This topic was none of those things and it was good to move it to open council.  Because policy should always be in the light of day.  We don't have to agree on policy, but we can agree that it should be discussed openly.

You’re half right there. I am irritated yes. But mostly by the double standards that are keeping a costume out of this legion. A costume that I myself would dearly love to do for the legion. I did state that way back in this thread. So not really to do with me knowing said costumer as much as people want to believe.

Edit to add:

No, I don’t begrudge any detachment for getting costumes approved. Any examples I’ve brought up, are not in hate of “these shouldn’t be part of the legion” - more in tone as “these are exactly why this costume SHOULD get approval”

You’re half right there. I am irritated yes. But mostly by the double standards that are keeping a costume out of this legion. A costume that I myself would dearly love to do for the legion. I did state that way back in this thread. So not really to do with me knowing said costumer as much as people want to believe.

Edit to add:

No, I don’t begrudge any detachment for getting costumes approved. Any examples I’ve brought up, are not in hate of “these shouldn’t be part of the legion” - more in tone as “these are exactly why this costume SHOULD get approval”

No transparency
No consistency
No honesty
No integrity

This is the reason I’m so offended by the lmo’s on this. They literally have no reason beyond “because we said so!” But saying “no this is fine” for others.

I get that, but I’m getting so very sick and tired of “high levels of legion = behind closed doors” - this should be brought to the public eye as to how biased, unfair and dangerously arrogant the lmo’s have been abusing their position.

If you have almost no references to a costume, you can say it is similar to another existing CRL and then fill in the gaps of your knowledge so you have a full costume CRL, even though you don't have complete photos of it.  

A good example of that is the new Sith Technician released the other day.  It is based off of the First order Gunner which is based off of the First Order Petty Officer.  only the Petty officer do we see the costume in back and in front....mostly.  So the leap is made that the Gunner is the same... and then the leap is made for the Sith Technician being the same.  

Those are guesses with the thought they would have a similar pattern.  

Thank you Bob. I have read over the discussion on the legion council now it’s been moved to public view

It’s clear to see even here in this thread just who is working against the ioc, and against their own works.

Thank you for your efforts on the matter. Now that a light is being shone behind those closed doors it’s no surprise as to who is working against us on this, and no surprise they wanted it hidden in closed council.

https://www.501st.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=129&t=109541&start=20
 
here is the link for all to see.  While regular members cannot participate they can read all that occurs.  I recommend that you speak to your garrison commanding officers, XOs and second seats to go into this discussion and let your opinions be heard 

I predate the CRLs.  I’m starting my 18th year in the Legion in January.  
We made the best decisions with what we could see.  
When I see the picture of this outstanding costume, we should be asking people to prove how it’s NOT accurate.  
spoiler: they won’t be able to.  That makes it screen accurate.  The discussion should end right there since we aren’t going for “prop accuracy” like some of the amazing, but clinically insane (much love to you, Fetts!) Boba Fetts who track down original pieces and don’t use any reproduction pieces.  
 
Look at the ANH costumes.  Those F451 things, etc.  
The CRL can change.
We aren’t lowering our standards.  Nobody out there in the general public gives a crap about princess seams and most of them don’t couldn’t even tell you what they are.  Approximately 98% of all non legion people I’ve asked over the years done even realize Vader’s costume was different in every movie.  You think potential seams barely visible not shown on screen on the back of a costume is what’s gonna hurt the credibility and reputation of the legion? 
Not as much as this, quite frankly, “weird flex” attempt at elitist gate keeping.  
Are we doing this for us, or for them? 
Perfect is the enemy of good.