Eagle

I'll try not to be too distracting, so I'll be brief. I don't think Deedra Meero is the main villain. I'd say it's an opinion. Syril Karn is more the main antagonist than Meero. He's in opposition specifically to the "Hero" Cassian than any of the others. Deedra is more the main antagonist to Luthen than Cassian for most of the series. If that makes sense, then any of the other ISB supervisors should get a CRL of their own or even Syril himself with his custom piping and tailoring. I personally like the way the Non-saga CRLs are written as they give members the freedom to do pretty much any imperial officer character. 
 
That's my last word on it here.
Let's discuss what are the merits of a new CRL creation elsewhere. What are the qualifications and what disqualifies a new CRL?

Sorry, Tom, but saying any named officer needs a CRL then saying not every named officer needs a CRL in the same post sounds too much like a double standard. That doesn't sit right with me. What is unique about the costume to warrant a separate CRL? Truly unique. There isn't much in my eyes. To do a named character has always been to base the Executor and Imperator certification on the character. every CRL in the legion has something unique about them. Something that sets them apart from others. Unfortunately, there isn't anything unique about most officer costumes. That isn't the fault of the IOC. That is by design of the costume department of the production.
 
After reading the progress on this multiple times and maybe this should be an extended conversation elsewhere, but from what I'm reading it's seeming more and more that this conversation is less and less about the actual costume and more about the fact that the character is female. Which bothers me. When did we start including gender into the creation of a new CRL?
 
Maybe it's because I'm a male but I have never seen any backlash over female CRL's. The principle that has been for IOC CRL creations has always been based on unique details in a character's costume. Director Isard for example. A very unique costume due to the red tunic and trousers. Then there's Thrawn and the Rebel's Thrawn compared to other GAs. Again, unique compared to others. Dedra Meero getting her own CRL just because she's female is sexist.
 
The 501st as a whole should not start the precedent of judging the person's appearance or gender. Only the costume and how it fits on the body. That is all and how it always should be. That's why we have a female as the CRL for the Rebels Era Thrawn right? Gender equality should always be present, but we shouldn't arbitrarily favor one over the other. If there truly is something unique in the costume by all means please find it, hunt it down, bring it to light and write the CRL and I'll rejoice as hard as anyone because I love to see new CRLs completed and hard work rewarded. But let's do it right first.
 
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong or if I misunderstand something... and please don't misunderstand my opposition for discrimination. Sexual discrimination disturbs me greatly.

I can't speak for any LMO administrations having not served on one.
I can speak for previous IOC administrations having been your predecessor, and working with my predecessor and his.
Where has there been resistance to CRLs for women?
The CRL models could certainly be updated to feature a more diverse array of members, but in my time and in my various roles I was never privy to specific CRLs for women or feminine presenting members being denied for that reason alone.
Seeing as you brought it up here, I'd appreciate elaboration on it here.
- Jeff

Dedra can't be done at the moment. You can use her configuration, but most the ISB officers had that same one. At the end of the day, you'll just be approved as ISB. The GML is going to approve you as ISB.
 
Glad you decided to listen to the membership.

It also appears that the inside of her belt is uncolored, which would explain how her uniform isn't covered in black stains from the belt rubbing off;

Just has a quick look and it appears though Dedra's tunic does have belt hooks its risen up at the front and there is a centre seam, EP 7 13:47

Unfortunately any boot that goes over my calf has to either be specifically made wide-calf or custom-made. My legs are no joke. Lol
 
Plus I’ll be waiting the same amount of time for my tunic from MazKave.

I respectfully disagree. I think characters/officers that play a significant role in these stories deserve a CRL. That includes people like Tarkin. I've never heard this sentiment voiced in any other administration but this one. 
 
At the end of the day when you go to the GML, you will not be approved as Dedra, you will be ISB. No matter what is said or promoted here.
 
It's a good system, for background officers sure. But you won't be approved as that Officer, you'll just be line, staff, or ISB with that named character configuration.
 
This is one of the first on screen imperial officer female leads, and not giving her a CRL is a disservice to our female members here in the IOC and the legion as whole. You have the interest, let the CRL be made. 
 
Tom

I wholeheartedly agree with Eagle in my capacity as Diversity Officer for my garrison. A female imperial lead is a VERY big deal and to not include her as her own CRL would be a disservice to all female and femme-presenting 501st members who have been waiting so long for a major female Imperial face character. This could also have implications for possible LFL casting troops, although they are rarer these days, I will admit. And people want to see face characters, let’s be honest.
 
She and the femme-identifying members of the Legion deserve more than “ISB non-saga with three blue tiles and a blonde bun.”
 
On the point of the middle seam, there is no evidence it *is* there in the non-saga ISB uniforms. Not in the references I’ve been able to find, anyway. They rarely show the tunic without the belt, so the opportunities to look are few and far between. We only know it’s there in the OT uniforms because they’ve been on display where they can be closely examined. The ISB non-saga has not had that opportunity, to my knowledge.
 
I am currently working to get higher-res images, and reaching out to find someone who might be able to tell me more. I’m also working closely with my GML, who is an approved staff officer and naval trooper. We’ve been pouring over the scenes where Dedra and the other ISB officers appear, and as far as we can see clearly, at least in Andor, they all wear the same style flat top boot with a strap. The location and style of the strap is still something we’re trying to nail down.

I respectfully disagree. I think characters/officers that play a significant role in these stories deserve a CRL. That includes people like Tarkin. I've never heard this sentiment voiced in any other administration but this one. 
 
At the end of the day when you go to the GML, you will not be approved as Dedra, you will be ISB. No matter what is said or promoted here.
 
It's a good system, for background officers sure. But you won't be approved as that Officer, you'll just be line, staff, or ISB with that named character configuration.
 
This is one of the first on screen imperial officer female leads, and not giving her a CRL is a disservice to our female members here in the IOC and the legion as whole. You have the interest, let the CRL be made. 
 
Tom

After reading through this thread, I think she deserves a face CRL like Tarkin.  That, and she has a ton of screen time compared to the generic Andor ISBs...

I for one speaking as an IOC member fully support a Dedra CRL.

I respectfully disagree. I think characters/officers that play a significant role in these stories deserve a CRL. That includes people like Tarkin. I've never heard this sentiment voiced in any other administration but this one. 
 
At the end of the day when you go to the GML, you will not be approved as Dedra, you will be ISB. No matter what is said or promoted here.
 
It's a good system, for background officers sure. But you won't be approved as that Officer, you'll just be line, staff, or ISB with that named character configuration.
 
This is one of the first on screen imperial officer female leads, and not giving her a CRL is a disservice to our female members here in the IOC and the legion as whole. You have the interest, let the CRL be made. 
 
Tom

I respectfully disagree. I think characters/officers that play a significant role in these stories deserve a CRL. That includes people like Tarkin. I've never heard this sentiment voiced in any other administration but this one. 
 
At the end of the day when you go to the GML, you will not be approved as Dedra, you will be ISB. No matter what is said or promoted here.
 
It's a good system, for background officers sure. But you won't be approved as that Officer, you'll just be line, staff, or ISB with that named character configuration.
 
This is one of the first on screen imperial officer female leads, and not giving her a CRL is a disservice to our female members here in the IOC and the legion as whole. You have the interest, let the CRL be made. 
 
Tom

You *could* also just get some synthetic boots for L1 and regular trooping while you wait for CrowProps.  They are like $70 or so, and are good enough and it's not like you worry about them if you have to troop in the rain etc.  That is what I did.

The newer shows have different variants on the trench coats, and include stitching and pockets not current allowable in the CRL.

The olive green "Kenobi" trenchcoat has stitching on the pockets, at hip level, and a large fake pocket at 45 degree angle on the left breast.  

I've included reference images, as well as the line in the CRL that would need updating.










 

All very excellent points Sara! 

I would also like to see some distinction with the Andor ISB officers. I am doing extensive research to do a Dedra Meero, but would like it to double as a standard ISB non-saga. The problem is that since I am having mine custom done by MazKave, as well, and all my accessories will pass Tier 3 standards, I want the tunic and boots to, as well.
 
However, Dedra and the other ISB officers in Andor do not have the curved top riding boot, as specified in the CRL for Tier 3 - in fact, all the ISB officers with their boots clearly visible in Andor do have the straight-across boot top, and it appears the flap, as well. Also, in the scene where she is putting on her tunic, the seam around the middle which the belt is supposed to cover seems absent. This detail is also required for ISB non-saga Tier 3.
 
There seems to be a disconnect between the current ISB non-saga CRL and the way the uniforms are presented in Andor. This mostly applies to higher-level approvals, but as someone who would very much like a double approval as a generic AND face character, and higher-tier approvals, these discrepancies pose an issue.
 
Edit: I am looking at my screenshots again and it does not appear Dedra has the flaps on the side. But I will have to examine more closely.

I'd personally be in favor of a CRL for her. I think at a certain point, main characters like this should get a CRL. 
 
Also gives us the opportunity to have some more female CRL representation, something a few members called for not to long ago.
 
Just my two cents. 

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Technically the color is a German word, "Feldgrau" ("Field Gray") which is a greenish brownish gray.  "Olive" is probably the closest color in real world, of course, which specific olive?  OD green is definitely not right... the US military "olive drab" green is far too green.  What you want to avoid is actual gray... that's a distinctly different uniform (which now exists due to Andor, as the lower level assistant officers to the ISB higher ups... the name is not quite formalized yet).
 
For the traditional Line Officer (like Tarkin and others in the original trilogy, or the Military Officer in the non-saga movies and shows), Anovos looks closest to "right" to the eye, but interestingly, the German garrison did a special run of fabric that was color matched to Tarkin's actual pants (owned by a private collector in Germany), and comparing Anovos, Wampa, and a scrap of that German fabric, Wampa's green is actually the closest match to the real deal.
 
Anovos hat on the left, Wampa hat on the right, German color-matched Cavalry tweed scrap at the bottom, natural sunlight:
 

By Steve Thompson
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I'd personally be in favor of a CRL for her. I think at a certain point, main characters like this should get a CRL. 
 
Also gives us the opportunity to have some more female CRL representation, something a few members called for not to long ago.
 
Just my two cents. 

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