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First: I support the decision to bring this to the LMOs as there seems to be some support for a separate CRL. That's what these topics are for: To exchange views. And I wrote 'some support' as I learned in LC that a lot of posts regarding a certain point of view definitely doesn't imply a majority.
Back to topic: I don't want a fundamental decision to be made on the basis of an individual case and the IOC to end up CRL-technically where the CTD is and - analogous to there - every displaced seam leads to a new CRL. Yes this is a polemic statement, but I get a crisis with every entry I have to make in the MemberDB (and that's a lot). So at this point my personal opinion on this aspect:
Am I in favor that as many costumes and their variations as possible can and should be represented within the 501st? Absolutely!
Does this mean that there has to be a CRL for every one of them? No, please don't!In my view, CRL creation is about quality, not quantity. The more CRLs are created, the greater the administrative effort and the higher the probability of errors. And as Bob already stated, we're talking about individual costumes here. Every detail of an officer costume will differ if you compare a 2 meter guy with a 1,60 girl as they need to be fit to the wearer.
Would a standalone CRL for Dedra be a sign of female representing members of this Detachment? It certainly could be. On the other hand, the same was true for Ciena Ree, Rae Sloane, or Rose Tico in disguise, and there would be even more factors than gender identity that would come into play. There are a also a lot of other outstanding officers throughout the source material who don't have there own CRL. Therefore, my desired approach would be to look at what differences there are between Dedra and conventional ISB costumes and weigh whether these are really so essential (for me, this would not include different seam lengths) that it justifies a separate CRL.
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Hi, just adding some thoughts after reading the draft und watching the screens:
On 10/14/2022 at 9:58 PM, Callista said:Required Costume Components
Tunic, Fieldgrey with black highlights
· Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants and hat.
· Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
· Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on at the right shoulder-seam.
· Yoke closes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam.
· A black flap is sewn onto each shoulder, 2 to 2,5 cm wide and ends at the vertical front seam.
· The standing collar is black and has square corners and is approximately 3 to 5 cm tall and closes snugly.
· The wearer's neck must not be visible between the closed collar edges.
· Collar edges are closed together in front with two eye hooks.
· There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.
· The back of the tunic has 2 princess seams that run vertically and turn outward to intersect the arm-hole seam at the vertical center.
· A belt holder (hook) is sewn onto the tunic in the area of the princess seam in the back.
· Sleeves are long, and with black trimming at each end which covers ca. 25% of the arm of the costume from wrist to top.
· Sleeves containing 1 seam, one along the back which is also visible on the black part.
· Hook and eye fasteners on the uniform are not visible.
· Tunic ends right above the knee.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
· There is a dart in the top center of the tunic; this dart is between 2 inches (50.8mm) and 3 inches (76.2mm in length.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
· Tunic is secured on the right side by snaps or buttons, not Velcro.
· A lining is sewn in.
I'm unsure if the collar is similar to the one we know. I checked the pics and I don't see the characteristic gap or any hint that there's a hook and eye closure. In one picture it looks almost like a mandarin collar. I tried to makle a quick sketch of what I mean:
On 10/14/2022 at 9:58 PM, Callista said:Required Costume Components
Gala belt
· black with silver decoration.
· worn around the waist with one sash over the right shoulder, secured by the black shoulder flap and two invisible snap fasteners in the back (probably also with two in the front behind the belt box).
· The belt is constructed from a black basis, probably leather or leather-like and two silver pipings sewn on top.
· Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.
· There are no loops on the belt.
· The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
· The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.
· Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center.
· Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
· Buckle is flat or may have a very slight curve.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
· ....
Something else that caught my eye is the gala belt and the black trim below the shoulder: Could it be that the gala belt goes through there? It looks at least almost so.
I hope you're able to get the correct fabric, as far as I know is Feldgrau (not that one, but the one used mostly for Line/Military Officers in Germany) only a custom produced run by the weaving mill and I don't know if they produce other shades of this color.
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Even if in the end you guys should turn out as the minority opinion, there's no reason to not encourage an applicant to go for higher accurancy (Executor/Imperator) and choose a configuration seen on screen
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16 hours ago, Eagle said:
I disagree, the entire CRL library is curated, thats not a bad thing in this scenario. I'm all for new crls, as long as sufficient references exist. Just because a character or costume exists, doesn't mean it automatically can become a CRL. References are needed, period. Let's not forget; if your goal is to join the Legion, the costumes we make are used for charity and community. It isn't about being that one officer who was on screen for 3 seconds or in a comic for 3 panels and going to cocktails parties. That's cool, just don't lose the plot of why we do this.
These new costumes are neat, this one particularly makes sense since we have NS Staff. But all the attention has been on CRLs since February. As a member, I would like to see other things being worked on. Like a revamp to our troop tracking system, bringing back our newsletter, merch, updated trading cards, forum sections for people who speak other languages, updating our command division program, etc.
Let's get this one in the books without making it to stuffed. Believe me, as an advisor I KNOW people get confused reading these, especially new or tentative members. Tabs exist to assist people.
As a personal sidenote:
IMO the IOC does a damn good this year in focussing on making CRLs for the new costumes. That's what IMO is the main reason for detachments: Creating CRLs out of shared reference material. The "rest" (e.g. merch) is a nice extra to cultivate the corporate feeling. Speaking of references, I agree with Rob: If you see something on screen, you should be able to clear it. There are CRLs out there für costumes that have only seconds of screentime (Bazine Natal, Zuckuss, Mechanical Crew,...) and people have tons of fun buildiung and wearing them (just look up "Rapid Reaction cleunup Crew" on Instagram). It's the core of the 501st in the first place: Building and wearing screen accurate costumes. Of course charity became also a big part of our club, but it's not the reason we exist and shouldn't intervene what CRLs we create.
- lantern2745, kman, charlyselo and 1 other
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Personally with more "imperial aliens" like the Devaronian coming up I'd like to see "not yet Grand Admiral Thrawn" included as a variant in the new Imperial Military Officer CRL.
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The draft(s) in this thread look fine to me. It resembles all the essantial parts provided by the original costume/CRL and also allows the necessary flexibility to realise all the new possibilities to represent officers in the new sources. I also support the inclusion of the new material in one CRL with maybe different tabs. No need to further bloat the CRL list any further or encourage people to submit the same base costume on an on to get more marks for the cleared costumes list. I'm happy to see that the IOC fully embraces the new content/ costumes and provides the necessary tolls to clear it. Keep it up!
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2 hours ago, Eagle said:
The only reason you think this situation is idiotic is because you didn't get your way and you have a right to feel that way. If you really think about it, LMO's have no incentive to shutdown CRLs, they're only doing their jobs to make sure half baked CRLs don't go out.
Sorry to say that, but if you read the complete creation of this CRL, you shouldn't have used the wording "half baked" in this context. It's a well researched costume based on all accessible references. The only thing not covered by references is the lower back. I personally raised this concern, but I'm fine with the approach Steph used. Should it be a showstopper then? Neither the written process demands references for all details nor did the handling of other CRLs by the LMOs indicate that.
We/someone could reach out to Stella Atkinson (the assistant costume designer and name giver for the rankband) to get more information as Glynn Dilon suggested she could know more as I asked him via Twitter about the rankband last year (he deleted his replies). But I can't find any contact of her. -
1 hour ago, Theblueguy808 said:
You may think it's insignificant but it could mean the approval or denial of future submissions. We've seen time and time again when members build a costume but are denied approval because it doesn't meet the new standards of the CRL. I know Kris's team is trying to prevent that from happening.
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That's already happening several times a month. Sometimes members don't check CRLs and didn't notice something changed, or people who want to join buy used costumes that didn't match the current standard, or someone starts building a costume, then leaves the built and starts finishing it two years later without checking for changes. And I'm not talking about changes made days, but months or even years ago. There's no way we could provide enough information to forestall the worst-case applicant. And believe me, my GML-team and I tried.
Also we already altered/grandfathered complete CRL in the past. We have two FO Generals in my Garrison, a CRL with a lifespan of hardly a year within our library.
So to reject the Final Order Officer just because somewhere in the future an applicant could be revoked after the CRL changed is IMO nothing we should consider in the current decision.
- kman, lantern2745, Imperialrebel and 1 other
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I don't remember everything of the talks as BF 2 came out, but the code cylinder pockets were constructed like breast pockets of modern day jackets:
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10 hours ago, Imperialrebel said:
For thise asking about the back. Here are my screenshots. I managed to lighten the picture and there is 100% a seam across the back, around shoulder height.
And heres mine
Totally agree with the horizontal seam. I also spent more time than I wanted to experiment with GIMP to maybe get some hint on the rest of the back, but there's no chance to recognize anything other.
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Sadly he wasn't involved in the construction as he would share his information. He could only confirm the rankbar (STELS).
So IMO we can only choose between two options and I don't like both of them as I also want to do this. Either we stall the CRL until we may gather the information through someone who had connections to the costume department, a future panel or some bts (not the K-Pop band) shot. or we go down the slippery slope of assumption.
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I only know about the screencap that shows the yoke and searched the internet back and forth to get further info. The Lego minifig suggests that there might be some sort of vertikal or maybe even princess seams, but no way to see anything due to the phenomenal illumination.
CRL draft looks good to me, but there are to things regarding the tunic where I have questions if- Do we have any information how the chest yoke is attached?
If we can confirm that it was attached with hooks and bars I'm ok with that, otherwise I would leave it to the applicant how they want to construct it.
- Same question regarding the front closure
Do we have references? I think as they used something similar for the FO Lieutenant/Captain it could be the same construction method. But again I wouldn't like to demand something that can't be proven by references.
I could also ask the same question about the seam around the waist, but as it's important to get the tunic a good fit I'd just include it.
Maybe someone here knows how to contact Stella Atkinson (the assistant costume designer of Ep IX) to answer these questions. At least Glyn Dillon guessed that she is meant on the rankbar as "Stels" is her Nickname and whilst taking into account her job it would make sense.
- tarok and Theblueguy808
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Hello again,
as your last post made me a bit curious, i just wanted to ask if there's any news on this topic?
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Hi @all,
it seems there was recently an update of the Hux CRL. As a sidenote: It'd be nice if those things are announed here. As a GML i get the updates via the LMOs, but 'normal' members don't get them.
Some things are really an improvement, but i really hope it's an accident that the rankbar isn't required für basic approval anymore?
Also I'm curious why the "shiny fabric" requirement moved from basic approval to Lvl 2?
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I know it's the wrong universe, bit I'd say "Make it so".
- Paggeldiwwer, f00f and Steven
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@Steven Nice work,! Makes me think about grabbing some more from Antjes fabric to do both variants of the pants.
I'd personally like to see it become it's own CRL as there are at least three clearly visible differences, four if the lack of gloves.
That's the exact amount of differences between the Line officer and the Grandmoff Tarkin CRL and nobody would suggest to make him a variant.
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Hi @ all,
just wanted to ask if there's any communicable news?
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Hello @all,
I was unsure where to put this, so in the end I decided that’s something CRl related and dropped it here.
It seems to me there’s a communication issue regarding the Anovos tunic and the requirements for lvl 2. In another thread Kris stated that there’s an exception for Anovos tunics as they lack the waist seam in the front panel of the tunic. Anovos tunics are approved to Executor status even though the requirement
“There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt”
Isn’t completely fulfilled.
I used the search option of our forum but haven’t found a thread where this exception was official announced. That’s something I had expected to find as it’s something all possible applicants with an Anovos tunic could benefit from this exception and hadn’t to modify theirs to match the requirement. As I’m unaware if members of my garrison bought from Anovos I’d appreciate an official confirmation so I’m able to give the best advices to my applicants as GML of my garrison (which would be to go to a local tailor or seamstress in the first place, but that’s another topic).
Maybe it’s possible to add the reasons that led to this decision, as it’s unusual for the 501st to privilege a certain vendor. The rare scenes that are the base for this specific requirement show exactly the part of the tunic where Anovos lacks it.
Have a nice sunday eveving,
Raphael
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On 25.6.2018 at 4:37 PM, GDMorti said:
FO Uniforms have followed a trend so far of each style working for two ranks. The grey with code cylinders on the chest for Lieutenant and Captain. The teal foldover for Colonel and Major. The white FOSB tunic being worn by a Colonel I believe is more to do with his particular job than his rank (So that's going to be fun to deal with lol) but now we have the black foldover uniform worn by an Admiral and, it appears, a General. How will this be handled?
Following your line of argument it should be named general/admiral.
The more we learn about this costume, the more I'm convinced Hux' version is meant to be a snowflake within the First Order. We know from several statements that other actors also wore the same style like Hux (what's one of the reasons we have a FO General CRL), but they can hardly be seen in the movie. The admiral/general we're discussion here is obviously more visible in the shots. -
Rearranging the CRls make totally sense and i like the proposed ideas with three head- und five subcategories as Ross posted.
Also it`s good to seperate by affiliations and note timeperiod as the sequels and series fill the gaps between the basic three "blocks" (Prequels, OT and Sequels) what makes it difficult.
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There were two members of the Swiss Garrison I met some years ago who did Twi'Lek Staff Officers. They looked awesome.
With the new canon it's also not unlikely that we'll see non-human officers in the future. In contrast to the Legends he Empire isn't strictly anti non-human anymore. It's more a general prejudice against them as the Confederacy constituted of non-human species. And we already got an Alderaanian that served the Empire after the destruction of his homeplanet, so Twi'Lek officers aren't unlikely.
So long just do the costume and wear it outside of canon events.
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On 10.04.2018 at 3:56 PM, GDMorti said:
Also, and this goes for anyone wanting to up their makeup game not just with Thrawn (although for Thrawn and Chiss it makes such a huge, huge difference!), learning to contour will raise your game from "oh hey a Thrawn!" to "oh my god, look at that Thrawn! Wow!" I promise you. <3 You don't even have to fully blue-up to practice. Applying and blending you can do just on your face as-is.
It'll just look very weird. XD
EDIT: while you're practising makeup techniques, it doesn't hurt to get yourself used to having things touching around your eyes and wearing product around your eyes. Desensitising yourself to applying eyeliner or even just brushing clean q-tips around your eyelid area and waterline is going to really help ensure a solid coverage, right up to the eyeline. If the Endura is too intense to put that close to your eyes, work that area over with powders and blue makeups to get it as close as you can without rubbing alcohol paint in there. XD PLUS then you'll be able to apply that red eyeliner and it's another small detail.
As I'm planning to revive my legends Thrawn (and do a Rebels Thrawn in the future), can you recommend any tutorials @GDMorti?
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Amnesty Officer (Mando)
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It is something one can debate on, but I completely agree that like the Narkina 5s this is a costume for both Legions.