SNK

Yes sir - both in my initial post - and the thread that Kevin had made initially for the first time CRL approval.

Thanks!


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Alright gang!
Okay, here is what I think can be changed.
 
The name.  I actually like the idea of calling it, "Imperial Army Officer: Mimban".  Not a big change, but it seems to fit well.
 
The rank bar entry.
Lvl 1
 Wearer may use any Imperial Army Rank bar as seen in Solo (single row) Translucent plastic tiles mounted on a metal bar and worn on the left side of the upper chest.  Lvl 2
Must use Army Lieutenant (2 red tiles followed by 1 blue) or Army Major (3 red tiles followed by 2 blue)  
Lvl 3
Must use Army Lieutenant (2 red tiles followed by 1 blue)  
Trench coat entry
Lvl 1 unchanged until last bullet point
Collar may have a brown fur (or faux fur) collar lining.  Lvl 2 unchanged
 
Lvl 3
Collar must have a brown fur (or faux fur) collar lining.   
I believe this is holds to the spirit of what is being discussed.  It doesn't address wearing the coat open, as (unless I missed something) the reference for that was from Rogue One, not Solo.
This would also let someone wear a Solo Captain's rank bar at level one, which I think is fair.
What does everyone else think?
Also, the question raised within the CRL Team was will we need to add a photo of the Major rank bar.  I think we would want to.  If anyone has one made (with the larger R1/Solo buttons) and wants to send a photo we can move forward.
 
- Jeff

We have the text ready. In getting it going, we did have one more question pop up.
Once we find the most eloquent solution, we will have a thing to show everyone.
It's close. And I think everyone will like it!

Awesome! I’ll be happy to have contributed to this CRL! Even if it was in a small way


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Good evening.
First I would like to thank @kevair464, @Hask, @Hux, and everyone else involved in getting the initial CRL off the ground. It was a lot of work - and I am standing on their shoulders with my proposal here. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to weigh in on this with this write-up.
 
I would like to propose the following edits and additions for consideration:

1. That the name of the CRL be changed to read "Imperial Army Officer - Mimban" rather than "Officer - Mimban Lieutenant."
 
Reasoning: There are many more officers present on Mimban than just the Lieutenant. Many are seen in background shots, and there are two additional Imperial Army ranks that are shown on screen. Changing the title of the CRL would allow for more flexibility of choice and options for the membership.
 
2. That under "Trenchcoat" the faux fur collar only be required if the member is attempting to exactly replicate the look of Lieutenant Bolandin and the faux fur collar be moved to an optional item in all other circumstances. Additionally, that an option for the coat to be worn open with no belt (on the outside - naturally a belt would still be required at the waist of the tunic) be added. This will naturally require a tab, as a standard tunic will most certainly be required in that case.
 
Reasoning: There are several instances on screen that show Imperial Officers from both SOLO and Rogue One wearing the trench coat with no fur detail present on the collar. It appears that Lieutenant Bolandin is the only officer seen on screen wearing that particular accessory on his coat. In regards to the coat being worn open with no belt, again, there are multiple instances seen on screen both in SOLO and Rogue One where Imperial Officers are wearing the coat open without a belt.
 
3. That under "Rankbar" the additional ranks of Imperial Army Captain (3 red, 1 blue), and Imperial Army Major (3 red, 2 blue) be included as options.
Reasoning: The officer in the beginning of the Mimban battle scene has been positively identified as a Major (both in the canon novelization of SOLO, and in the movie itself during conversation.) In the scene where Han interrupts Beckett and Val plotting how they are going to steal an AT Hauler he confronts them and correctly surmises (as indicated by Val's reaction of "well now we have to shoot him") that Beckett and company are not Imperial Army, but rather wearing stolen uniforms and looking to steal equipment. The assertion that Beckett is wearing a genuine Imperial Army uniform is further proved when Beckett turns Han over to Lieutenant Bolandin in the next scene. The Lieutenant obviously doesn't recognize Beckett personally, but he recognizes the uniform and the rank as genuine. Finally, the origins of the armor that Beckett and Vall and Rio are wearing is explained in the canon novelization. A screen shot of the relevant passage is included, but my reading of the situation goes that the Korso character was not originally part of Beckett's gang, but rather a disgruntled Imperial military member looking for a ticket off Mimban. He got the uniforms for Beckett, Val, and Rio in exchange for joining the gang and passage off the planet. I feel that the evidence irrefutably supports the inclusion of both Captain and major as canon ranks for imperial Army Officers on Mimban.
 
4. That under "Code Cylinders" the text be amended to to only require code cylinders clipped to the collar of the trench coat if the member is attempting to exactly replicate the look of Lieutenant Bolandin. 
Reasoning: The screenshots of the Major, and from what I could make out - all the other background officers we are able to see the fronts of, do not show any code cylinders clipped to the collar of the trench coat. The Lieutenant appears to be, again, unique in this manner of display. For what it is worth, Beckett is not wearing any code cylinders with his uniform either, but there could be any number of reasons for that, and not necessarily indicative of the dead Captain not having any either.


All this being said, I would at the very least like the CRL to be amended in title, the option be granted to wear Lieutenant, Captain, or Major rank, and that the faux fur on the collar of the trench coat be optional unless one is attempting to specifically portray Lieutenant Bolandin. If none of the edits I propose, I would appreciate those concessions.

My overarching reasoning is thus: Beckett's armor and uniform is genuine, therefore there must have been an Imperial Army Captain on Mimban otherwise Beckett would not be wearing the armor. Likewise with the Major - may whatever entity he may have believed in have mercy on his soul. Additionally, there are a multitude of screenshots that indicate Lieutenant Bolandin may very well be alone in his particular fashion choices. There is overwhelming physical evidence that indicates the fur is not standard, even on Mimban.

As far as the other accessories, such as the sidearm, the belt box, and the Yugo ammo pouch, I feel like a case for those being standard equipment can be made - not withstanding that the Lieutenant is the only officer that is seen wearing them. Whether the Major is wearing those accessories under the trench coat is unclear due to lighting and his relative short time on screen before exploding. This can be explained by the fact that the Lieutenant is the only officer with sufficient screen time to warrant proper "kitting out" as all other background officers are either not seen with their fronts to the camera, or appear for such a short period of time and in such bad lighting that it wasn't worth giving them kit as only people like us would ever notice something like that - lol

The goggles as optional accessories, as currently written into the CRL, also make sense as a standard item, even though it is only Beckett that is seen wearing them. No other officer, the Major or any of the background ones that I could see, are wearing them. That said, the Troopers have a means of shielding their eyes from flying mud, it only makes sense that officers would have that too. Why the others don't have them could be for any number of reasons.

I submit for consideration the following screenshots:

Screenshot 1a/b - This image shows Beckett and Han back to back and offers a good view of the uniform that Beckett is wearing. Present is the seam that runs down the center outside of the sleeve, the distinctive collar, and the wide cuff. Its construction and look is consistent with those worn by other Imperial Officers on Mimban, including Lieutenant Bolandin and the Major, as well as other background officers in the trench scene. It is further consistent with those trench coats worn by Imperial Officers on Jedha, which have been confirmed as the same coats. Evidance from the canon novelization indicates that this armor is genuine.


 
Screenshot 2a/b - This image shows the Major from the opening scene. The image has been artificially lightened and is not of the best quality unfortunately. It is confirmed that he is a Major though both in the movie, as well as in the canon novelization. You will note that the trench coat is of the same variety as that worn by Lieutenant Bolandin, Beckett, and the background officers. Additionally note that both Beckett and the Major are wearing their coats open rather than belted. Evidence suggests that both were acceptable as the background officers present a mixed bag.



Screenshot 3a/b/c - These images show a few background officers, many with their backs turned, or their coats closed. Again the lighting and the resolution are not perfect, but I do not feel that we will ever get anything better unless further shots emerge in the Making of Solo book due out later this year. They all present the same caps as the Lieutenant, Beckett, and the Major, and aside from one who appears to indeed be wearing armor from the ghost of a rank bar protrusion, whether or not they are wearing armor I feel is irrelevant. There are already three solid examples to make the case that Imperial Army Officers on Mimban wore the chest armor over their uniform.




Screenshot 4 - This image is of Imperial Officers on Jedha from Rogue One. It is included to provide a good lighting shot of the Imperial Officer trench coat, as well as to provide an example of one being worn belted and one being worn without a belt.


I welcome any discussion on this proposal, as well as if anyone has the ability to scroll through the Blu-Ray and upload better screen grabs. Mine were taken from 1080 YouTube clips and I feel like they could be better. I have also not tried to doctor them - so if anyone is good at that and can make some of those hidden details pop I would appreciate it.

Thank you and I stand by to answer any questions!


 

Still hashing it out.  Celebration is taking most of my time right now.  I swear we're moving on this.  Not nearly as quickly as I'd hoped to.
Please know that it is a priority though.
Sorry for dragging this out,
- Jeff

I’ve made the lapels on mine smaller, they were a bit oversized




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Yeah - maybe they combined a color change and custom sizing fee for us - since a lot of us are doing that.
 
Absolutely email first.
 
 
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@SNK:  The CRL Team is reviewing this proposal again. There's a good chance many of the proposals can be implemented, but we will confirm later.
 
Meanwhile, because Legion databases are still locked, post-election, and the new LMO teams can't even START working on the backlog until March 1 when the transition switch is flipped, it is likely to be at LEAST March 10 before anything can actually start moving on this, even if everyone here was in complete agreement. The Detachment staff does not currently have the power to make ANY changes, nor can the Legion staff review any of our proposals until they're back up and running.  So please be patient while the Legion-level people get their bearings.
 
Once the wheels are moving again, things can start happening.

Well if I’m in such good company.....


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For what my opinion as CRL originator matters, I’d back all of these ideas, would better match the other “non face” CRLs.


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I'm not sure what suggestions are going through, but I would like to add my two credits to this sabaac table.
 
First: I would agree with the idea to change the name to officer and have the level 2/3 requirements for specific characters (the LT). This is after all very much how most CRLs are for this detachment with the exception of specific named face characters (Tarkin, Veers, etc).
 
Second: I would open up the rank bar requirements for L1 only to include the ranks provided to us for R1 as well (single rank bars only). We thankfully know that they carried those ranks over. This also keeps the crl in the same style as the original line officer.
 
Now, I believe that a Bekket in disguise would be the underworld detachment complete with blaster holes, but I would think that the non blaster pocketed armour would count as evidence to at least add the rank bar to the general list.
 
Either way, looking forward to seeing where this goes.

Just discovered Mimban attire in Captain Kosh, in the game SW: Commander.

Not from a Jedi 
 
 
lol, seriously I think Antje made it 

The description says it’s black - probably an unintentional carryover from the Staff Officer CRL.

I don’t think we have seen a line officer with a poncho yet - only the trench coat.


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He’s not - and I don’t really consider either of those images a good reference for this purpose - neither of them are wearing armor in this picture - they are just in standard uniforms with trench coats.
 
I also don’t recall the Commander on screen or being mentioned in the novel - I’d have to skim it again though to be sure.
 
 
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Good evening.
First I would like to thank @kevair464, @Hask, @Hux, and everyone else involved in getting the initial CRL off the ground. It was a lot of work - and I am standing on their shoulders with my proposal here. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to weigh in on this with this write-up.
 
I would like to propose the following edits and additions for consideration:

1. That the name of the CRL be changed to read "Imperial Army Officer - Mimban" rather than "Officer - Mimban Lieutenant."
 
Reasoning: There are many more officers present on Mimban than just the Lieutenant. Many are seen in background shots, and there are two additional Imperial Army ranks that are shown on screen. Changing the title of the CRL would allow for more flexibility of choice and options for the membership.
 
2. That under "Trenchcoat" the faux fur collar only be required if the member is attempting to exactly replicate the look of Lieutenant Bolandin and the faux fur collar be moved to an optional item in all other circumstances. Additionally, that an option for the coat to be worn open with no belt (on the outside - naturally a belt would still be required at the waist of the tunic) be added. This will naturally require a tab, as a standard tunic will most certainly be required in that case.
 
Reasoning: There are several instances on screen that show Imperial Officers from both SOLO and Rogue One wearing the trench coat with no fur detail present on the collar. It appears that Lieutenant Bolandin is the only officer seen on screen wearing that particular accessory on his coat. In regards to the coat being worn open with no belt, again, there are multiple instances seen on screen both in SOLO and Rogue One where Imperial Officers are wearing the coat open without a belt.
 
3. That under "Rankbar" the additional ranks of Imperial Army Captain (3 red, 1 blue), and Imperial Army Major (3 red, 2 blue) be included as options.
Reasoning: The officer in the beginning of the Mimban battle scene has been positively identified as a Major (both in the canon novelization of SOLO, and in the movie itself during conversation.) In the scene where Han interrupts Beckett and Val plotting how they are going to steal an AT Hauler he confronts them and correctly surmises (as indicated by Val's reaction of "well now we have to shoot him") that Beckett and company are not Imperial Army, but rather wearing stolen uniforms and looking to steal equipment. The assertion that Beckett is wearing a genuine Imperial Army uniform is further proved when Beckett turns Han over to Lieutenant Bolandin in the next scene. The Lieutenant obviously doesn't recognize Beckett personally, but he recognizes the uniform and the rank as genuine. Finally, the origins of the armor that Beckett and Vall and Rio are wearing is explained in the canon novelization. A screen shot of the relevant passage is included, but my reading of the situation goes that the Korso character was not originally part of Beckett's gang, but rather a disgruntled Imperial military member looking for a ticket off Mimban. He got the uniforms for Beckett, Val, and Rio in exchange for joining the gang and passage off the planet. I feel that the evidence irrefutably supports the inclusion of both Captain and major as canon ranks for imperial Army Officers on Mimban.
 
4. That under "Code Cylinders" the text be amended to to only require code cylinders clipped to the collar of the trench coat if the member is attempting to exactly replicate the look of Lieutenant Bolandin. 
Reasoning: The screenshots of the Major, and from what I could make out - all the other background officers we are able to see the fronts of, do not show any code cylinders clipped to the collar of the trench coat. The Lieutenant appears to be, again, unique in this manner of display. For what it is worth, Beckett is not wearing any code cylinders with his uniform either, but there could be any number of reasons for that, and not necessarily indicative of the dead Captain not having any either.


All this being said, I would at the very least like the CRL to be amended in title, the option be granted to wear Lieutenant, Captain, or Major rank, and that the faux fur on the collar of the trench coat be optional unless one is attempting to specifically portray Lieutenant Bolandin. If none of the edits I propose, I would appreciate those concessions.

My overarching reasoning is thus: Beckett's armor and uniform is genuine, therefore there must have been an Imperial Army Captain on Mimban otherwise Beckett would not be wearing the armor. Likewise with the Major - may whatever entity he may have believed in have mercy on his soul. Additionally, there are a multitude of screenshots that indicate Lieutenant Bolandin may very well be alone in his particular fashion choices. There is overwhelming physical evidence that indicates the fur is not standard, even on Mimban.

As far as the other accessories, such as the sidearm, the belt box, and the Yugo ammo pouch, I feel like a case for those being standard equipment can be made - not withstanding that the Lieutenant is the only officer that is seen wearing them. Whether the Major is wearing those accessories under the trench coat is unclear due to lighting and his relative short time on screen before exploding. This can be explained by the fact that the Lieutenant is the only officer with sufficient screen time to warrant proper "kitting out" as all other background officers are either not seen with their fronts to the camera, or appear for such a short period of time and in such bad lighting that it wasn't worth giving them kit as only people like us would ever notice something like that - lol

The goggles as optional accessories, as currently written into the CRL, also make sense as a standard item, even though it is only Beckett that is seen wearing them. No other officer, the Major or any of the background ones that I could see, are wearing them. That said, the Troopers have a means of shielding their eyes from flying mud, it only makes sense that officers would have that too. Why the others don't have them could be for any number of reasons.

I submit for consideration the following screenshots:

Screenshot 1a/b - This image shows Beckett and Han back to back and offers a good view of the uniform that Beckett is wearing. Present is the seam that runs down the center outside of the sleeve, the distinctive collar, and the wide cuff. Its construction and look is consistent with those worn by other Imperial Officers on Mimban, including Lieutenant Bolandin and the Major, as well as other background officers in the trench scene. It is further consistent with those trench coats worn by Imperial Officers on Jedha, which have been confirmed as the same coats. Evidance from the canon novelization indicates that this armor is genuine.


 
Screenshot 2a/b - This image shows the Major from the opening scene. The image has been artificially lightened and is not of the best quality unfortunately. It is confirmed that he is a Major though both in the movie, as well as in the canon novelization. You will note that the trench coat is of the same variety as that worn by Lieutenant Bolandin, Beckett, and the background officers. Additionally note that both Beckett and the Major are wearing their coats open rather than belted. Evidence suggests that both were acceptable as the background officers present a mixed bag.



Screenshot 3a/b/c - These images show a few background officers, many with their backs turned, or their coats closed. Again the lighting and the resolution are not perfect, but I do not feel that we will ever get anything better unless further shots emerge in the Making of Solo book due out later this year. They all present the same caps as the Lieutenant, Beckett, and the Major, and aside from one who appears to indeed be wearing armor from the ghost of a rank bar protrusion, whether or not they are wearing armor I feel is irrelevant. There are already three solid examples to make the case that Imperial Army Officers on Mimban wore the chest armor over their uniform.




Screenshot 4 - This image is of Imperial Officers on Jedha from Rogue One. It is included to provide a good lighting shot of the Imperial Officer trench coat, as well as to provide an example of one being worn belted and one being worn without a belt.


I welcome any discussion on this proposal, as well as if anyone has the ability to scroll through the Blu-Ray and upload better screen grabs. Mine were taken from 1080 YouTube clips and I feel like they could be better. I have also not tried to doctor them - so if anyone is good at that and can make some of those hidden details pop I would appreciate it.

Thank you and I stand by to answer any questions!


 

There are multiple Etsy shops carrying rain ponchos - but the shop that has been linked here has both coats and ponchos.


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Ponchos aren't an option for Line Officers.
Coats are good to go though!

May I suggest for this and other Imperial trench coats that the type of sleeve cut be added?  The trench coats all have the raglan style sleeves.  This added to the description of having the sleeves having a seem going all the way to the collar, would help clarify and help those seeking the correct type of sewing pattern.

Also - just to clear up any potential confusion:

The guy in the green uniform and trench coat is the Major - the guy wearing the black uniform Staff Officer is supposed to be Commander Xodell.
The caption doesn't match the order they are standing in.

He’s not - and I don’t really consider either of those images a good reference for this purpose - neither of them are wearing armor in this picture - they are just in standard uniforms with trench coats.
 
I also don’t recall the Commander on screen or being mentioned in the novel - I’d have to skim it again though to be sure.
 
 
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I do believe the CRL should be opened up for any Solo appropriate rank, and have the Lieutenant rank as a L2 or L3 bonus.

There is precedence for this with the AT-AT commander CRL, which at L1 allows for any rank, even though we only ever see General Veers on screen. The higher levels require a General Rank.


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Also - just to clear up any potential confusion:

The guy in the green uniform and trench coat is the Major - the guy wearing the black uniform Staff Officer is supposed to be Commander Xodell.
The caption doesn't match the order they are standing in.