Daetrin

To rif on this question, considering that Facebook is not available in several countries the Legion is in, how would you address the needs of those users?  You will also need to have 3 layers of security, as there are 3 layers of forum access, or more if you include staff.
 
The fact that Facebook is not accessible by all Legion members would - unless I'm missing something - prevent it's use for the purpose you suggest.  Or am I missing something?
 
Sorry, but it's not clear to me how a closed FB group solves the issue of CRL's not getting completed.  For instance how would it solve pictures not being submitted?  How would it solve faster approval via the LMO team?
 
 

To rif on this question, considering that Facebook is not available in several countries the Legion is in, how would you address the needs of those users?  You will also need to have 3 layers of security, as there are 3 layers of forum access, or more if you include staff.
 
The fact that Facebook is not accessible by all Legion members would - unless I'm missing something - prevent it's use for the purpose you suggest.  Or am I missing something?
 
Sorry, but it's not clear to me how a closed FB group solves the issue of CRL's not getting completed.  For instance how would it solve pictures not being submitted?  How would it solve faster approval via the LMO team?
 
 

Question for Robert Barker: you have like 15 posts on this forum.  What is your reason for wanting to be DL of a detachment you barely visit?
 
Question for Roby Lyth: in your time at IOC, what would you say are your most significant contributions?

Question for Robert Barker: you have like 15 posts on this forum.  What is your reason for wanting to be DL of a detachment you barely visit?
 
Question for Roby Lyth: in your time at IOC, what would you say are your most significant contributions?

Question for Robert Barker: you have like 15 posts on this forum.  What is your reason for wanting to be DL of a detachment you barely visit?
 
Question for Roby Lyth: in your time at IOC, what would you say are your most significant contributions?

Personally I think you look GREAT!  Considering that elections are in progress, there will be no decision made until after the 16th when they close, as everyone is focused on that now and who knows who the next DL & LMO will be, especially considering that IOC has multiple people running for DL's.
 
I hate to say this as I know it's frustrating to wait, but I'd advise a little patience.  What can you do until then?
 
1. Ensure the wording is ready to go.
2. Ensure that photos of each item in high resolution against a neutral background are ready go to.
 
The more you can make this "shovel ready" for the new DL & LMO, the faster it will go. 
 
Does that make sense?
 
BTW, did I mention you look GREAT!

The reality is that it has to be driven by the DL.  Maybe spam BJ's inbox, but he or his designee has to take this to the LMO.  Also too, you need pictures in ASAP.  You can get the text in, but then it will need LMO review until you get all the pictures squared away and the GML's can do local approvals.
 
Lastly, you need one exemplar (person) to be submitted as the CRL model.
 
But mainly, it's in BJ's court now, the CRL is way ahead of where it could be and should be a good basis point.

The reality is that it has to be driven by the DL.  Maybe spam BJ's inbox, but he or his designee has to take this to the LMO.  Also too, you need pictures in ASAP.  You can get the text in, but then it will need LMO review until you get all the pictures squared away and the GML's can do local approvals.
 
Lastly, you need one exemplar (person) to be submitted as the CRL model.
 
But mainly, it's in BJ's court now, the CRL is way ahead of where it could be and should be a good basis point.

Do you have a photo?  When I look at the screen grab, their uniforms look green to me.

Yeah, they look like line officers with a black version of Krennic's raincoat.
 
My crystal ball says once the raincoat pattern is stabilized and someone makes a black version, it will just become an option for the line officer CRL.

Do you have a photo?  When I look at the screen grab, their uniforms look green to me.

From what I can see, there are two items:
 
1. Black rain coat in the same pattern (or highly similar) as Krennic wore, by the line (olive) officers in the rain scene.
2. Olive officer's trench coat on Jeddha that Wombat posted.
 
Those would be canon options, however nothing says you can't replicate a WWII pattern for conventions, etc. that are non-canon.
 
Unless I'm totally blind, that is.

Kalani brings up some good points.  There are a lot of CS (cosplaysky) folks out there and that are 501st, so saying "don't do it" is a bit over the top.
 
However we would be remiss without clearly calling out the caveats.  Most people (at least in my garrison) do need further tailoring to get it to fit right, which is an extra cost.
 
Secondly, the jodhpur flares are not really done well, and at least as a GML nearly every applicant I've seen both in my own garrison and here on IOC has had to have them reworked to some degree.
 
Are these points egregious to say don't order from them?  Certainly not, however before buying you should be aware that ordering online doesn't mean perfect fit when it arrives or that it may not need work. 
 
For a secondary costume cosplaysky and other vendors like cosdaddy can be perfectly acceptable, but they will not look or be as high quality as having a custom made ID done with better fabric.  They again, they don't cost as much either!

But we have an officer with a six shooter and a cape, and a badass white tunic.

IPB would be perfect to make good ones.  They did the same with TFA TK gloves and pretty quickly the original ones sent out with ANOVOS were replaced.  For sure if they are more than just Krennic they will produce them.  Good point!  I'll ping IPB today..

Hey everyone – I think it’s time to step back and clarify a few things. I don’t see this as a debate, just a discussion, as we are all on the same side.  If it’s not clear, I’m actually pro-accuracy and I think my track record working with CRLs in this detachment stands on its own.  Anyone who remembers how the CRLs looked before BJ & I re-wrote them wholesale knows what I mean.
 
However what I do want to ensure is that there is a logical process applied.  It’s highly inefficient to not have standard language and components on CRLs, as everyone has ideas but putting the time in to keep them all consistent is not practical.  Secondly, the vision from BJ who has been the DL for many a year since these were last rewritten was to ensure that common items like boots, rank bars, etc. are consistent in accuracy levels across all IOC costumes.
 
A case in point is code cylinders/dosimeters.  There is a staff discussion to no longer allow chalk holders for them. At the time the CRLs were last written getting accurate code cylinders was hard or expensive or both.  Allowing modified chalk holders was a good solution until better items became more widely available.  Now is the time to make that move, but we need to ensure we are able to communicate this out effectively.  One needs a plan such as:
 
Write up what the new standard is.
Show a comparison between the old and new, and where the old is deficient.
Get the proposal passed by DL/LMO
Publish out to the GMLs in the Legion what the change is
 
It’s not effective change management to simply declare a change and fumble through the rollout.  When we made the change to have only accurate x-wing tools for crewman costumes, there was a lot of work behind the scenes to map this all out, and then we – that is me – had to run through every CRL to clean things up. 
 
So with rank bars, the logic makes sense to up the accuracy at this point in time based on what I’m reading, but what is missing is a clear summary of 1) what the problem is with the current standard 2) what the solution is 3) impact on current/future members and 4) clear language that will accompany the CRLs.
 
A picture is worth 1000 words and having side by side pictures with notes can remove much of the confusion and uncertainty of what people describe, as it’s not practical to assume that every GML who will read the change understands the terms, vendors, etc.  Or even rank and file 501st members.
 
Krennic for sure is a “face” character just like Tarkin is, so you are right in that regard.  However the standards for Krennic should be in line for what we use with Tarkin, Daala, and other face characters in the detachment is all.
 
If I seem to harp on these points, it’s because I’m looking at it from the point of view of a GML who may not visit the detachment often.  Also, I’d like to ask no private PM’s.  IF there is a good visual showing the difference between the current low standard rank bars and the correct ones, just post it for all to see, as well at least one or two easy to access vendors.  If it looks good, we can make this change across *all* IOC CRLs, which is a better way to go about it.

Actually that's not quite right.  The Legion has ever been about as accurate as we can get, spare no expense.  AP suits were available back in 2005 when I started, but it took years and years for the Legion to get to where the FX helmet was not allowable, and the FX suit was not allowable unless modifications were made.
 
We have known for a very long time that Tupperware back packs were not accurate either, but it was only until more accurate parts became easily obtainable that the CRL standards were updated to reflect them for the sandtrooper. 
 
As someone who has written and re-written dozens of CRL entries over 10 years across 3 different detachments, I realize that we can't please everyone with the process.  I also realize that some garrisons really want to push the accuracy bar, and others resist every step of the way, but the reality is that we are a worldwide group and some things just take time to achieve.
 
You may think we don't go far enough, others think we push it too far.  We have to find a common ground that works for everyone, whether they are the super trooper who does dozens of troops a year and will spend top dollar on their kit, and also the person who just wants a good-enough backup costume.
 
Lastly, prop replication != screen accuracy.  Especially in the OT. Else we'd have to support all manner of costume flubs, which I don't think anyone wants to do (unless they are on RPF ).
 
In the end, detachments simply make recommendations.  The final call will be at the DL/LMO level.

You are missing the point Kris.  This is not unique costume like a Vader, Boba Fett, etc. where your logic may make sense.  No one is saying it "should be cheap", but having standards for these types of characters that are unusually expensive isn't what the 501st is about either. 
 
Else we wouldn't have L1/L2/L3 standards, and every Legion TK would have to meet Centurion.

You are missing the point Kris.  This is not unique costume like a Vader, Boba Fett, etc. where your logic may make sense.  No one is saying it "should be cheap", but having standards for these types of characters that are unusually expensive isn't what the 501st is about either. 
 
Else we wouldn't have L1/L2/L3 standards, and every Legion TK would have to meet Centurion.

Guys - just remember that L1 is basic acceptance and isn't meant to be perfect screen accuracy or prop replication.  Also, when BJ & I did the IOC CRLs, we were very careful to do a lot of standardization on common parts like rank bars, boots, etc. for numerous reasons.  So, let's focus on the main parts for now.   L1 should not be perfection - it should be a pretty good representation of the character at a reasonable cost/level of effort that is consistent with other L1 costumes in IOC.

Guys - just remember that L1 is basic acceptance and isn't meant to be perfect screen accuracy or prop replication.  Also, when BJ & I did the IOC CRLs, we were very careful to do a lot of standardization on common parts like rank bars, boots, etc. for numerous reasons.  So, let's focus on the main parts for now.   L1 should not be perfection - it should be a pretty good representation of the character at a reasonable cost/level of effort that is consistent with other L1 costumes in IOC.

Awesome!  I wonder if they are the same pattern, just in black? I hope so, it will make the CRL's easier.  Also, will give us black officers a nice accessory.

Kalani brings up some good points.  There are a lot of CS (cosplaysky) folks out there and that are 501st, so saying "don't do it" is a bit over the top.
 
However we would be remiss without clearly calling out the caveats.  Most people (at least in my garrison) do need further tailoring to get it to fit right, which is an extra cost.
 
Secondly, the jodhpur flares are not really done well, and at least as a GML nearly every applicant I've seen both in my own garrison and here on IOC has had to have them reworked to some degree.
 
Are these points egregious to say don't order from them?  Certainly not, however before buying you should be aware that ordering online doesn't mean perfect fit when it arrives or that it may not need work. 
 
For a secondary costume cosplaysky and other vendors like cosdaddy can be perfectly acceptable, but they will not look or be as high quality as having a custom made ID done with better fabric.  They again, they don't cost as much either!

What it means is:
 
The guy behind StarFortress is a wanted child molester in the US, so don't buy from him.
 
Other sellers on Ebay are like any other seller on Ebay.
 
Does that make sense?

Voted - sure like the 2nd meself. Go coded transmissions!