GDMorti
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Hello hello!
Something caught my eye in an ongoing staff officer build thread, and it was suggested that a CRL discussion thread be created to spin the conversation away from the poor OP's thread:
As a person extremely interested in building a staff officer in the future (I'm a sucker for black uniforms <3) and who'd wanted a captain or lieutenant plaque (purely because they're visually interesting to me) I'm... disappointed to find out that this wouldn't be possible? And I'm struggling to understand particularly why? It's a fairly dramatic change and one which I'm sure the general public won't particularly care about.
A call to action then! I'm fairly new to posting here regularly, so if there was previous discussion here, can those threads be linked so I can read the history behind this decision? I also appreciate that this appears to be a controversial and possibly overdone topic, and I do apologise if I'm dragging the old bones back up to pick over, but I'd honestly appreciate an explanation with refs and reasonings. I had my heart set on my two-line rank plaque!
Thankyou in advance!
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Joey you're a gift! <3 Thankyou!
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I -love- these ponchos and have been following your work with these on Facebook for ages Joey, they're fabulous! Thankyou for posting these resources, can't wait to get started on my own after I finish my standard Krennic.
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18 minutes ago, Rhaethe said:
Hey
It was announced in Announcements, I believe and announced the additions as well as textual clarifications.
I would hazard a guess that it would be easier for you to subscribe to Announcement forum maybe?
I am not aware that all the discussion concerning it happened in this thread, but will trust you on that if you say it did
As for a changelog for this specific CRL, I can tell you that it got a language overhaul that did not change most of the substance, per se`, but made the intent clearer (hopefully), particularly around the cape specs. Modesty panel acceptable but no longer required. What and exactly how many fasteners people use to fasten the cape to the shoulders is no longer specified. The belt may hang, but isn't required to hang. Exactly how many panels or sections the cape has is no longer specified/required. Those are the big things I remember off the top of my head, outside of the accessory and flashback additions.
Aha! Yes I think there are gonna be a few additions to the "email me!" list haha! I'm slowly getting the hang of this place.
True not all of the discussion (dont take my word for it lol!), but a big chunk of it! Again I struggled to keep up with things here (and arrived late to the game!)
I think that's one of the biggest peeves with the CRL, the wording and language were off, misleading, confusing. It's SO MUCH clearer now, sizes in approximations, a lot of the unknown "exacts" are gone. Definitely a change for the better, this one. <3 -
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Evening all
I noticed that it appears Krennic has been completely updated, including not just his raincoat configuration, but Commander. Which is great!
I'm a bit concerned that it wasn't announced on this thread? I honestly struggle to keep up with all the various areas that CRL's and their respective updates are tracked on this forum... I mean, yay that it was updated? I can finally start my build soon! But I have reply notifications turned on for -this- thread, and all the discussion I believe went on in here, it would have been cool to get a quick "it's live!" notification.
Not that I don't appreciate the update!
Would it be possible to get a "here's what changed" sort of "patch-notes" for the CRL? It'd be nice to see what this thread achieved! Along with the obvious two new configs.
Thank you! <3
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A heads up to everyone looking for a cog pin for L3, Endorfinders does accurate pins and they're a bargain tbh: https://www.endorfinders.com/costume-accessories/1-krennic-hat-disc-lapel
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On 19/09/2017 at 2:54 PM, Rhaethe said:
As per the update posted here : http://www.imperialofficer.com/forum/index.php?/topic/8723-rebels-thrawn-crl-pics/&page=2#comment-112880
And yes, I am still sick.
2 weeks of insomnia, antibiotics and feeling-like-ass is no fun. However. Pictures have been processed, and the CRL was sent over to the head LMO for final review and publication. No timeline on that, as he is overseas on business at the moment.
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Gotcha! Thanks for the update.
It's tricky keeping up with all of the threads this CRL is spread out over. Hoping for results back from the LMO's soon! And hope you're feeling better soon too, doesn't sound fun at all. :c Thanks for all your work on this so far!
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Hello hello!
Popping my head in here as I believe there was to be no CRL discussion on the newer thread regarding the Rebels Thrawn CRL. I don't suppose someone could give us an update as to what is currently happening here?
There's a few peeps wanting to build Rebels Thrawns I daresay! I know there has been a lot of work put into this CRL, getting it spot-on and as accurate as possible, but things seem to have slowed down now. Any reasons for this? Or are we just at finishing touches stage? Any word appreciated! 
-Morti
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Evening all!
So Krennic is next on my Hitlist. I made a version last year for Rogue One's launch but tbh it's pretty sub-par, nowhere near good enough for submission. So! I'm poking my nose in here since I want to build a costume soon, but dont want the CRL to change into something weird that I disagree with in terms of accuracy but would render my build technically unclearable. I'm gonna chip in on a few points people have discussed since I honestly think a TON of good work has been done here and I initially looked at a six page amendment thread with a lot of anxiety, but you guys all seem to be picking up on a load of things I had issue with (mostly wording issues, sizing/scaling issues) and a few I'd not even noticed but agree with fully!
Aight here I go (this is really wordy but I'm trying to summarise 6 pages so bear with):
- SCALING ISSUES. Specifying X should be Ycm or inches tall is a real struggle. Yes you can stipulate that GML's "should know what they're doing" and should be able to advise this, or clear someone with an "incorrectly sized" costume component, judging by scale and how it looks/sits on the costumer. But a costumer, especially someone who isnt' super savvy with the clearance process, hasn't worked with GML's before, and DOUBLE ESPECIALLY if they are not making their costume and have it commissioned, will not necessarily know this. Or they may not feel comfortable with scaling it so that it looks/sits/feels right, as it would be "breaking from the CRL". Also a GML might not catch this in time if a costumer commissions or makes it, and doesn't post a billion tiny updates in a WIP thread etc. If a CRL says something -specifically-, it's going to cause issues like this. And GML's, LMO's, armourers, advisors, friends etc all saying "oh just scale it, the CRL just says be specific for [whatever reason]" calls into question the point of a CRL? This is specified but just ignore it if it doesnt apply to you? The suggestion of a percentage I read about, is a good idea, but what about a reference to where the costume part should reach on a person? Nobody will have the same size neck, but surely we can all agree that everyone -has- a neck. "Collar should reach just under/half-way up the neck" or something like that, is a fairly solid guideline? Anyone judging the costume, savvy or not with the character, can check the CRL, check the reference photos, and then judge the costumer accordingly. A costumer can supply their neck measurements to a seamstress, and specify "halfway up" or whatever, and a good seamstress can do the rest. AND then a GML has a solid point of reference on the CRL that nobody can debate, if a collar is too high, etc. "It says halfway but yours is at your jawline, mate".. etc.
- Closures/fastenings - Specifying a type of closure = no. Specifying the number of closures = no. Specifying how the cape is attached = no. Specifying HOW the tunic should look when worn (no visible closures, should lie smooth and flat against the front of the wearer, etc etc) = yes. Specifying how the cape should hang and lie against the shoulders of the wearer = yes. How people go about this is entirely up to them. If it looks the part, GML's can clear. If the costumer finds out later that their chosen fastenings etc don't functionally work because someone stands on their cape or the wind pulls it off, thats up to them to sort out sadly. People can discuss the methods they used, how they look AND how they function as part of WIP builds, and people can use whichever they like, but its not really the CRL's place to specify. UNLESS screen-used costume knowledge is in play. In which case, I demand a full spec and how-to, lmao! If a submission has used two earth magnets for their cape or 20 plastic buttons. 4 metal snaps for their tunic or 12 plastic ones. Who cares, if their submission pics look the biz!
SIDENOTE: I forget if this was mentioned, but since there is documented proof of FOUR hook eye closures for the collar, why is this not specified, if not a higher level clearance? We can see -and- count those, AND have a good idea exactly what they are (my money is on white hook and eye closures, like bra closures) so include them! (Also a modesty panel would not cover the closures HOWEVER would cover the throat/skin beneath. I'm entirely undecided on whether or not this exists so am willing to leave this to better persons than I to debate/decide, or happy to leave this optional. "...can include a modesty panel" etc.)
- WORDING ISSUES. This CRL doesn't know which way it's coming or going in places. It's been pointed out several times that it states one thing, and then goes on to contradict itself. PLEASE sort this out! Figuring out a basis for scaling will help a -lot- here. As well as scaling contradictions, the boots were brought up. While I agree entirely with "keeping them free of additional decoration" etc. to avoid people getting incorrect boots through via a loophole... Where is the harm in adding a line "unless the boot has adjustable calf strap, see level 3 below" (with better wording obv). While yes you'd like to think most people will have the common sense to read that part, and then know if they've found a holy grail level 3 clearance boot, therefore NOT chopping that part off.... you can never be sure.
- "The Great Cape Discourse". This one was giving me The Fear. My first draft at a cape was entirely off my own back (lol) with no pattern short of the figures and my own flailing incompetence. I'm not a professional, by any stretch. It was... ok? But not a pretty picture, and I'm going to start from scratch again for Krennic V3. The wording for the cape on the CRL is a bit of a disaster. It's confusing and really vague, which is not great when it's a super specific and statement piece of the costume. You think "Krennic", you think "cape". Meg's work in this thread was -amazing- and I'm kind of bummed that photobucket has eaten those two photos of her mockup. I'm entirely confident that this can all be re-worded in order for it to make sense, and to include, where necessary, relevant accurate sewing terms for all the fruity areas. I'm not one to want CRL's to get too technical, but to be honest if you're looking to tackle Krennic and you either don't know some technical terms or aren't willing to google them and learn? It's probably too complicated a costume for you to make yourself? I also cant wait to see Mike's amended diagrams, if they're still pending? (Might have missed them.) His Krennic in person is phenomenal and I have to resist getting my hands all over that cape.
I just have many Cape Feelings you guys. <3 I don't think I can bring anything more to the table that hasn't been covered, BUT I dont see anything i necessarily disagree with? OH! Except that the rear split should start at the bottom of the butt (lol). I am fully team #belowthebutt. Looking at the footage of Krennic striding through the sea in the teaser (why wasnt this shot in the movie?!) is obvious that it's higher than his knee, but not any higher than his ass. A modest length to avoid showing ass. As for the seam at the shoulder... I entirely accept that many capes were used so who knows whats going on there, and which screenshots/photos are the best examples. I propose either a seamline -OR- a line of topstitching be approvable, WITH THE PROVISO that the cape sits and fits correctly. A bit like the closures, let people do what they want, so long as a line of -something- is there, and it doesnt affect the cape visually in a negative way. A lot of this stuff is common sense, unless we -know- something is constructed a certain way, we have to guess. I see absolutely no harm in either seam/topstitching so long as it doesnt fudge the cut of the cape.
- Raincoat Krennic - I'd personally like this to be a separate CRL? It's such a massive piece of work that I feel it should be recognised as its own costume change? You're losing the tunic, the cape. Gaining a fully bespoke new tunic made of an entirely different material with integrated cape of a whole new design. Plus a hat with its own specs. He never wears hat without the raincoat I don't think? So making raincoat&hat an optional extra but exclusive to each other looks like a massive faff. Just do another CRL. XD Most of the work is done, but you get plenty of room to wax lyrical about the raincoat, plus you can specify a hat as a non-optional accessory. (I also think that this thread is bogged down enough as it is without discussing Raincoat Krennic, ergo new CRL so we can do another CRL thread if necessary!)
- Code Cylinders - can I ask why modified chalk holders are not acceptable? Tarkin and Line Officer (Olive) CRL's permit them, however Krennic's require specifically replica or real dosimeters? Seems a bit harsh? A hard and fast rule for all those with code cylinders, either permit or deny across the board imo. Agree with brass clip as higher level.
- Can I ask why, as a face character, "costumer facial appearance must match that of the character" has not been specified? Personally, I'm all for it NOT being specified! Who can honestly do anything about how their face looks? And the 501st, as far as I know, have never denied a costumer a face-character because "they dont look like the actor" or whatever. Attempts can be made to look -more like- the character. Age makeup or contouring to achieve a closer appearance. I only highlight this, because the Hux CRL states "Facial appearance must closely match General Hux..." which I think is a load of rubbish, and should be removed... As with code cylinders, either all face characters or not at all. And I personally prefer how Krennic's is written to not include this line, because it's redundant. (Tarkin's doesnt include such a wishywashy line either, but specifies hair and makeup requirements, which I agree with as key parts of Tarkin's "look". Level two specifying "looking like Kushing" is pretty ridiculous but thats a discussion for another time.. can you imagine that spec being put on all face characters' higher levels???)
Sorry for the wall of text! I'm going to be watching this one like a hawk and hoping that CRL amends can come through and be settled soon so I don't have to worry about it during my impending build. :S Wish me luck! <3
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Just chiming in for a couple things:
1. To echo Tentayena's words up there somewhat... not only am I hella new to the 501st I'm also very new to the IOC and even NEWER to the Thrawn fandom and Rebels, so I completely missed the initial discussion around his CRL. But now I have all this ~passion~ to see him done justice, as he's rapidly become a favourite character. So yes, I missed the boat by a lot, and didn't weigh in the first time, but the fact that a fairly new-to-the-party fan such as myself could see so many issues with the CRL goes to show that there -were- issues there. It's not really like not voting and then complaining afterwards, because unlike a presidency, we're not locked into or stuck with the winner for four years. It's all subject to change, as proven!
2. Despite the uh... volatile reception and resulting issues following the CRL release, I'd like to commend various LMO's for taking responsibility and for giving us all the chance to make it work. TRUE we might still get new Thrawn/Rebels fans, new IOC/501st members later on with -further- changes and issues, but as mentioned, CRL's are fluid and open to change so even then there might be changes. Which is great! The openness to change and go back to re-address the situation to ensure accuracy is a brilliant attitude and drives us all to be the best we can be.
3. I agree with all of the proposed alterations mentioned above, so don't really have much to add other than "I second these things", but I consider my hat thrown into the ring. I look forward to the new draft CRL and to all of the resulting Thrawns who emerge after it goes live, after having been able to follow a CRL with (hopefully!) less controversy and concern over accuracy.
Much love. <3
- rattleandburn, Speigel and Tentayena
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Ok awesome, I didn't even consider the waist seam! And yeah it's a great base to make alterations to. I'm about 5'5'' so it'll need trimming down! Thanks for clearing that up. I think I've pieced together the rest of the construction from what you've posted already. However the yoke attachment and fastenings are still a little fuzzy for me. I presume it goes on like a jacket and the yoke crosses over the right breast facing to close at the right shoulder? I imagine other hidden fastenings too down the yoke edge. Thanks for all your help so far!
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Anyone else getting confused about the scale of this pattern? I'm working on the basis of each of the squares on the grid of the pattern photos being an inch and my back section including princess seams is MASSIVE. Like from my neck to my knees in length, this can't be right? :s
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Can't wait to see more of this tutorial! Pattern pieces with a walkthrough? This is the best
Staff Officer rank bars
in CRL Updates
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Oof! Went for some dinner and came back to a bunch of posts!
If we limit a very popular and widely known costume in this fashion via rank bar, when content outside of the 3 OT movies exists, it just doesn't seem to have much in the way of grounds to do so.
Legends Thrawn exists, and remains, despite being "non canon" and never appearing in the OT movies.
Ysanne Isard exists as a popular character in the comics, and while there is debate over her rank bars and the style/cut of her pants, she never appears either and yet I see more and more Ysanne builds popping up as time goes on. Not a sniff of her in the OT movies.
It's an extremely blinkered and strange view to tie down a detail like this, on the grounds of "OT only", and yet entire character CRL's exist for non OT, or non moviecanon characters. At least I think so anyway!
Like, we don't even need to use "logical extrapolation" as reasoning behind double bar rank plaques on black uniforms. They exist in both the videogames and the comics. If the "three references" litmus test applies, pretty sure we've got that covered here?
And sure if someone wanted to specifically make an OT Staff Officer, they are perfectly within their rights to limit themselves to a single bar plaque!