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I'm a sucker for a crisp uniform. <3
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The fabric you've found for this is awesome Joey! I think perhaps the pants are just a tad too big though? I love how Krennic-y the design is.
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Thankyou!
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6 minutes ago, rattleandburn said:
^Also a very good option.
I am all for keeping the current CRL is that is everyone's preference, and pretty much copy-pasted that into a new 'generic' without the helmet, or maybe 'Officer cadet' as all those pictured for the comic are in the academy for officer program. Either works, but considering the large amount of evidence, one of those options must be put forward.
Officer Cadet would be cool if we can't alter the existing CRL? They're def all officers in the comics that we can see, training together, so we won't step on anyone elses toes then?
Could potentially look at the black "belt" or "jacket bottom" thing a little harder, since there is artwork in the Thrawn comic where Eli and Thrawn get given their uniforms and the thick black strip described as the bottom of the jackets in the current CRL, isn't there. Also when Thrawn gets roughed up (spoilers lol?) the jacket part bags out over the black part a fair bit. I'm highly suspecting it's actually a belt? The front of the design even looks like a buckle..
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I'd guess something along the lines of: They were never intended to be worn for longer than this specific scene, at parade rest. I bet nobody thought they'd be put under this level of scrutiny. XD
The greatcoat alone, when worn like a cape, is a complete nightmare to move around in, it keeps wanting to slide off the shoulders. And the greatcoat is a firmer/sturdier fabric and has shaped shoulder caps with fitted shoulderpads. I'd guess that for the cape to be trooped in regularly, if you weren't holding it down when you moved to prevent it sliding off (I have to do this when I do the stupid Greatcoat-Over-Shoulders cape look) you'd need some kind of fastener? -
1 hour ago, buckrogersbarker said:
I am going to be jumping on this one soon, and doing it this way would be so much better
Yeah I mean obviously a GML with any sense would just allow any hidden closure. You never see a closure on the foldover tunics so go with what sits subtly and holds well. But if a GML was to get nitpicky and require hook and eye closures, that would potentially sit really awkwardly, not hold very well, pull strangely...
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1 minute ago, nocternus said:
Arm openings?
Yeah, like if they have any at all. If there is any allowance for the officer wearing it to raise his arms and do stuff while wearing the cloak, or if it's completely sealed on the sides and draped so that the officer would need to use the front to handle anything etc.
I appreciate that sealed sides is probably the case, the front being the only opening? These things were only designed to be worn when stood at parade rest or stood to attention, they'd probably fall off if not secured in place when worn on a troop etc. XD -
I never doubted others were wearing the cloaks. I'm pretty sure there were some grey uniforms wearing them in the shots of the audience too, I'd need to go dig those pics out since I found them/was shown them aaaages ago.
I was more saying that, as and when we get more information about that cloak itself, how it is made, how the arm openings work, what it looks like from the back... it -should- be an optional extra for all confirmed uniforms seen wearing it. I would imagine that it would extend to everyone, possibly even Generals.(There is a chap who runs the con circuit in the UK who has played a FO Trooper and a FO General in the speech scene. At least that's what his CV says! Proving there were other Generals in attendance. I'm unsure if he wore the cape or the coat though. Worth a dig. :D)
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Hi guys
Please can the closure information for all current First Order tunic CRLs be looked at when possible? Just a few small wording amendments.
Lieutenant/Captain/General/Hux - Can "Buck" clasps be replaced with the correct word "Busk"? "Buck clasp" is a typo from what I can tell. Technically, they should just be hook and eye closures, and not busk at all. If you google busk, it's very difficult to understand what exactly you need to use for these uniforms. If we want to get super technical, "Wide hook and eye closures" will bring up the most accurate results if googled without needing to specify sizes, brands etc.
Major/Colonel - As this is so reminiscent of the Imperial tunics, is there no reason why hidden snaps could not be used here? It's a foldover tunic, hook and eyes would probably be unhelpful. Use of hook and eyes were not mentioned in the submitted CRL draft, only that closures, whatever they were, be hidden. The CRL tunic actually uses snaps, too
The closures on LT/Cap/Gen/Hux are super specific and really important to the look, they're seen on screen so many times, so I think any and all help we can give makers and GML's in "what is correct" will be very beneficial. As for the blue uniforms, specifying hook and eyes is incorrect and unhelpful, when they should be using hidden snaps I would imagine. Placement and number is entirely at the whim of the builder so long as they're hidden, much like all the other foldover tunics should be.
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2 minutes ago, nocternus said:
And not all of those in the background of the Hux speech were wearing black uniforms
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Aye, if we can get more info on that cloak in future, it could be a neat little optional extra for all officers or colourways spotted wearing it.
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18 minutes ago, Hux said:
Alright. If other guys besides admirals are wearing this suit (as seen in the photo I posted) why are we calling it an admiral.
I am assuming some confusion will be cleared by calling it something else.
If you call it first order Admiral, only first order Admirals can wear it.
Rename it something like
'Flat Front Fold Over Officer'
-with optional ranks that are appropriate to the character.
It's the same tailoring for all these guys. Rename it. ^.-
Fair points!
I don't know how tricky it is to rename a CRL after publication? Would it not be possible to amend the title once we find out who that chap Kylo is talking to ("prepare my ship" scene) is supposed to be? Like, what rank?
EDIT: and as further ranks are confirmed as wearing the black fold over uniform, we could add more, with specific rank bar amendments such as the Lt/Cap and Major/Col -
As the most recent FO CRL, Hux's has the most up to date language and terms, so should probably be the base for all FO going forward.
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20 minutes ago, Angelus said:
The question it is going to be:
On one of the WIP pictures in here, I have done a pants that is like the TLJ's (I did it as a back up as I did guess early on that the design of the pants will be closer to colonel/major.)
As what we know so far there is Admiral and General rank were seen on that design outfit and color.
The cape can be an Optional Accessories - TFA.
How will it be title? As there is a title under as ID - Imperial Officer: First Order General on what we all know.
I'd imagine similar to the Lieutenant/Cap and the Major/Col: First Order Admiral
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If we can get a definitive, visual couple of references for the Admiral pants, I'd be totally fine and happy with following the lead of the Major with regards to how the black Admiral tunic goes together. The shot of the actor in the tunic with its red double-bands is super useful, even if the fit of the thing looks godawful!
It's the cape that gives me concerns. Without enough solid refs I'm just really uncomfortable including it at all. Should we get more in the future, then -absolutely- add it into a CRL if one exists by then.
I'm more keen on getting "An Admiral" CRL out there and making the base uniform correct and available to everyone, than worrying too much about the cloak, which can always be added later on if more information and visual references arise. If we can nail down those pants!
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Optional hats sounds good! I'm loving the Thrawn comic and cadets without hats is prolific, rather than just a one off here and there.
And lets face it, a very large majority of cadet costumers are prooooobably going to pick up a helmet at some point in their cadet careers so they can have a more complete costume or more versatility (the option of a full face helmet when you cant be bothered with doing your hair/having a bad skin day?? I'm jealous!)
Making this thing optional makes for a really cool costume and makes it far more accessible for those who cant afford a lid -right now-. -
The guy at the elevator when Finn and DJ etc get off? I thought he was an admiral too. Would need confirmation on that rank bar set. It's a double, whatever it is, so that's promising.
Roger.
Aye on the cape/back ref I agree. Perhaps in this case just waiting a blu-ray may be smart. I think that the front is clear enough.
I did some digging and found these images. Is this one??
No wraps on those pants though I don't think.
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5 minutes ago, Hux said:
Hello all. I have read over all that has been presented.
Question: We do not have a back reference for this costume right? This costumes CRL would include the cape ONLY option right?
See thats whats confusing me. If we were aiming specifically for this look, as we know this one actor we're talking to and have pictures of was an Admiral in his own words and according to his rank bars, we only EVER see a "confirmed" Admiral, in this scene, with a cloak on.
I personally would think that the cloak was not part of the overall costume and was an addition for the outdoors speech scene. However, no screen ref for the Admiral looking any other way in TFA, so yeah I guess it would need to be required.
If we can wait like, a few weeks for the 4k TLJ Bluray to land, I'm almost certain there are admirals there? Or we stand more chance of seeing them to help put all of the pants debates and whether or not the tunic is supposed to fit that way, to rest? -
Yup, it seems to be linked to rank. For example the Captains and Majors seem to have them, didn't manage to spot them on any other ranks just yet. In addition, the Black Series FO Captain figure, and Finn in disguise (he is in a Captain uniform) have these tabs. The Hux figure for TLJ, does not. Unsure on Rose, if someone can confirm?
Waiting for the Bluray to come out to confirm further.
As @Tutanchseth says its -very- reminiscent of Krennic's boot tabs, along with the pointed jodhpur flares there are a lot of links to his costume in TLJ!
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Hux = "Space Weasley" or "General Weasley"
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I went from "forgetting fairly often that Solo was even happening" to "cautiously optimistic"!
I really enjoyed the apparent change of pace and tone, and the musical choices were very interesting! I also absolutely adore the casting decision for Lando, I think he's going to be perfect. Curious that I don't believe the Empire/Imperials to be the true villains of the piece, which actually makes something of a nice change? It's good to have some variety in the thing that we love. Plus I don't have to sit and tolerate scruffy rebels/nerf herders blowing uniforms and white kitchen appliances apart and feeling sad about it.
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I think "all sides should be the same length" is acceptable and allows for the patch to be as big or as small as required for the wearer, yet not look visually off by having squished sides etc.
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I very much love this costume. Heck, I just love all FO costumes, lets face it. I'd love nothing more than to see yet more FO CRL's hit the shelves.
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This costume is extremely lacking in visual reference. We've absolutely no idea how it looks from behind. We can -presume- it looks the same as the Majors? I'd accept that. We also have no idea about whats going on below the waist. We're -told- by the actor that Admirals, or at the very least he in that particular scene, wore the wrap around pants. Not the pointed flares which I'd put money on everyone assuming Admirals would wear due to the tunic matching the Major, so surely the pants would match too? Apparently not. This as a costume decision really just confuses me. I'm fairly certain that the waist-up shot of the actor in the uniform shows a very poorly fit costume. However, consider: You only see him in this costume for that one scene on the stage, and a big flappy cape thing is hiding 80% of that costume. Pin the tunic in place, pin that belt, have him stand a certain way and not move. Tada! Looks immaculate. Those capes are a very clever costume department trick of kitting out a sea of extras in a mishmash of costume pieces, and hiding whether or not they fit (possibly even whether or not they're wearing the right pants for the uniform!) under a shapeless cape.
Check out that audience, boost the colours. There are Lieutenants/Captains in grey, Majors/Colonels in teal, and further dudes in black. I think that some of them are wearing the cape? So the cape might not be a rank thing? I'd put money on that being a clever costume department trick to cover up inaccuracies and poorly fitted costumes for the extras who you will see for a split second in a big crowd scene. That's just an observation of course, but it's interesting to think about! EDIT: it also saves the poor costume department having to make woollen greatcoats for everyone BUT still captures the aesthetic of Hux's coat at a fraction of the material cost and time.
Then there's the cape itself. Which we see "sort of" from the front, and "sort of" from the back. No up close shots, no idea at all of the seams. What's it made of? Is it lined? How stiff exacly are those shoulder board thingies. If we have to squint really hard, blow up contrasts, if they aren't clear, then I would say it doesn't qualify as a solid enough reference. We have a small written description of the cape from the actor himself but again, I honestly think we'd need more than that.
In the past, CRL decisions have been made based on guess work, presumptions and "Logical extrapolation", and that got us in a world of mess. XD I'd accept that "logically" the seams on the black Admiral would very, very likely match those of the Major. So we can cross that off the list. We see in the waist-up shot of the actor in his costume, the rank bar on his arm. And he says he was playing an Admiral, and that's what the Admiral rank bar looks like in the book. That is, absolutely, categorically, an Admiral's tunic. I'm on the fence as to whether or not I accept that Admirals wear the wrap-around pants. If we're going on "logical" arguments, logically he SHOULD be in the pointy Major-style pants! What the actor tells us about the wrap pants defies logic! Honestly? I believe that to be a wardrobe issue, looking at the state of his belt, considering where exactly he stood in the speech scene, how much of the pants were visible. Costume team probably went: "How much does it matter that he's not wearing these pants, do we even want to make them in black?" You never see a decent close up shot of the Admirals in the same way you see the Majors, which I believe is the only reason Majors ever got their fancy blue pants with the pointy flares. They HAD to make them for those shots, so they did. I'm uncomfortable releasing a CRL when we've zero clear visual confirmation on what style of pants he's wearing, let alone what they look like re: seams and fabric etc. If the design followed the -logic- of the Majors, in that they were pointy flares, then the logic stream would flow that they were constructed the same. I'd accept that. Wraps? Throw me off completely. The cape is, I would say, clearly an optional accessory, and one which I believe could be opened up to ALL sub-General staff (unless we can see it on Generals in the crowd too?) but I'm absolutely not cool with releasing it until we have better confirmation on its design with more visuals to work from. In my eyes it reminds me a lot of when military staff have to go on parade but it's raining. So they're issued those silly little shower cap things to protect their hats. They all had to go and stand in the "quad" for the shouty ginger man to yell at them, pomp and circumstance, BEST UNIFORMS ON EVERYONE! But it's cold outside and so they were all issued these little cape thingies to keep them warm? XD Idk. I'm trying to rationalise Star Wars, never ends well.
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I still don't see why we can't use legitimate technical sewing terms for a specific thing, with perhaps elaboration in laymans terms for what said thing looks like. So that a GML or person who doesn't want to google the term can get the right effect/know what they're looking for, while those who know what they're doing or -do- want to google the right term and find 1000's of walkthroughs on youtube or wikihow etc, can do so?
"code cylinder pocket has a faintly visible seam just below the opening (cylinder pockets are one-sided piped pockets)" Best of both worlds. Literally no skin off anyone's nose. NOT too much information. People who want the technical term can have it. GML's who just want to know what X should look like, get their visual description.