GDMorti

Afternoon all!

After running this past the tailoring and First Order knowledge of @rattleandburn, @Tentayena and @DarkJedi, I think we're in a really solid place with this draft!
I took the CRL draft provided on  page three of this thread by @Tutanchseth and used it as a base to build on. A lot of the structure and highlighted changes were  highlighted there, so I elaborated, standardised where I could, and ensured the text was as accurate and technically correct/worded correctly as I could. @rattleandburn was a huge help there for technical wording.
While working on this draft, a few standardisation issues across all First Order officer CRL's either currently available or in the works were highlighted, but we can discuss those elsewhere.
Without further ado:
 
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First Order Major and Colonel CRL Draft:
 
 
Hair and facial appearance
For 501st approval:
 
If hair is worn short, it should not extend past the top of the collar at the back of the neck.
If hair is long, it should be neat and worn up in a military bun. Hair should also be kept neatly tied back away from the face.
Costumer is clean shaven.
If the costumer is wearing makeup, it should be subtle and appear “natural”.
 
Note: I’m adding apprarance guidelines for generic officers because I believe officers should be neat and tidy/presentable. Possible character specifics for Kaplan and Datoo have been given below for those looking to specifically portray those officers:
 
Colonel Datoo:
Costumer is clean shaven.
Very short, neat, greying (???) hair. Either the costumer’s own hair or a suitable hair appliance such as a wig.
 
Colonel Kaplan:
Costumer is clean shaven.
No visible hair, either through removal of costumer’s own hair or through suitable bald cap application.
 
Tunic, First Order Major, Teal
For 501st approval:
 
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants.
Fabric is a medium-dark blue with notable green tones similar to ‘peacock blue’ or specifically ‘blue teal’
Fabric is twill, gabardine style weave is most accurate.
Tunic is fitted to the wearer.
Tunic is double-breasted and has a left over right closure. It ends atop the right seam as seen in reference pictures. The fastenings for this closure should be completely hidden.
The top edge of the front closure continues downward from the left-hand side of the collar in a 45 degree angle across the upper chest where it fastens into place.
The collar is not separated from the front panels, nor the back, by a seam. The only seam is that which follows through from the shoulder seam to the neck, separating front and back of tunic.
Collar is draped so that it lies neatly against the neck, snugly fitting, with no noticeable bend or wrinkle. Overlap of collar portions is at a noticeable angle, forming a visible V-shape at the center throat - no rounded shape.
Sleeves are long, and without decoration, folded cuffs or buttons. A visible seam line separates the sleeve from the straight cuff portion, which is approximately 4.5 - 5.5”.
There are two vertical seams - straight princess seams - running the full length of the garment, on both front and rear of the tunic. These seams meet each other at the shoulder seam, approximately halfway between the neck and the sleeve seam.
Tunic has a waist seam spanning the full circumference of the waist, hidden by the belt.
The tunic does not feature epaulets, a center-back seam, nor a First Order insignia patch.
There should be no visible hems or top-stitching on the sleeves, collar, tunic opening or along the bottom of the tunic.  
For level two certification (if applicable):
Tunic is fully lined in a suitable colour.
 
Jodphur Trousers, First Order Major, Teal
For 501st approval:
 
Fabric is a light to medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic.
Flared jodhpurs have sharply pointed, semi-stiff flares in the hip/thigh area, below the tunic and above the knee. The shape of the flared pants at the thighs should be slightly rectangular as per reference images. This flare should follow the flare of the bottom of the tunic. This angle should not change.
Pockets and waist belts are acceptable, although should not be visible with the tunic on.
Stirrups may be attached to the leg bottoms to keep material tightly tucked into the boots
The fabric below the knee should remain fitted to the leg and tuck tightly into the boots.
             
Officer Boots, First Order, Black
For 501st approval:
 
Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material, with moderate to high-gloss shine.
Rubber rain boots or wellington boots are not acceptable.
PVC or synthetic material is allowed as long as it gives the appearance of leather.
There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration.
Boot seams must closely match screen-used boots.
Boots have conservative or no heels at all. Flat soles are most accurate.
If zippers are present, they appear on the inner part of the boot shaft only.
The toe of the boot is rounded, not in a square, rounded, or pointed style
The top of the boots are flat style, not Spanish, Cowboy, or Superhero.
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
Boots have a zipper on the inner shaft.
Soles are flat, similar to FO TK and TI soles.
Seams and design must match screen-used boots.         
 Gloves, First Order, Black
For 501st approval:
 
Gloves are constructed of a non-textured, black leather or leather-like material.
Enclosed fingers.
Gloves are gauntlet length, fitted, and worn underneath the sleeves.
No buckles, straps, etc.
Gloves may have stitching detail on the back of the palm similar to First Order Lieutenant for basic approval.
Belt, First Order
For 501st approval:
 
The belt is constructed from a black, non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
Approximately 2-2.5" in width, by 4.5-5” in length is acceptable. Belt band is not at all wider than buckle.
Belt must fit snugly over the natural waist of the wearer.
There are no loops on the belt.
No sizing holes should be visible.
The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal-looking material.
Buckle is free of decoration, greeblies or insignia.
Buckle is rectangular, with sharp-angled edges, approximately 5 1/4" (13.3 cm) long & 2 1/2 high (6.35 cm).
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
Belt is made of leather.
Buckle is made of a brushed metal such as aluminium.
Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.
Rank Insignia, First Order
For 501st approval:
 
Rank consists of one black band sewn down to the sleeve with white piped/embroidered edges at the top and bottom.
Aurebesh text dependant on rank is to be embroidered, hand sewn, or applied via vinyl transfer to the center of the band. The text options are:
“Tarkin” for Major
“Kaplan” for Colonel
Bar should be worn on the left side of arm, just above the wrist cuff seam and below the elbow.
It should be invisibly stitched down to the sleeve in full, or adhered securely using iron-on patch adhesive. The bar should not appear loose.
Major and Colonel costumes do not have a First Order emblem patch on their sleeves.
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
 
Aurebesh text is machine embroidered in white thread matching the edge piping/embroidery discussed above.
First Order Officer Hat, Teal
For 501st approval:
  The hat's brim is a black leather, or leather-like material protruding from the front bottom of the dome. It is slightly curved in shape and does not obscure the wearer's eyes.
The dome fits snugly on the head when worn and should cock slightly back like a baseball cap.
It is fitted to the head and does not cover the ears.
There is a tall flap which runs around the back of the hat, snugly fitting around the dome at the back and at both sides.
The flap piece is not higher than the dome of the hat, and does not overly flex outward. It is effectively vertical in respect to the rest of the hat, and when viewed from the side, it's edges are tilted slightly back at an angle.
The First Order emblem is centered in the front of the hat's dome. It is black and silver. The silver areas should have a metallic finish.
The hat is made of the same teal fabric as the tunic and pants, with suitable interfacing or buckram as to give it the correct shape and stiffness.
The dome has a subtly curved seam separating the front panel from rest of the hat, with a similar seam on the back section of the dome, with one vertical seam running down the dome's back.
For level two certification (if applicable):
First Order insignia is a silver/nickel metal pin with a slight brushed finish and black enamel paint. It should be centered in the front of the hat's dome. It is approx 1 1/2" wide & 1 3/4" tall.
The hat’s brim is leather. Its finish matches that seen in reference images.
Hat features topstitching on either side of seams on the side and back panels of the hat as well as on the panels at the seam where they meet the dome, but not upon the dome itself. The front dome features top-stitching only at the lower edge where it meets the brim.
Optional Accessories
Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below.
 Officer's Blaster, First Order
For 501st approval:
 
·        Based on a replica Glock 19 repeating pistol, scratch-built with added greeblies, or a modified commercial replica is acceptable.
·        Details to be painted black and silver per reference photos.

If it's their mistake definitely press for a replacement! It's a heck of a mistake to make and it is more likely to harm your chances of clearing than not.  I'm not even sure you could sell it on to recoup the loss. Let us know how you get on!

Definitely contacting CS - hoping they can help me out.
 
Once I finally get this Staff Officer approved, I think I'll do a "what not to do" thread - this has become my white whale in so many ways.
 

Definitely contact CS and see what they can do. Explain to them what the problem is and that you ordered custom and their measurements were made incorrectly. CS has, in the past, had very good customer service, so it doesn't hurt to shoot them an email. 

Yikes! I'm sorry to hear that you've had a CosplaySky issue. :C
I actually have a friend who had a similar sort of problem, but I think his waist seam was in a reasonable location? The tunic just was a little shorter than he would have preferred.... didn't come down as far as he'd have liked.
In his case, it was suggested that maybe he request some of the same tunic fabric from CosplaySky (They do actually sell their own uniform fabric, so that you can make alterations and make your own hats and such to match!) and he could try to remake the lower panels and extend everything himself. Bit of a nightmare.... and it wouldn't solve your waist seam issue.
In your instance, I'd worry that the high waist seam, which wouldn't be covered by a belt, might hold you back from clearance. It depends on how picky your GML would be, or if they'd notice?
CosplaySky do take custom orders. It's unfortunate, since it's another cost to pay... but you could show them these photos, give your measurements, and they can try to tailor something for you personally? Was this a custom job from them or was it a stock size?

Oh, awesome! Since I have blonde hair, there's really no way I can fully meet requirements beyond L1 (due to temporary dyeing of my hair), but I'm always actively looking into improving upon requirements after I get my costume accepted. I'll check this off my list and move to the next requirements! 

Here you go ma'am.


 

 

 

 
There's a bunch of good quality ones from ROTJ.  I don't think we see them anywhere else in movies - I DO believe they're in the comics, though I don't have access to those atm.

I agree with the LMO teams decision to just add the armor to the existing CRLs as optional accessories. To me, that makes sense. 

Veers to ACD made sense.  From a pure military point of view, ACD (Armored CAVALRY Detachment - emphasis on the second word) Veers was commanding the Empire's "Cavalry" - AT-AT and AT-ST walkers.

Thrawn, Price and Tarkin are not commanding Cavalry.  They are effectively Generals on the field.  And a General is a commanding OFFICER.
 
Tarkin is an Officer if he's in armor for field work or bunny slippers because he doesn't like the feel of his boots.  Sorry, but I'll ride and die on that hill, "feelings" be damned.

Thank you for the advice on magnoli clothier. Thats who I'm going with. Cheers bro!

I was joking, apologies.  I honestly don't think there'll be a "fight" on anyone's hands, if there has been no activity over there/drive to adopt it.
I suppose we just need to motivate some folks over here into making and submitting!
 

I know at least two people who are building (and offering for sale) Rebels chest armour! I think Thrawn's specifically  

I'm making inquiries to see if we can rustle things along. Regardless of if they looked at an AT-AT one time, officers in armour are -Officers- in armour. We've got Rebels cadets with helmets, Kallus in his gear (who pilots a lot more vehicles than the other higher ranking dudes). Put a different hat on an officer, especially a high ranking face character officer, it's still an officer.

Battlefront 2 also have armoured officers kicking it with deathstar troopers http://battlefront.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Officer/DICE so there's scope to adding armour to staff and line officers too.
 
At the very least though, additions to Pryce/Thrawn/Tarkin (would we need a Rebels Tarkin?? urghh)

I was joking, apologies.  I honestly don't think there'll be a "fight" on anyone's hands, if there has been no activity over there/drive to adopt it.
I suppose we just need to motivate some folks over here into making and submitting!
 

I know at least two people who are building (and offering for sale) Rebels chest armour! I think Thrawn's specifically  

I know at least two people who are building (and offering for sale) Rebels chest armour! I think Thrawn's specifically  

We (LMO Team) will not be creating new CRL's of the same costumes for another Detachment just to account for battle armor.  If the LMO Team is different next year, of course that opinion may change, but as it stands now, battle armor on these characters will be optional accessories on their current CRL's.  And the CRL's are not moving to another detachment.
 
Assuming anyone actually makes said battle armor.

Thats sounds like a functional idea to me. I agree that it´t better not to reopen old sored and let Veers stay in the ACD, but Tarkin, Thrawn and Pryce should be in the responsibility of the IOC and not be spiltted. 

Hello.  Your neighborhood LMO is here with a new chapter of "Update That CRL".
 
Pursuant to the overall activity of general review and updating where needed (noted here) ... I've performed a review of the Admiral Daala - Flightsuit CRL.  
 
Rather than post the CRL in entirety below, I will say that the only changes (outside of spelling, etc) is: 
 
1. On the flightsuit, allowing both darker olive and black piping. 
2. Minor language smoothing for clarity purposes.
 
These edits have not been performed yet.  I will be making them live November 9.  If there are any further updates to this specific CRL desired, post here.

Hello hello!
 
Something caught my eye in an ongoing staff officer build thread, and it was suggested that a CRL discussion thread be created to spin the conversation away from the poor OP's thread:
 
 
As a person extremely interested in building a staff officer in the future (I'm a sucker for black uniforms <3) and who'd wanted a captain or lieutenant plaque (purely because they're visually interesting to me) I'm... disappointed to find out that this wouldn't be possible? And I'm struggling to understand particularly why? It's a fairly dramatic change and one which I'm sure the general public won't particularly care about.
 
A call to action then! I'm fairly new to posting here regularly, so if there was previous discussion here, can those threads be linked so I can read the history behind this decision? I also appreciate that this appears to be a controversial and possibly overdone topic, and I do apologise if I'm dragging the old bones back up to pick over, but I'd honestly appreciate an explanation with refs and reasonings. I had my heart set on my two-line rank plaque!
 
Thankyou in advance!

Hi guys
 
Possibly the most off topic of all off topic threads! But I noticed that there were 501st generic facebook profile frames, and Rebel Legion ones and stuff. So I looked into it and there wasn't an IOC frame! aaaaand then I made one.
 
Should be able to find and apply it by searching ioc or imperial officer corp in the frame application bit!
 
<3

Hi guys
 
Possibly the most off topic of all off topic threads! But I noticed that there were 501st generic facebook profile frames, and Rebel Legion ones and stuff. So I looked into it and there wasn't an IOC frame! aaaaand then I made one.
 
Should be able to find and apply it by searching ioc or imperial officer corp in the frame application bit!
 
<3

Hi guys
 
Possibly the most off topic of all off topic threads! But I noticed that there were 501st generic facebook profile frames, and Rebel Legion ones and stuff. So I looked into it and there wasn't an IOC frame! aaaaand then I made one.
 
Should be able to find and apply it by searching ioc or imperial officer corp in the frame application bit!
 
<3

Hi guys
 
Possibly the most off topic of all off topic threads! But I noticed that there were 501st generic facebook profile frames, and Rebel Legion ones and stuff. So I looked into it and there wasn't an IOC frame! aaaaand then I made one.
 
Should be able to find and apply it by searching ioc or imperial officer corp in the frame application bit!
 
<3

Excellent work, I got mine