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I have to respectfully disagree that there isn't enough to go on.
The Barnes and Noble poster is very stylized, but I believe that it conveys the idea that there were other Grand Admirals out there - not just Thrawn or Sloane.
If there were others out there, it should be fair game.
On a related note; The legends generic GA was approved way before my time here, but what was the basis for it?
 

Something I think we should do is induct into the legion as honorary members the costume designers who made the costumes and the actors who portrayed the different officers in the star wars movies.

We need to spearhead this here because we are the Imperial Officer Corp, but also because time is running out on many of the potential inductees.  Many of the actors that were in the original trilogy are of advanced age and may not long be with us.  We already missed our opportunity with John Mollo who designed many of the costumes we wear.

Glyn Dillion is a must, but so is David Crossman, his co-designer who came up with the single bar rank system for Rogue One and Solo.

We need to generate a list of those who are and those who are not currently honorary members.  Then as we learn where they will be guests we will set the wheels in motion to getting them what they need to be inducted.

I am personally willing to pay for the first three inductees fees to get them the plaque and badge.  I do this knowing that it is very likely I will not be able to attend the induction myself.  But I think it is necessary for us to thank the people who inspired us to wear these costumes.  I would also like to draw tighter the ties between us and creators of the new films.  We live in an age where we no longer have to guess what these costumes look like or how they are made.  

I propose a list that looks like this:

Name – Position – Movies – Member – 

Glyn Dillion – Costume Designer – TFA, RO, TLJ, SASM – No membership
Domhnall Gleeson – General Hux – TFA, TLJ – No membership 
Julian Glover – General Veers – ESB – Honorary Member
Richard LeParmentier – Admiral Motti – ANH – Honorary Member

What we would do is simply work the list.  As members learn of different actors going to cons we will see if we have enough time to get something together and make a presentation.  Historically we have never needed the approval of the local garrison, though they should be notified as a courtesy.  I have inducted members just by myself and friends and that precedent still stands.  Some of the people that will make it to the list will never attend a convention, Michael Kaplan, the costume designer for The Force Awakens is one.  In those cases we can we can contact their agent or the studios to make the presentation.  Not every induction should include publicity.  We should respect the wishes of the inductee and size it based on what is able to be done and what they are comfortable.

I would like to hit up at least 3 before the end of the year, potentially more if it can be done.


 

Absolutely! Done!

@bjsavage7 
Any chance we could get this pinned?
This is a TON of great information and I'd hate to see it get lost to the vastness of the forums!!

@bjsavage7 
Any chance we could get this pinned?
This is a TON of great information and I'd hate to see it get lost to the vastness of the forums!!

@bjsavage7 
Any chance we could get this pinned?
This is a TON of great information and I'd hate to see it get lost to the vastness of the forums!!

I'm glad Wolfe works for you, those who have a good response to i tend to like it. Unfortunately its lack of inclusion on the list was intentional due to the large swathes of people who it makes break out, its suprisingly volatile to a lot of skin types

yeah, I intend to make some shoes for him in the future if/when I feel like actually submitting for higher levels. I constructed the uniform with L2/L3 in mind so its really just boots and code cylinders that need a change. If your cobbler can do it I'd love to see the results!

I can't really speculate on that because I'm not your GML, that's something to run by them.

To be quite honest, I think that stipulation exists on both CRLs because people can't tell the difference between leg armor and how feet are animated, lol. Your idea definitely sounds like it would work though, and shouldn't be too difficult to accomplish.

This is an absolutely incredible list, holy heck

I've also done a lot of body paint over the years and I really can't say enough good things about using Endura for chiss. It does take a bit of practice to get the hang of applying it right, but the fact that I'm not panicking about it rubbing off on clothes or other people is honestly worth the learning curve. Especially when there's a white uniform involved.

There's been an influx of new potential Thrawns lately, so I figured it would be most helpful to put this all in one place where others can reference it rather than popping up in every thread and repeating myself.
 
MAKEUP
 
I've done a lot of bodypaint characters over the years, especially blue people, and at this point I have used or at least tested pretty much every blue bodypaint on the market. There's no right or wrong choice, but I can lay out the pros and cons so no one has to waste money on trial and error. I have chosen for this list mostly products that have broad availability, and mostly inexpensive. Where the best options are expensive, I have offered a more affordable counterpart.
 
Water soluble makeup options:

Ben Nye :
            pros: inexpensive, widely available, decent color range, ease of application
            cons: mediocre wear quality, some flaking/scaliness depending on application. No great Rebels match without blending

Kryolan Aquacolor
            Pros: price, availability, ease of application
            Cons: medium wear quality, no great Rebels Thrawn color currently

Kryolan Supracolor
            Pros: better wear than the previous two, nice color range
            Cons: Stains garments, not a fan
 
Mehron Paradise
              Pros: Price, longterm wear with sealant, good color choices
              Cons: Small packaging, quickly used up

MAC Chromacake
            Pros: Perfect color option for Rebels Thrawn, longevity of wear
            Cons: 28$/3 oz, gets used up quickly

ProAiir Dips
Pros: longevity, lightweight feel
Cons: airbush only, no Rebels Thrawn match without blending
 
Vibe by European Body Arts
            Pros: longevity, color options, hand or airbrush application
            Cons: heavier feel on the skin, difficulty in removal
 
Alcohol activated options:

Kryolan BIC
            Pros: lightweight, skin still ‘breathes’, price, extensive longevity
            Cons: Blue is very dark, Turquoise is very green – good for Legends Thrawn but not Rebels color.
 
Skin Illustrator
            Pros: can buy individual colors rather than full pallets, great color selection, very lightweight feel
            Cons: palletes are very small, used up quickly, can apply streaky – better option for those with existing makeup skills

Endura (liquid) fun fact:  Endura Light Blue is the base coat used by Marvel for the Kree aliens!
Pros: longevity of wear, good Rebels turquoise, many blue options for blending, hand or airbrush application
Cons: Takes a while to remove, midweight-heavy feel on the skin

Endura (pallet)
Pros: longevity, lightweight feel
Cons: no good Rebels Thrawn color currently, would require mixing skills which is difficult when its dry pallet
 
Detailing Makeup

Powder Contour options:

Coastal Scents color pallets: inexpensive, many blues included in palletes, low pigment

NYX individual eye shadows: inexpensive, mix and match, matte powders for shading. Medium pigment

MAC individual eye shadows: expensive, mix and match, high pigmentation
 
L'Oreal: inexpensive, has a great greenish-turquoise light shimmer powder good for hilight and toning base blue to match Rebels

Red under eye liner:

NYX liquid red: inexpensive, good longevity, shows up well on top of blue

STILA red liquid liner: expensive, good longevity, very strong matte color

Sephora brand red liners: inexpensive, pencil style

(Stay away from lip liners and similar products; they're the easiest to find red liners in, but lip products are not intended to be eye safe. It is unlikely to cause an issue, but has the potential to do so)

Lipstick

NYX light blue: perfect color match for Endura light blue liquid, so you don't have to use base coat your lips

MAC Amplified: has several matte shades to match Endura, Mehron, Aquacolor, other blues can be found in different lipstick lines

For the light pink over color; you want a nude (not pink!) semi-sheer matte lip gloss. There are too many options to narrow down a right or wrong choice; for inexpensive widely available brands that have acceptable options; L'Oreal, NYX, E.L.F, Maybelline

Brow Products

Kat Von D Brow pomade: comes in both natural and unnatural (blue, although currently only light) shades. Its a highly pigmented product that will easily cover bodypaint.Expensive

DipBrow pomade: natural shades; black + blue powder best for this application. High pigmentation will cover bodypaint base. Expensive

For inexpensive options, buy a brow brush (suggestion: E.L.F Eyebrow Duo Brush) that has a mascara wand-like end to pull up any brow hairs painted down with blue, and a sharp, angled brush to fill in and re-draw your brows. All the powder options above that have a deep blue would be suitable for this purpose!

E.L.F. eyebrow stencil: If you have covered up your brows with bodypaint, are inexperienced in drawing in your eyebrows, or are aiming for the shape and size of Rebels Thrawn's very well-plucked brows, this is the easiest way to go and ELF is your most inexpensive option.

Sealants

Ben Nye Final Seal – for any and all of the above options, is the gold standard of theatrical makeup

ProSeal (European body arts) – for alcohol makeup options

Removers

Unveil/Vapore: high powered removers that will take off any of the above options, but are the #1 choice for alcohol activated makups

Ben Nye Remove It All: a less expensive all-around makeup remover, not as good at alcohol makeup

Witch Hazel: inexpensive option to take off most alcohol-activated makeups in non-sensitive areas (neck, ears, hands, etc)


Hair Options

Rebels Thrawn requires dark blue hair, unlike Legends Thrawn's black hair. These color options will work on most hair, if you have naturally platinum, grey, or pre-lightened hair there is the possibility of staining.

Temporary, wash-out hair color sprays:

Jerome Russell B'Wild spray

ION Brights Airbrush Color
 
Blue Hue Liquid Chalk

Color Bombz 
 

Hair Waxes, these are all pretty similar products, available on Amazon in most countries. Bonus of not required additional styling product as they are a medium hold pomade
 
Mofajang 

Volluck

Chige

Wig options
 
Wig Is Fashion: Chinese based website with NA/EU/UK shipping options, no short cut options available but many variations on blue lacefront wigs that could be cut to suit. Will also do custom with any existing color, based on photos, in the 100$ range. Your best quality for a low cost option if you can't use your real hair.

Enchanted Sea: Instagram/Deviant Art, cosplay artist who has done custom Rebels Thrawn wig in the past.

Hero Hair: high end, full custom, film-quality handmade wigs.




I will be updating with additional materials in the future; I'm working on a couple of video makeup tutorials featuring some of these options, as well as print files for accurate epaulets + guide on sizing them for print
 

Rebels Thrawn is definitely a flat-topped boot, those would work for legends.

Mine are WWII Soviet officers boots, I use them for all my imperials. I got them on Etsy, there's a Ukrainian based shop you'll find there with great prices on German and Soviet boots. Or Sovietboots.com,but they're more expensive and their options vary. Since he doesn't actually have any stipulation on stitching, it shouldn't be too hard to find a flat topped, slightly-heeled boot.   

Definitely try the spray first before investing in a wig, if you're US based Sally Beauty Supply has a couple of options (better quality than the party store kind), and if you just search "Hair wax' on amazon there's a couple inexpensive blue ones.

Yep, idk if you had resent your email already, but I still have not received an inquiry from you  I'm several months lead time right now due to demand, but I'm accepting orders and can direct you elsewhere to makers I trust if you have a more immediate need  

yeah Arda is good for specific uses, but their natural tones are just not natural. I use Wig Is Fashion for pretty much everything; a lot of LotR and Marvel cosplay. I wold 100% suggest them for pretty much anything, never had a bad experience with their product. Shipping does take a bit though since its from China

for reference, this is a generic Wig Is Fashion wig cut short, and I cut the back a bit shorter for future wears after this photo was taken, and it only cost about 50$ And they now have a shoulder length navy blue lacefront that would be a decently accurate color for Rebels Thrawn.


Sorry for the double post, the forum was being a butt and wouldn't embed in an edit

Might not be too much of an issue if the colour is right and you can still cover your scalp beneath? I know that the spray hair colour and the coloured waxes might be good for coverage, unsure how they'd fare on your skin beneath though as that would need to be blue if visible through the shorter hair!

^That particular wig is made to spike, so it won't want to lie down even with product. Also, Arda is very good for anime cosplays, I would super not suggest them for any semi-realistic look. Their lacefront short wigs are extremely full, they make your head look big and poofy, and are very single-tone and unnatural. I had originally purchased their Cady wig in black for Legends Thrawn and it was a large and expensive disappointment.  They're a good go-to for anime, gaming, or wigs that you intend to sculpt

If you're not opposed to cutting a wig, Wig Is Fashion has some good lacefront wigs in deep blue (I purchased one to trim into Thrawn hair since I'm growing my hair out, and I cut an 18" black wig of theirs for Legends Thrawn after the Arda disaster) and they run a little less than Arda, price-wise. They also do custom and have done custom short mens wigs in the past; if its an existing color or style similar to what they have done before, it cost approximately 100$, and the color exists + they've done short mens before. I did custom through them for my Ysanne Isard wig and I love it, they're very easy to work with.

 
The sprays would def cover the skin! 

Not sure myself tbh. Was a proposition for the LMO team, decision still sits with them. Why it's blown up into eight pages I'll never know. XD
"it seems to be the same people constantly wanting everything there own way " - my thoughts exactly.

I've not applied the makeup myself however I believe @rattleandburn was gonna do a full/half face Thrawn tutorial!
I can give some very basic makeup tips like use of eyeliner (specifically in the waterline) and contour but it might just be best to scour Youtube and/or wait for Vanya's Thrawn tutorial since it'll specifically cover bodypaint and doing everything in blue. XD

haha yep, its in progress. I'm 3D printing a clip to hold my webcam onto the bathroom mirror so I can film in front of a mirror, stand by for blueberry tutorial xD

As I'm planning to revive my legends Thrawn (and do a Rebels Thrawn in the future), can you recommend any tutorials @GDMorti?

No problem! If you need any help or tips when it gets there and you practice applying, we'd be glad to help

Thank you all.  I got the Endura paint and hair wax ordered today.  I really appreciate all y'alls help!

For the record, regarding removal:

It won't come off easy, because if you go Endura it's made to stay on. Try not to panic, try not to scrub yourself raw, but it's gonna take some time to come off completely so make time in your plans post-troop for removal unless you're fine being a bit blue after. The advice above of "spray remover, wait, rub", is solid. Even if it doesn't feel like it's coming off quickly enough, it does take time! In your removal kit, make sure you include q-tips (for your ears and inside of your nose XD) and cotton pads for towards the end (paper towels at the beginning for the majority). Also invest in a good moisturiser and rub a good dollop in everywhere you painted blue. Twice later in the day even. Your skin will thank you!

I'm no expert but I was painted blue to accompany a  Thrawn and Ar'alarni as Thrass a few months ago. Endura lasted the entire time (About four hours for me) and there was absolutely no transfer on any of the clothes I was wearing (and my shirt was a crew-cut collar jersey shirt so we had to paint down my neck and onto my chest a bit inside of the shirt, no transfer!)

Also, and this goes for anyone wanting to up their makeup game not just with Thrawn (although for Thrawn and Chiss it makes such a huge, huge difference!), learning to contour will raise your game from "oh hey a Thrawn!" to "oh my god, look at that Thrawn! Wow!" I promise you. <3 You don't even have to fully blue-up to practice. Applying and blending you can do just on your face as-is.  It'll just look very weird. XD

EDIT: while you're practising makeup techniques, it doesn't hurt to get yourself used to having things touching around your eyes and wearing product around your eyes. Desensitising yourself to applying eyeliner or even just brushing clean q-tips around your eyelid area and waterline is going to really help ensure a solid coverage, right up to the eyeline. If the Endura is too intense to put that close to your eyes, work that area over with powders and blue makeups to get it as close as you can without rubbing alcohol paint in there. XD PLUS then you'll be able to apply that red eyeliner and it's another small detail.

I have to be That Guy.

There's no kick pleats anywhere in the First Order, just standard suit coat vents, that go all the way to the waist seam due to having a waist seam. They overlap, as is standard, if you're not looking closely, or when moving, or just suits are not your speciality, it could appear like a pleat, but I see that misinformation occasionally about other uniforms; and FO of any type suuuuuper do not have a weird-ass pleat (or weird ass-pleat). Its an American style vent, in film costumes the crossover is only ~1-2" which is normal, it appears to have been rendered for gaming to be a bit broader.


Edit: this isn't an endorsement of one way or the other on this CRL just that the term/concept if applied will lead people astray in constructing their costumes