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References incoming for: ANH ISB style yoke (you can also see two pockets for code cylinders in those refs) and no jodhpurs, at least that is my conclusion at the moment. For the jodhpur reference, I am comparing the standard olive drab uniform with his own (on the right).
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On 4/3/2019 at 5:32 AM, Mitthrawnuruodo said:
I'm a bit confused which suits we're talking about now without having any photos to differentiate that we're talking about this suit and not that suit.
New costume options are always fun, very interested to see where this goes.
I am going to start plugging away at the Cadet uniform!
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30 minutes ago, DarthFunk83 said:
First place to start would be to gather up images and resources for the cadet uniform. The proposed CRL would need to match exactly how it looks in the comics. As for the discrepancies, I don't necessarily have the answer, but that discussion with other members may prove useful. One feature of the tunic that I recall is that the yoke doesn't come up to the shoulder like in the "standard" tunic, but is more similar to the ANH ISB officer. That's just an example.
After that, you will likely work with the CRL team in drafting the words of the CRL in conjunction with the creation of the uniform itself. We now have a policy that no CRL will be made without an accompanying costume to go with it.
Hope that helps. Good luck!!
Sounds like a plan!
I will amend the title of this thread and start uploading references. I’ll definitely add a note about the yoke.
This helps a lot, thank you! I’m eager to get started.
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1 hour ago, DarthFunk83 said:
My two cents, it may be possible to do a new CRL for the cadet uniform because that one is a grey uniform. As of right now, with the current CRLs that we have, any grey uniform would be rejected, so making a new CRL for that style would make sense.
So moving forward, the creation of the cadet uniform would include the write-up of the CRL? I drafted a potential CRL for a CW Maul variant last year, it was fun but took ages by myself. I'm more than willing to start a shared google doc or upload a PDF so this CRL can be adjusted as people see fit. As of right now, I'm going to tweak the Line Officer basic requirements while taking a closer look at the reference images in the comics.
The comics present another issue I'm not sure now to tackle: How seriously do we take discrepancies in the illustrations? A seam here, a wrinkle that looks like a dart there, that sort of thing. Do we assume the uniform is a variant of a standard, or an entirely new garment?
Thanks everyone!
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4 minutes ago, xAlpha said:
I agree, Bobby. And we have members who do just that, already, without any issues.
10 minutes ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:I'd vote that his uniform (either one) isn't different enough to warrant its own CRL.
You make a great arguments about Daala (kinda with Eclipse too, but she wears different pants, blah blah blah).
These questions come up all the time, heck a few years ago I tried SO HARD to make a Jagged Fel CRL happen (the hair and scar separate him from the rest), but when you break it all down piece by piece is there really anything different?
I've heard the argument comparing our CRLs to the Clone CRLs, "each different clone has its own CRL, why can't Veers, Ozzel, Motti, etc. have their own CRLs". The thought of that is just a logistical headache, and so many people (myself included) would submit so many costumes for approval, "With this hat and rank bar I'm this guy, with this rank and no hat I'm this guy..."
So what's stopping you from just getting approved as a Line Officer, wearing Vanto's rank and code cylinders combo, and after approval while trooping just make yourself look like Eli as possible. Most command staffs would be cool with it as long as you can prove that the character exists and that's what he looks like, as a GML and Event Coordinator I'd allow it.
I didn’t even think about the clones, that’s an even better example of where I was going with that line of thought!
I think I’ll do just that then. As for that cadet uniform, do you think there are enough differences to explore the creation of that uniform?
Thank you, I appreciate your insight!
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Hello everyone!
It’s clear I’m not the only one interested in seeing an Eli Vanto CRL. The ‘very confused about colors’ thread offers plenty of insight on both the grey cadet and olive drab uniform and I have drawn my conclusions from that discussion.
Correct me if I misinterpreted anything, but what I got from it was that the closest approximation of Vanto’s olive uniform is the Line Officer, which can be purchased from a variety of retailers. The main question I have is whether or not Vanto qualifies for his own CRL with the olive uniform. I am prepared to argue he does because we have a couple CRLS (Daala's Olive Drab and the Juno Eclipse Dress Uniform) that are essentially officer’s uniforms with cosmetic differences. Remove the wig and replace the extra accessories with standard officer gear and they would be virtually indistinguishable from a standard uniform. Eli doesn’t wear a hat and has a unique enough hairstyle, so I don’t see why he wouldn’t qualify on those merits when compared to Daala and Eclipse.
As for the Cadet uniform, I hope this thread can be a place where we get down to the brass tacks of the uniform’s construction, proper color, etc. Sewing does not play to my strengths so I plan on commissioning the uniform after seeing this collaborative effort through to what will hopefully be a CRL we’re all proud of.
Cheers!
-Bea
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15 hours ago, pben said:
Very good info. I most believe that I'll never build a Thrawn though I love the character, but this is very useful for those brave ones who want to approve one.
Thank you!
I hope this can be a useful, collaborative effort for anyone interested in the build. I love makeup, it is the one thing I feel extremely confident doing as a costumer. When I'm not volunteering to do someone's makeup for them I like to make masterposts of all the resources that helped me along the way.
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20 hours ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:
This is a lot of great info, thank you for sharing!
I personally use Wolfe paints when I feel like be a Mirialan, Pantoran, Zeltron, or Chiss X-Wing pilot.
Someday I'll get around to doing Thrawn... he's been my favorite for years... I'm just too frugal to buy a new uniform haha
I'll add Wolfe paints to the external links list!
I feel you, I'm so impatient and budgeting for this costume is a test of wills...I want to do it all now!!
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1 minute ago, Tentayena said:
Hey there!
I wanted to toss in another contender that I know several Thrawn/Alien costumers like to use.
Alcohol activated face paint!
This can be either airbrushed or sponged on, depending on your skill level, and it's liquid, so colors can be mixed if the available color isn't satisfactory. I usually will add a teeny bit of dark blue to their lighter blue as a base, then tint it darker for the base shading before I contour with powder.
It's honestly incredible how well it stays on. You need their special remover to get it off your face, and I've even gone swimming in it before and it doesn't budge.
I usually get mine from European Body Art, and they also offer a water based option as wellHow could I forget? You are Absolutely correct!
It completely slipped my mind. I was never taught how to use alcohol activated makeup myself in theatre at the high school or college level, which is a shame! I'm going to tag you and add your breakdown to the post. Thank you for sharing information on alcohol activated paints!
Do you use Skin Illustrator, or do you know of any other brands I should tag? I've been told people use generic 99% isopropyl alcohol but if there is a brand I should tag, please let me know!
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There are four kinds of makeup one can choose from for an alien race character such as Thrawn. Grease paint, Cream makeup, Water Activated face paint and Alcohol Activated Paint. Below is a brief explanation of each type along with tips and external links.
Grease Paint
Named after the petrolatum content, grease paint has remained an industry standard since the 1920s. Grease paints are highly pigmented, apply smoothly and don’t require a lot of product to cover the entire face. It is applied with a clean, dry makeup sponge for best results. It feels heavy and well, greasy on the face at first but the color payoff is worth it. The most important caveat is that it MUST be set with translucent powder or it will smear and transfer to clothing. For the love of the Empire, SET YOUR GREASE PAINT. You will certainly ruin your white uniform if you don’t.
Cream Makeup
Cream makeup can be found in any party store and is the cheapest and easiest of the three to apply. It can be applied with fingers, brushes or sponges and doesn’t require water to activate the pigment. It is prone to smudging and doesn’t have nearly the same durability as grease paint. It also needs to be set with a powder or setting spray. If you’ve never experimented with theatre makeup before and want to test it out, grab some cheap cream makeup. If you don’t set your greasepaint, it will look and feel like cheap, slippery cream makeup and nobody wants that.
Water Activated Paint
Brands like Mehron’s Paradise Paint and Ben Nye MagiCake are highly pigmented and have a minimal learning curve. Until you add water via brush or makeup sponge, it stays in a dry cake form. Don't add too much water or it will get runny and look uneven. Water activated paint can be layered to create a more vibrant color but it is very hard to blend, as it dries quickly. Building color is necessary for an opaque result, unlike grease or cream makeup, which requires minimal layering. A popular, inexpensive brand often used by cosplayers is called Snazaroo.
Alcohol Activated Paint - Info generously provided by @Tentayena
This can be either airbrushed or sponged on, depending on your skill level, and it's liquid, so colors can be mixed if the available color isn't satisfactory. I usually will add a teeny bit of dark blue to their lighter blue as a base, then tint it darker for the base shading before I contour with powder.
Alcohol activated makeup functions similarly to water based only the paints become activated by 99% Isopropyl Alcohol instead of water. This type of makeup is what you'll see on television and films, as it is extremely long-wearing and the color payoff can't be beat. I myself have never used it, but this guide looks helpful for those interested in trying this type of makeup out!
Regardless of how well you know your way around a makeup palette, skincare is the most important step. If you don’t wash your face before applying makeup, it will not last very long and you will be sad an hour or two into your troop. Oily skin types might want to steer clear of grease paint, as it tends to clog pores. All these types of makeup can be removed with soap and water, or makeup remover wipes.
For best results…
- Wash (shave if necessary) and moisturize the face with an oil free moisturizer before applying makeup
- Always use clean sponges and brushes
- Test your makeup at least once in case you need to troubleshoot
- All makeup will last longer if it is sealed with a spray sealer like Ben Nye Final Seal
- All setting powder should be white or translucent
External Links...
Eulenspiegel paints Thanks to @Steven for pointing this brand out to me!
Skin Illustrator for Alcohol Based Makeup
Tutorial for Airbrushing Makeup
Red Carpet FX Range of Primers and Sealers
WolfeFX Makeup Thanks @Mitthrawnuruodo for this brand!
- Steven, AgnesAUT and Theblueguy808
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Eli Vanto CRL Discussion
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You're absolutely right, there is that cadet uniform I totally forgot about. After looking at the other Vanto discussions I went along with the name, so maybe "Ensign" uniform? Much to be determined! Also, I might be colorblind but I always saw the uniform as grey blue. Gah!