Dader ID7021

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I agree that this is a separate CRL for Doctor Pershing against the Imperial Medical Technicians for a few reasons.

The distance between the two appearances in universe is 27 years. 

Doctor Pershing's uniform has different colored  trim, straight pants with chelsea boots (versus clone war era boots), different belts and buckles.

@Dader ID7021 if you want to start a Doctor Pershing thread in the New CRL area, please do and post reference photos.  As soon as we have enough I will submit it to the LMO office in order to proceed.  DO take a look at the Galen Erson CRL and you will find much of the language that will be used for the Pershing CRL.

About the CRL; when this topic was started, we'd only seen Dr Pershing and the one cloning scientist from the first season of the Bad Batch.
A year and a half later and we got to see more animated medical technicians. These costumes are totally different from what we had seen back when the topic was started.
 
I believe that Doctor Pershing should have a seperate CRL. Not only is he a hero character, but the other costumes are completely different. A generic Medical Technician is no longer an option.
 
If we compare Pershing to the first animated medical technician there are a couple of differences; animated has two large patches instead of one smaller patch, animated collar and belt have extra details, animated wears gloves.
 
The concept art costume shown on starwars.com is from a background scientist. This is a completely different pattern. Nowhere close to that of Doctor Pershing.
 
Animated costumes are a whole different group of costumes and should not be in the same CRL as Dr Pershing.

But we have a black poncho for black officers, krennic has a white tunic with a white poncho and in our CRL there is a green poncho for the green officers. So it is kind of fair to have the white poncho as an optional for officers with a white tunic?

But we have a black poncho for black officers, krennic has a white tunic with a white poncho and in our CRL there is a green poncho for the green officers. So it is kind of fair to have the white poncho as an optional for officers with a white tunic?

With the possibility of a separate R1 ISB CRL, can we add the poncho as an optional accessory?
 
The rain poncho is an optional accessory to the none-R1 line officer and for the standard black officers. Since the white poncho does appear on screen, it would be a wonderful accessory for the other ISB officesrs next to Krennic.

Just my personal opinion, but chalk holders seem to do the job. They're a quick, cheap, easy to obtain fix for a faffy part of certain costumes.
And this is coming from me! I'm normally a big stickler for accuracy! So long as the cylinders are -present- and you've made an effort to match the tops (painted blue for Krennic etc) and the clip (brass or silver etc) then I don't see the issue?
 
This is pushbuttons required for basic all over again, when plexiglass works completely fine and they are far more widely manufactured. And even then, the list of trusted makers of plexi-plaques is still a short one.
 
I feel that stuff like this is absolutely what the level 2 and 3 req's are for. All components and design elements of a costume should be present at level one, with a "good enough" bar set for quality. Level 2 you can start requiring screen used -or- exact replicas. Level 3 for the crazies who want to fork out £30+ each for actual dosis, if they can even find them.
 
Lets not make this any harder than it really needs to be? This is an expensive hobby at the best of times.
 
Again, just my opinion.

I want to address something I keep seeing brought up - "it's more expensive to upgrade later" - And?

We allow Pleather boots that have zippers.  The cost difference between those and real English Riding boots that are fit to your calves is several hundred dollars USD - I imagine it's even more in some other places.  Yet no one is suggesting we eliminate all boots other than real English Riding Boots because it's "more expensive to upgrade later."
 
While I appreciate that many people want to go for L2/L3, everyone ELSE must appreciate that there is a good portion of the 501st that simply wants a costume - in our case for officers, the most common one I hear is "something I can sit in."

IMHO, the rule at L1 should be "at 15-20 feet can the average person tell the difference?" - with the Chalk holders, if done correctly per the CRL, no, they cannot.  So what exactly is the big deal?

To me it would be great if we could add Rebels Ranks to "normal" Line and Staff Officers. For example the Admiral Rank of Brom Titus from Rebels with the Rank Bar and Code Cylinder specification, but with a not-Rebels Staff Officer uniform.
 
Is it understandable what I mean?

We all do, in some ways. Most people like Pablo and the story group are VERY accessible - both on Twitter, and though mutual friends in our own legion. The Rogue One costume group seems to love answering our questions - it’s one of the ways we realized the Krennic gloves and boots were not just off the shelf items.

Plus the plethora of games, comics (both the old Marvel/Dark Horse that are now Legends, as well as the current Marvel that is cannon), cartoons, etc. The fact we’re even DISCUSSING trying to exclude items that are cannon, whether or not certain people want them to be, is... well, atrocious.

It’s time to stop pretending we’re blissfully unaware of anything outside of the OT when it comes to rank bars and accept all sources.


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If we limit a very popular and widely known costume in this fashion via rank bar, when content outside of the 3 OT movies exists, it just doesn't seem to have much in the way of grounds to do so.
 
Legends Thrawn exists, and remains, despite being "non canon" and never appearing in the OT movies.
Ysanne Isard exists as a popular character in the comics, and while there is debate over her rank bars and the style/cut of her pants, she never appears either and yet I see more and more Ysanne builds popping up as time goes on. Not a sniff of her in the OT movies.
 
It's an extremely blinkered and strange view to tie down a detail like this, on the grounds of "OT only", and yet entire character CRL's exist for non OT, or non moviecanon characters. At least I think so anyway!
 
Like, we don't even need to use "logical extrapolation" as reasoning behind double bar rank plaques on black uniforms. They exist in both the videogames and the comics. If the "three references" litmus test applies, pretty sure we've got that covered here?
 
And sure if someone wanted to specifically make an OT Staff Officer, they are perfectly within their rights to limit themselves to a single bar plaque!

You´re not the only one who´s wondering Morti. I stumbled over this Change as i approved a staff officer and neither back than now now it makes sense to me because of the reasons Robert und James mentioned.
 
I have the feeling that since we got a new canon with all it´s ressources for new costumes, we´re limiting ourselves more and more.

Why clean shaven? Just curious

Thanks guys. I hope the hear from the IOC staff soon!

Hi all, I'd like to propose the following CRL. I've been working on a generic Rogue One ISB Officer based on Bozeden Jeems as seen in the visual guide. Since Jeems is wearing the same costume as Krennic does in his Flashback scene I think generic ISB officers could be added to the reference library just like the ANH ISB officer based on Yularens uniform.
 
CRL Suggestion
 
Imperial Hat, black
For 501st approval:
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall. Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high. Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with 6 or 7 concentric stitches. Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical flap.   
For level two certification (if applicable): Code Disk has a notch detail on the outermost disk.  
For level three certification (if applicable): Code disk exactly matches screen-used prop.  
 
Tunic
For 501st approval: White wool or wool-like twill weave. Double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. Yoke wraps across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam. The standing collar has square corners and is 2" (5 cm) tall. Collar closes snugly and includes a modesty panel behind closure. Two code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket located half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole. Wrist length sleeves without decoration, cuffs or buttons.  
For level two certification (if applicable): There is a dart of about 2" (50.8 mm) in the top center of the yoke. There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt. The back of the tunic has princess seams that run vertically and turn outward to intersect the arm-hole seam at the vertical center.  
For level three certification (if applicable): Tunic must be secured on the right side by snaps or buttons, not Velcro. There is no topstitching visible anywhere and it must have a lining sewn in.  
 
Rank Bar
For 501st approval: See the Imperial Rank Bar page for more information. Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart. Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on metal bar. Each bar is 1.3" (3 cm) height, length is determined by chosen rank Rank tile dimensions are 1/2" (12.7 mm)width x 3/4" (19 mm) height and about 1/8" (3.2 mm). Tiles are mounted with 1/4" (6.4 mm) spaces between them. Rank tiles are translucent.  
For level two certification (if applicable): Belt box, code cylinder, and rank badge configuration is consistent with film canon officers.  
 
Code Cylinders
For 501st approval: Two code cylinders are worn on the uniform, one in each cylinder pocket. Dosimeter style: True radiation dosimeters or exact replicas, with correct clip and blue top.  
For level two certification (if applicable): Dosimeters have a silver, non-brass, clip  
 
Belt
For 501st approval: The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or leather-like material. It is approximately 2" (50.8mm) tall. The belt is loopless. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The belt is worn with the snap on the left of the wearer. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal or metal-like material. The buckle size is approximately 2 1/2" (65 mm) high and 4" (100 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. Refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.   
For level two certification (if applicable): Belt is made of leather. Between 2" (50.8 mm) and 3" (76.2 mm) tall. Buckle has a slight horizontal curve. Belt has a groove 1/4" from the top and bottom edge along the length of the belt.  
 
 
Jodhpur Trousers, black
For 501st approval: Fabric is a medium weight suiting material, the weave matches the tunic material. Flared riding breeches are canon, with semi-stiff flares to the hip/thigh area. Breeches are worn neatly tucked into tall boots. If pockets are included they are not visible with the tunic on.  
For level two certification (if applicable): Flare is more triangular in shape than other officers Pants are made from a wool twill.  
Officer Boots
For 501st approval: Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material. Rubber is not acceptable. PVC or synthetic material is allowed as long as it gives the appearance of leather. There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration. Boots have conservative heels. If zippers are present, they are hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft. Not visible from the front, side or back. The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.   
For level two certification (if applicable): Boots do not have a zipper.  
For level three certification (if applicable): Boots are made of leather. Not vinyl or PVC. Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.  
  Gloves
For 501st approval: Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a non-textured leather or leather-like material. Gloves have a plain back and no visible adornments  
For level two certification (if applicable): Gloves have a button on the palm at the wrist Gloves made of leather Gloves end just past the wrist  
 
References
Bozeden Jeems, Visual Guide
 
 
 
 
Bozeden Jeems, Behind the Scenes

 
Bozeden Jeems, Screengrab

 
Flashback Krennic Tunic, Visual Guide

 
Flashback Krennic Tunic, Screengrabs
 
 
 
My uniform
    
 
Of course, main question is, would my costume be approvable as a generic Rogue One ISB officer?

Hi all, I'd like to propose the following CRL. I've been working on a generic Rogue One ISB Officer based on Bozeden Jeems as seen in the visual guide. Since Jeems is wearing the same costume as Krennic does in his Flashback scene I think generic ISB officers could be added to the reference library just like the ANH ISB officer based on Yularens uniform.
 
CRL Suggestion
 
Imperial Hat, black
For 501st approval:
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall. Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high. Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with 6 or 7 concentric stitches. Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical flap.   
For level two certification (if applicable): Code Disk has a notch detail on the outermost disk.  
For level three certification (if applicable): Code disk exactly matches screen-used prop.  
 
Tunic
For 501st approval: White wool or wool-like twill weave. Double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. Yoke wraps across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam. The standing collar has square corners and is 2" (5 cm) tall. Collar closes snugly and includes a modesty panel behind closure. Two code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket located half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole. Wrist length sleeves without decoration, cuffs or buttons.  
For level two certification (if applicable): There is a dart of about 2" (50.8 mm) in the top center of the yoke. There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt. The back of the tunic has princess seams that run vertically and turn outward to intersect the arm-hole seam at the vertical center.  
For level three certification (if applicable): Tunic must be secured on the right side by snaps or buttons, not Velcro. There is no topstitching visible anywhere and it must have a lining sewn in.  
 
Rank Bar
For 501st approval: See the Imperial Rank Bar page for more information. Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart. Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on metal bar. Each bar is 1.3" (3 cm) height, length is determined by chosen rank Rank tile dimensions are 1/2" (12.7 mm)width x 3/4" (19 mm) height and about 1/8" (3.2 mm). Tiles are mounted with 1/4" (6.4 mm) spaces between them. Rank tiles are translucent.  
For level two certification (if applicable): Belt box, code cylinder, and rank badge configuration is consistent with film canon officers.  
 
Code Cylinders
For 501st approval: Two code cylinders are worn on the uniform, one in each cylinder pocket. Dosimeter style: True radiation dosimeters or exact replicas, with correct clip and blue top.  
For level two certification (if applicable): Dosimeters have a silver, non-brass, clip  
 
Belt
For 501st approval: The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or leather-like material. It is approximately 2" (50.8mm) tall. The belt is loopless. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The belt is worn with the snap on the left of the wearer. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal or metal-like material. The buckle size is approximately 2 1/2" (65 mm) high and 4" (100 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. Refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.   
For level two certification (if applicable): Belt is made of leather. Between 2" (50.8 mm) and 3" (76.2 mm) tall. Buckle has a slight horizontal curve. Belt has a groove 1/4" from the top and bottom edge along the length of the belt.  
 
 
Jodhpur Trousers, black
For 501st approval: Fabric is a medium weight suiting material, the weave matches the tunic material. Flared riding breeches are canon, with semi-stiff flares to the hip/thigh area. Breeches are worn neatly tucked into tall boots. If pockets are included they are not visible with the tunic on.  
For level two certification (if applicable): Flare is more triangular in shape than other officers Pants are made from a wool twill.  
Officer Boots
For 501st approval: Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material. Rubber is not acceptable. PVC or synthetic material is allowed as long as it gives the appearance of leather. There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration. Boots have conservative heels. If zippers are present, they are hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft. Not visible from the front, side or back. The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.   
For level two certification (if applicable): Boots do not have a zipper.  
For level three certification (if applicable): Boots are made of leather. Not vinyl or PVC. Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.  
  Gloves
For 501st approval: Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a non-textured leather or leather-like material. Gloves have a plain back and no visible adornments  
For level two certification (if applicable): Gloves have a button on the palm at the wrist Gloves made of leather Gloves end just past the wrist  
 
References
Bozeden Jeems, Visual Guide
 
 
 
 
Bozeden Jeems, Behind the Scenes

 
Bozeden Jeems, Screengrab

 
Flashback Krennic Tunic, Visual Guide

 
Flashback Krennic Tunic, Screengrabs
 
 
 
My uniform
    
 
Of course, main question is, would my costume be approvable as a generic Rogue One ISB officer?

Hi all, I'd like to propose the following CRL. I've been working on a generic Rogue One ISB Officer based on Bozeden Jeems as seen in the visual guide. Since Jeems is wearing the same costume as Krennic does in his Flashback scene I think generic ISB officers could be added to the reference library just like the ANH ISB officer based on Yularens uniform.
 
CRL Suggestion
 
Imperial Hat, black
For 501st approval:
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall. Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high. Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with 6 or 7 concentric stitches. Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical flap.   
For level two certification (if applicable): Code Disk has a notch detail on the outermost disk.  
For level three certification (if applicable): Code disk exactly matches screen-used prop.  
 
Tunic
For 501st approval: White wool or wool-like twill weave. Double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. Yoke wraps across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam. The standing collar has square corners and is 2" (5 cm) tall. Collar closes snugly and includes a modesty panel behind closure. Two code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket located half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole. Wrist length sleeves without decoration, cuffs or buttons.  
For level two certification (if applicable): There is a dart of about 2" (50.8 mm) in the top center of the yoke. There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt. The back of the tunic has princess seams that run vertically and turn outward to intersect the arm-hole seam at the vertical center.  
For level three certification (if applicable): Tunic must be secured on the right side by snaps or buttons, not Velcro. There is no topstitching visible anywhere and it must have a lining sewn in.  
 
Rank Bar
For 501st approval: See the Imperial Rank Bar page for more information. Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart. Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on metal bar. Each bar is 1.3" (3 cm) height, length is determined by chosen rank Rank tile dimensions are 1/2" (12.7 mm)width x 3/4" (19 mm) height and about 1/8" (3.2 mm). Tiles are mounted with 1/4" (6.4 mm) spaces between them. Rank tiles are translucent.  
For level two certification (if applicable): Belt box, code cylinder, and rank badge configuration is consistent with film canon officers.  
 
Code Cylinders
For 501st approval: Two code cylinders are worn on the uniform, one in each cylinder pocket. Dosimeter style: True radiation dosimeters or exact replicas, with correct clip and blue top.  
For level two certification (if applicable): Dosimeters have a silver, non-brass, clip  
 
Belt
For 501st approval: The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or leather-like material. It is approximately 2" (50.8mm) tall. The belt is loopless. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The belt is worn with the snap on the left of the wearer. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal or metal-like material. The buckle size is approximately 2 1/2" (65 mm) high and 4" (100 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. Refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.   
For level two certification (if applicable): Belt is made of leather. Between 2" (50.8 mm) and 3" (76.2 mm) tall. Buckle has a slight horizontal curve. Belt has a groove 1/4" from the top and bottom edge along the length of the belt.  
 
 
Jodhpur Trousers, black
For 501st approval: Fabric is a medium weight suiting material, the weave matches the tunic material. Flared riding breeches are canon, with semi-stiff flares to the hip/thigh area. Breeches are worn neatly tucked into tall boots. If pockets are included they are not visible with the tunic on.  
For level two certification (if applicable): Flare is more triangular in shape than other officers Pants are made from a wool twill.  
Officer Boots
For 501st approval: Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material. Rubber is not acceptable. PVC or synthetic material is allowed as long as it gives the appearance of leather. There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration. Boots have conservative heels. If zippers are present, they are hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft. Not visible from the front, side or back. The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.   
For level two certification (if applicable): Boots do not have a zipper.  
For level three certification (if applicable): Boots are made of leather. Not vinyl or PVC. Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.  
  Gloves
For 501st approval: Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a non-textured leather or leather-like material. Gloves have a plain back and no visible adornments  
For level two certification (if applicable): Gloves have a button on the palm at the wrist Gloves made of leather Gloves end just past the wrist  
 
References
Bozeden Jeems, Visual Guide
 
 
 
 
Bozeden Jeems, Behind the Scenes

 
Bozeden Jeems, Screengrab

 
Flashback Krennic Tunic, Visual Guide

 
Flashback Krennic Tunic, Screengrabs
 
 
 
My uniform
    
 
Of course, main question is, would my costume be approvable as a generic Rogue One ISB officer?