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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from Tutanchseth in The origins of names and ranks for Imperial Officers
The curious case of Colonel Yularen. First named in 1995 for the card game. The card game decided that the white uniforms were ISB, an organization first named in the West End Games Imperial Sourcebook.
This guy was never meant to have a name with a simpler costume than Tarkin, Tagge or Motti, he was meant to be seen from the background. The style of uniforms were intended to be of an Imperial "air force" variety that Motti would wear, but the actor couldn't fit into it.
Fast forward to 2008 when Dave Filoni decides to use the character in the Clone Wars animation. He briefly thought this was a Grand Admiral and decided to have Anikan's personal admiral to be this guy. Until Filoni realized too late that he would later be a colonel. Oh well, Filoni said he would make it work... and he did.
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from Tutanchseth in The origins of names and ranks for Imperial Officers
There are not a lot of names used in the original trilogy. Governor Tarkin is named, but none of the other officers by name in the film. They would get names in the novelization like Cass, Romodi and Tagge. With Romodi taking Motti's lines in the film. They didn't even have ranks properly assigned to them.
In 1978, there would be an attempt to expand on Tagge by showing his family in the marvel comics run. The general's family would own a wealthy business conglomerate and his elder brother would even be a Baron that would spar with Darth Vader.
The first real delving into who they were came about in 1988 with West End Game's first expansions to their popular role playing games. The character profiles from A New Hope would give backgrounds on who they were, their ranks and what they did.
The rank and name game would take off in 1995 with Decipher's Star Wars customizable card game. For the first time ever, everyone was given a name. Near everyone was given a rank. If it was a person, ship, location or piece of equipment, it was made into a card. Tarkin, Motti and Tagge would appear, but now we had Chief Bast, Colonel Yularen, Captain Kurghee Commander Praji and others.
This was awesome because we got background and story that has continued to today. The problem was, there was no attempt to make sense of the rank structure when they assigned ranks. At the time Lucasfilm really didn't care. This was all part of the marking plans to bring Star Wars back... and what would be brought back would not be original trilogy, but prequels... so who cares right?
The thing is, the cards immediately contradicted one another.
Commander Daine Jir is listed as a commander.
All the others of the same rank are called Lieutenants.
But that is also the danger of calling someone "commander" Tagge is called commander, Praji, Igar and many others... all with different rank bars.
But this was the start.... it became something that immediately entered into all of the visual guides. It quickly started to be adopted by authors everywhere. Moreover, Lucasfilm started to note there was a story behind every name and going forward, instead of someone else naming these characters, it would come directly from Lucasfilm.
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buckrogersbarker reacted to Steven in The origins of names and ranks for Imperial Officers
Nice stuff as always
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buckrogersbarker reacted to pben in The origins of names and ranks for Imperial Officers
Always happy to learn about 'History of Galaxies far, far away'. I really don't understand why this is not taught at schools...:)
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from pben in The origins of names and ranks for Imperial Officers
There are not a lot of names used in the original trilogy. Governor Tarkin is named, but none of the other officers by name in the film. They would get names in the novelization like Cass, Romodi and Tagge. With Romodi taking Motti's lines in the film. They didn't even have ranks properly assigned to them.
In 1978, there would be an attempt to expand on Tagge by showing his family in the marvel comics run. The general's family would own a wealthy business conglomerate and his elder brother would even be a Baron that would spar with Darth Vader.
The first real delving into who they were came about in 1988 with West End Game's first expansions to their popular role playing games. The character profiles from A New Hope would give backgrounds on who they were, their ranks and what they did.
The rank and name game would take off in 1995 with Decipher's Star Wars customizable card game. For the first time ever, everyone was given a name. Near everyone was given a rank. If it was a person, ship, location or piece of equipment, it was made into a card. Tarkin, Motti and Tagge would appear, but now we had Chief Bast, Colonel Yularen, Captain Kurghee Commander Praji and others.
This was awesome because we got background and story that has continued to today. The problem was, there was no attempt to make sense of the rank structure when they assigned ranks. At the time Lucasfilm really didn't care. This was all part of the marking plans to bring Star Wars back... and what would be brought back would not be original trilogy, but prequels... so who cares right?
The thing is, the cards immediately contradicted one another.
Commander Daine Jir is listed as a commander.
All the others of the same rank are called Lieutenants.
But that is also the danger of calling someone "commander" Tagge is called commander, Praji, Igar and many others... all with different rank bars.
But this was the start.... it became something that immediately entered into all of the visual guides. It quickly started to be adopted by authors everywhere. Moreover, Lucasfilm started to note there was a story behind every name and going forward, instead of someone else naming these characters, it would come directly from Lucasfilm.
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buckrogersbarker reacted to Trachta in The origins of names and ranks for Imperial Officers
This is a cool thread! I never quite grasped before that the names of many background characters weren't named until the games and books came out. Now I noticed the modern movies try to give every background character a name beforehand, and Lucasfilm seems to be trying to make sure the First Order ranks are consistent.
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from rattleandburn in The origins of names and ranks for Imperial Officers
they come from the a branch of the imperial government organizational chart in the West End Games Role playing game. But they got the white uniforms in the card game. And then people started to add to them as time went on.
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from rattleandburn in The origins of names and ranks for Imperial Officers
The curious case of Colonel Yularen. First named in 1995 for the card game. The card game decided that the white uniforms were ISB, an organization first named in the West End Games Imperial Sourcebook.
This guy was never meant to have a name with a simpler costume than Tarkin, Tagge or Motti, he was meant to be seen from the background. The style of uniforms were intended to be of an Imperial "air force" variety that Motti would wear, but the actor couldn't fit into it.
Fast forward to 2008 when Dave Filoni decides to use the character in the Clone Wars animation. He briefly thought this was a Grand Admiral and decided to have Anikan's personal admiral to be this guy. Until Filoni realized too late that he would later be a colonel. Oh well, Filoni said he would make it work... and he did.
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from rattleandburn in The origins of names and ranks for Imperial Officers
There are not a lot of names used in the original trilogy. Governor Tarkin is named, but none of the other officers by name in the film. They would get names in the novelization like Cass, Romodi and Tagge. With Romodi taking Motti's lines in the film. They didn't even have ranks properly assigned to them.
In 1978, there would be an attempt to expand on Tagge by showing his family in the marvel comics run. The general's family would own a wealthy business conglomerate and his elder brother would even be a Baron that would spar with Darth Vader.
The first real delving into who they were came about in 1988 with West End Game's first expansions to their popular role playing games. The character profiles from A New Hope would give backgrounds on who they were, their ranks and what they did.
The rank and name game would take off in 1995 with Decipher's Star Wars customizable card game. For the first time ever, everyone was given a name. Near everyone was given a rank. If it was a person, ship, location or piece of equipment, it was made into a card. Tarkin, Motti and Tagge would appear, but now we had Chief Bast, Colonel Yularen, Captain Kurghee Commander Praji and others.
This was awesome because we got background and story that has continued to today. The problem was, there was no attempt to make sense of the rank structure when they assigned ranks. At the time Lucasfilm really didn't care. This was all part of the marking plans to bring Star Wars back... and what would be brought back would not be original trilogy, but prequels... so who cares right?
The thing is, the cards immediately contradicted one another.
Commander Daine Jir is listed as a commander.
All the others of the same rank are called Lieutenants.
But that is also the danger of calling someone "commander" Tagge is called commander, Praji, Igar and many others... all with different rank bars.
But this was the start.... it became something that immediately entered into all of the visual guides. It quickly started to be adopted by authors everywhere. Moreover, Lucasfilm started to note there was a story behind every name and going forward, instead of someone else naming these characters, it would come directly from Lucasfilm.
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buckrogersbarker reacted to GDMorti in The origins of names and ranks for Imperial Officers
Hah! I had no idea that the ISB as a whole were spawned from a card game, I thought they'd been intentional the entire time! The more you know. <3
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from GDMorti in The origins of names and ranks for Imperial Officers
The curious case of Colonel Yularen. First named in 1995 for the card game. The card game decided that the white uniforms were ISB, an organization first named in the West End Games Imperial Sourcebook.
This guy was never meant to have a name with a simpler costume than Tarkin, Tagge or Motti, he was meant to be seen from the background. The style of uniforms were intended to be of an Imperial "air force" variety that Motti would wear, but the actor couldn't fit into it.
Fast forward to 2008 when Dave Filoni decides to use the character in the Clone Wars animation. He briefly thought this was a Grand Admiral and decided to have Anikan's personal admiral to be this guy. Until Filoni realized too late that he would later be a colonel. Oh well, Filoni said he would make it work... and he did.
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buckrogersbarker reacted to andylah in Thrawn (Comic Adaptation)
Gotta say this was the highlight of my reading the comic book so far
Now we just have to patiently wait for a proper bearded officer....
(and I need to do a rerun of the 9th bearded patches)
really enjoyed reading the first issue and its got be re-reading the book again
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buckrogersbarker reacted to Steven in Pre Battle of Yavin Imperial Naval Ranks
Thanks to Glyn dillon we know all the ranks from Rogue One, even if they had not been named on screen:
They are already included in the official IOC Rank Bar Guide which can be found here:
But I enjoyed watching your presentation and it's a nice piece of work
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buckrogersbarker reacted to jaygoodrich66 in I got Re Approved!
I upgraded my Warrant Officer and today go approved for my Staff Officer!
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from Wombat in Han Solo movie, Imperial Officer Uniforms (spoilerish)
You can tweet Glyn Dillon and he will respond to you. He shares information there and with his Instagram account. A while back he gave the entire rank structure for the empire, including the names of the services
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buckrogersbarker reacted to trencher in Han Solo movie, Imperial Officer Uniforms (spoilerish)
I second that. The man is awesome when it comes to being open and talkative with us.
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buckrogersbarker reacted to Mitthrawnuruodo in Star Wars Officer Lore
"There's always a bit of truth in Legends"
Armand Isard is cannon, he was mentioned in Tarkin.
So see, not everyone knows everything. As long as everyone is open to collaboration I think this is going to be a huge hit!
I think citing the source (like I just did) is a great idea. Name of the source (comic, show, movie, book, etc.) year it was published, maybe who published it (dark horse comics, del rey books, marvel comics, etc.)
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buckrogersbarker reacted to Mitthrawnuruodo in Dawn of the Empire - The Imperial Navy
I loved those stories.
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from Tutanchseth in Star Wars Officer Lore
I have been thinking of doing a weekly post on the lore of different officers from the Star Wars saga. Officers from the Republic, the Empire, the First Order and all the nooks and crannies of all the 40 years of material out there: the movies, but also the comic books, video games, novels, role playing games... you name it. The history is rich and Lucasfilm does do a pretty good job of curating it all.
I don't know if this is the best place to post it, but that is ok, it can be moved later. So feel free to post what you want, add to these or comment on any of these kinds of posts. You don't have to follow my format. I plan on putting in the era, the service, rank and name of the characters in the title or a description of the lore if it is more general. I have met so many people that have been fans of Star Wars for years who say "I had no idea that existed" I can't begin to tell you the times I have shoved material into the hands of people saying "This is right up your alley". I hope to give back here by doing this.
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from rattleandburn in Jon Favreau Star Wars series
He put the marvel cinematic universe on sound footing long before Disney came in to buy it. He’s a sound story teller and he knows the lore. He’s a good pick.
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from trencher in Rebels Finale
If a star destroyer could throw up shields to keep the atmosphere in when it’s hull is pierced (as it did in the first season), I am sure the bridge could too.
now a whole ship crashing through the bridge? That’s a horse of another color
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from lantern2745 in Star Wars Officer Lore
I have been thinking of doing a weekly post on the lore of different officers from the Star Wars saga. Officers from the Republic, the Empire, the First Order and all the nooks and crannies of all the 40 years of material out there: the movies, but also the comic books, video games, novels, role playing games... you name it. The history is rich and Lucasfilm does do a pretty good job of curating it all.
I don't know if this is the best place to post it, but that is ok, it can be moved later. So feel free to post what you want, add to these or comment on any of these kinds of posts. You don't have to follow my format. I plan on putting in the era, the service, rank and name of the characters in the title or a description of the lore if it is more general. I have met so many people that have been fans of Star Wars for years who say "I had no idea that existed" I can't begin to tell you the times I have shoved material into the hands of people saying "This is right up your alley". I hope to give back here by doing this.
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from Mynock in Dawn of the Empire - The Imperial Navy
From the recent Darth Vader series of comics by Marvel
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buckrogersbarker got a reaction from Wombat in Color for line officer poncho?
No green line officers wore green ponchos in Rogue One because they never made any. Black security branch officers wore black ponchos.... and Krennic had his.
this may be different with the upcoming Solo movie, but we will have to see. I want a green one anyway because I will wear it to cons, not official Troops.
It makes sense that they would be there, but to do so would open the door to a lot of things that “make sense” in some people’s minds but not to others. So for now......