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I'm fine with this.

We don’t have long to wait to hear what these are called.  There is an entire scene where Han Solo picks his service branch and what he does. I think we will be getting proper names shortly.  

These productions are mixing.  While one is being filmed, another one is on deck 

Perhaps the CRL should include both versions as an option because both seem to be used in the movie.

We don’t have long to wait to hear what these are called.  There is an entire scene where Han Solo picks his service branch and what he does. I think we will be getting proper names shortly.  

The black officers in Rogue one are definitively security officers. I am quoting the Lieutenant Milton Putna entry from page 147 of the Star Wars Rogue One - The Ultimate visual Guide   "A librarian-turned-security officer, Putna is well versed with the layout of the datatape library tree. Acess into the main vault door is keyed to his palm print."
 
On page 117 Captain Shaef Corrsin, which is wearing what we call a line officer uniform, is called a "Imperial Navy officer".

Thanks, Steven. I do the best I can to serve the Galatic Empire.
 
What about the name I found for the green officers in Rogue One? On page 117 of the Star Wars Rogue One - The Ultimate visual Guide Captain Shaef Corrsin, which is wearing what we call a line officer uniform, is called a "Imperial Navy officer". I would really prefer to call them "Imperial Navy officer" instead of line officer and it does also sound a lot better as the name Starfleet officer that @buckrogersbarker suggested, which sound to much like Star Trek to me.

As a historian I love every piece of written evidence, I just leave this here so that everyone can see it:
 

 
Good spot Patricia!

Veer's uniform is no different than Piett, Ozzel's or Needa's in ESB
Motti's uniform is no different that Tagge's in ANH
It is a combined service.   The guys in green with specialization to do different things.

Now the guys in black... they are something different.  On the Death Star those were Krennic's men.   The run the docking bays, guard the data vault, staff the detention bays, control the shield gates, run the shields on the second death star..... all of that has a thread running through it: security.  And the guy that designed the uniforms in question called them: Security and Stormtrooper branch.  Granted I am not a fan of calling them stormtroopers because some of them would not fit into armor.  But security sounds like a nice fit.  John Mollo considered them the SS of the empire.  They are right there with the army and navy guys doing their own thing with an ideological bent to their mission.  

As you can see in the hashtag.  Dillon gave this to us because he thought we would act on it.  These are going to be the same uniforms, ranks and costume designer for Solo as was in Rogue One.  Disney is using economies of scale.
 
 

Mh, if it's correct that the black uniform they used in Rogue One will also be seen in Solo I don't think it's a good idea to name in after one movie. But I don't like "Pre ANH" , BBY Staff Officer" or other variants either. 
We could go for "security service"s for the uniforms before and "staff officer" after ANH, but I'm afraid that will confuse people more than it helps.

The ones in ANH were the 451 style 

I'm a sucker for a crisp uniform. <3

Why the Empire?  

Because it works.  The Republic of the last hundred years was rife with corruption and the worst individuals not concerned with the people but their own position and aggrandizement.  The elected monarchy of Naboo served as a model for then Chancellor Palpatine to ensure that the best interests of the galaxy were always first and foremost of his reign.  He even purged the unelected mystical elites called the “jedi” who tried to murder him and take control of the galaxy at the end of the Clone Wars.  

Under the Emperor’s reign we no longer have the war started by the Jedi Master Count Dooku, and the corporate interests of alien organizations like Trade Federation, the Techno Union, the Banking Clan now are used for the benefit of everyone.  The Empire is the only way beings around the galaxy can go about their lives free from the fear of chaos and murder.  The brave men and women of the Imperial Starfleet hold back the deluge.

I am going to be jumping on this one soon, and doing it this way would be so much better

I read the comic and the cadets never wore a helmet. We could discuss wether it's something only army recruits wear, or it's special to a certain academy e.g. Coruscant without and Lothal with helmet. But in the end we have different sources with different results. I don't see any reason to give Rebels a preference and dump the Thrawn comic, especially when the optional helmet would allow both versions.

I get what Jeff's saying, but I agree that it should be optional - or a separate CRL if we can show it's only for STs - but then who would it fall under, really?
 
I like the idea of more add-on uniforms, in the way that TIE Reserve Pilot leads to TIE Pilot, or a Line Officer can also become an AT-AT Commander. I'm not sure that's entirely analogous, but I think there's sufficient evidence here to make the helmet optional at any rate.

I don’t know how you can have more requirements for level 1 than for the higher levels.  Officer hats and stormtrooper helmets are part of their ensembles.  The evidence provided here shows that these helmets are not.  They are first students after all.
 
It is a generic cadet uniform of which there are many cadets seen in the new publication. The helmet is not always with them.  It never appears in the Thrawn comic and it is sometimes omitted in the other children’s books.
 
To make it required for level 1 is to require something that the very characters in the sources are not required. 

Yeah I mean obviously a GML with any sense would just allow any hidden closure. You never see a closure on the foldover tunics so go with what sits subtly and holds well. But if a GML was to get nitpicky and require hook and eye closures, that would potentially sit really awkwardly, not hold very well, pull strangely...

Hi guys

Please can the closure information for all current First Order tunic CRLs be looked at when possible? Just a few small wording amendments.

Lieutenant/Captain/General/Hux - Can "Buck" clasps be replaced with the correct word "Busk"? "Buck clasp" is a typo from what I can tell. Technically, they should just be hook and eye closures, and not busk at all. If you google busk, it's very difficult to understand what exactly you need to use for these uniforms. If we want to get super technical, "Wide hook and eye closures" will bring up the most accurate results if googled without needing to specify sizes, brands etc.

Major/Colonel - As this is so reminiscent of the Imperial tunics, is there no reason why hidden snaps could not be used here? It's a foldover tunic, hook and eyes would probably be unhelpful. Use of hook and eyes were not mentioned in the submitted CRL draft, only that closures, whatever they were, be hidden. The CRL tunic actually uses snaps, too

The closures on LT/Cap/Gen/Hux are super specific and really important to the look, they're seen on screen so many times, so I think any and all help we can give makers and GML's in "what is correct" will be very beneficial. As for the blue uniforms, specifying hook and eyes is incorrect and unhelpful, when they should be using hidden snaps I would imagine. Placement and number is entirely at the whim of the builder so long as they're hidden, much like all the other foldover tunics should be.

Thankyou!

I would vote to have the helmet optional.
Jeff does make a good point with the comparison to the officer hat, I more often don't wear my green one then do wear it.
Added bonus if the helmet is optional - We might have more people try and make that costume happen. I don't know too many people making those helmets and those that are I'm sure aren't pumping out hundreds a day for low low prices.
 
If I had to guess, purely a guess with no research or facts behind it, in Rebels they have the helmets because they're training to be TKs or Drivers. But now with the Thrawn comic we see all cadets, no matter what branch they're going into, wear the suits. Probably something that came later on in development and not right away when they were designing the costumes for Rebels.

This CRL is based on my analysis of screen caps of ANH and my  research about officers tunics of the Russian Imperial Army. The book Star Wars Costumes: The Original Trilogy states on page 21 that those uniforms were used in ANH.
 
Links to my research:
 
This is a work in progress because I am still not a 100 percent sure which version of the tunic was used for the ISBs in ANH. I hope that some people will add their knowledge to the process. Changes to the old ISB CRL are in green. I also took out the information about the Rogue One version of the ISB tunic. Everything that is not visible in the movie but has to be there can be found in level 3.
 
 
 
Required Costume Components
The following costume components are present and appear as described below.
 
 
Imperial Hat, black
For 501st approval:
 
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall. Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high. Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with 5, 6 or 7 concentric stitches. Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical flap.   
For level two certification (if applicable):
 
Code Disk has a notch detail on the outermost disk.  
For level three certification (if applicable):
 
Code disk exactly matches screen-used prop.  
 
Tunic
For 501st approval:
 
The tunic should be a off white or cream color Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. Yoke comes straight across from the collar center not coming up to the shoulder seam. The standing collar has square corners. It covers ½ or 2/3 of the neck. It closes with two hooks and eyse or one large hook. It does not have a modesty panel. Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons, containing 2 seams, one along the bottom and one along the back. (moved to level 3) The ISB uniform shall not have the standard code cylinder pockets. Princess seams on the back shall be optional for this tunic. Darts and princess seams on the front are permitted for a better fit of the tunic A seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing the top from the skirt is optional.  
For level two certification (if applicable):
 
There is a dart that goes from the top center of the yoke to bout the height of the rank bar. The point of the yoke goes slightly up to the shoulder  
For level three certification (if applicable):
 
There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt. The back of the tunic has princess seams that run vertically and turn outward to intersect the arm-hole seam at the vertical center. There is a seam that runs down the middle of the back Sleeves have a seam that slits the sleeve into a upper sleeve and a lower sleeve The sleeves have cuffs. The material of the tunic is wool Lining is optional. Tunic must be secured on the right side by snaps or buttons, not Velcro. There is no topstitching visible anywhere and it must have a lining sewn in.  
 
Rank Bar
For 501st approval:
 
See the Imperial Rank Bar page for more information. Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart. Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on metal bar. Each bar is 1" (25.4 mm) height, length is determined by chosen rank Rank tile dimensions are 1/2" (12.7 mm)width x 3/4" (19 mm) height and about 1/8" (3.2 mm). Tiles are mounted with 1/4" (6.4 mm) spaces between them. Rank tiles are translucent. There are either three red & three blue, or three blue & three red rank tiles  
For level two certification (if applicable):
 
·Belt box, code cylinder, and rank badge configuration is consistent with film canon officers.  
For level three certification (if applicable):
 
Rank consists of colored plastic push buttons mounted on a metal bar.  
 
Belt
For 501st approval:
 
The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center    Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.  
For level two certification (if applicable):
 
Belt is made of leather. Snap is worn to the left of the wearer. Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.  
 
 Trousers version 1 breeches/jodphurs
For 501st approval:
 
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic and hat. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Flared riding breeches are canon. Breeches must be worn with boots. Pockets are acceptable, although they are not visible with the tunic on.   
 
Foot wear version 1 riding boots
 
For 501st approval:
 
Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material. Rubber is not acceptable. PVC or synthetic material is allowed as long as it gives the appearance of leather. There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration. Boots have conservative heels. If zippers are present, they are hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft. Not visible from the front, side or back. The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.   
For level two certification (if applicable):
 
Boots do not have a zipper.  
For level three certification (if applicable):
 
Boots are made of leather. Not vinyl or PVC. Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots  
 
Optional Accessories
Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use.
 
 
Dress shirt
For 501st approval:
 
·         A white dress shirt may be worn under the tunic.
·         The top of the collar and sleeve cuffs may be slightly visible, protruding from under the collar & sleeves of the tunic.
 
 
Belt Boxes
For 501st approval:
 
Dimensions are approximately 2 1/2" (63.5 mm) by 3 1/2" (88.9 mm) by 1" (25.4 mm) thick.. Two boxes may be worn horizontally. The belt boxes are placed between the belt buckle and the side seam of the tunic but are closer to the side seam. Placement of the screw / rivet for the belt boxes should be on the shortest side (top and bottom for vertical belt boxes, left and right for horizontal) An uneven number of boxes is incorrect. Box surfaces are smooth and have no decoration/ hinges/ visible holes or slots that do not appear on the screen-used boxes.  
For level two certification (if applicable):
 
There is a covering on the back of each box with a slightly overlapping lip that is approximately 1/4” (6.35 mm). Covering is secured by a rivets or small screws, on the top and on the bottom.  
 
Trousers, black version 2 dress pants
 
For 501st approval:
 
 Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic and hat. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Pockets are acceptable, although not visible with the tunic on. Pants are neatly pressed or ironed. Pants smartly rest on the top of the shoes without bunching or giving any sloppy appearance.   
 
Foots wear version 2 officer dress shoes
For 501st approval:
 
Black, non-textured, leather or leather-like material. Boots are free from any visible adornment, straps, buckles (etc). Officer shoes are only worn in conjunction with straight legged trousers. Not with jodhpur style pants. Optional: These officers may wear black Chelsea/ Jodhpur boots, similar to that of Stormtrooper boots.  
For level two certification (if applicable):
 
Shoes are shined as would military dress shoe  
 
 

I just wrote a first draft of a CRL for Versio. I am not sure about the Codecylinders because their hooks are slightly different to the unsual ones. Maybe we can imply something about that in L3?
 
Admiral Garrick Versio
Required Costume Components
The following costume components are present and appear as described below.
 
 
 
Hat, black
For 501st approval:
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic and pants. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Fabric matches the pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall. Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high. Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches. Imperial Code Disk positioned in the center of the front vertical "flap."  
For level two certification (if applicable):
Code disk has a notch in it on the outermost disk. The notch points downwards There are 5 concentric stitches on the front bill    
 
 
Tunic, white
For 501st approval:
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the hat and pants. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. The right side of the double breast has it's top edge positioned 1-2" underneath the collarbone when the tunic is closed The standing collar has square corners and is about 1.6" (40 mm) tall. Collar closes snugly. A modesty panel may be present but is not required. Collar edges are closed with two eye hooks. There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole. Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons. Sleeves contain 2 seams. One along the bottom and one along the back. Tunic is constructed with no top-stitching (stitches visible on the exterior surface of fabric) Hook and eye fasteners on the uniform should not be visible.  
For level two certification (if applicable):
There is a dart of about 2" (50.8 mm) in the top center of the yoke. There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt. The back of the tunic has princess seams that run vertically and turn outward to intersect the arm-hole seam at the vertical center. The back of the tunic contains a center seam running from the collar-seam to the lower end of the tunic. For level three certification (if applicable):
Tunic is secured on the right side by snaps or buttons. Not hook and loop fastener (Velcro). There is no top-stitching visible anywhere. A lining is preferred but not required. The code-cylinder-pockets are constructed as one-sided piped pockets or single welt-pockets  
 
 
 
Rank Bar
For 501st approval:
See the Imperial Rank Bar page for more information. Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart. Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on metal bar. Each bar is 1" (25.4 mm) height, length is determined by chosen rank Rank tile dimensions are 1/2" (12.7 mm)width x 3/4" (19 mm) height and about 1/8" (3.2 mm). Tiles are mounted with 1/4" (6.4 mm) spaces between them. Rank tiles are translucent. Color quantity and combinations are determined by rank, and are appropriate to uniform type. Examples: No Grand Moffs wear black uniforms with hats. Grand Admiral rank matches Grand Admiral uniform (etc.)  
For level two certification (if applicable):
Multiple tile rows are made from two separate metal strips, one atop the other and meeting together flush. Double row rank bars are not allowed for staff (black uniformed) officers. For level three certification (if applicable):
Rank consists of colored plastic push buttons mounted on a metal bar. Belt box, code cylinder, and rank badge configuration is consistent with film canon officers.  
 
 
 
Code Cylinders
For 501st approval:
Two Code Cylinders are worn. Modified: silver "chalk holder" tube with short clip, top is colored Blue. Dosimeter style: True Dosimeter with correct clip and Blue top.  
For level two certification (if applicable):
Only real or replica dosimeters are used. The code cylinders are exact replicas of the digital model in Battlefront 2.
 
 
 
 
Belt
For 501st approval:
The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center.      Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.  
For level two certification (if applicable):
Belt is made of leather. Buckle is not durved Snap is worn to the left of the wearer.   
 
 
 
Jodphur Trousers, black
For 501st approval:
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Flared riding breeches are canon, with semi-stiff flares to the hip/thigh area. Breeches are worn with boots. Pockets are acceptable, although are not visible with the tunic on.  
 
 
 
Officer Boots
For 501st approval:
Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material. Rubber is not acceptable. PVC or synthetic material is allowed as long as it gives the appearance of leather. There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration. Boots have conservative heels. If zippers are present, they are hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft. Not visible from the front, side or back. The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.  
For level two certification (if applicable):
Boots do not have a zipper. For level three certification (if applicable):
Boots are made of leather. Not vinyl or PVC. Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.  
 
 
 
 
Gloves
For 501st approval:
Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a non-textured leather or leather-like material. Enclosed fingers. No buckles, straps, etc. May have three stitched lines on the back of the hand  
 
 
 

There is a little "impossibility" within the tunics construction.
 

 
Please take an eye on the edge of the codecylinder-pocket. At a regular tunic, this edge would continue as a seam runnig to the outside to the armpit. Admiral Versios tunics soes not seem to have this seam at that place.
 

 
There would regularly be the mentioned seam:
 

 
Furthermore you can see the fabric above the pocket runs to the inside of the pocket without a visible seam or a break as well.
From a tailors point of view that is impossible. If the area above the pocket is one piece with the area beneath the pocket, there could be no more fabric running to the inside of the pocket without a seam since there would be no fabric left (this would be underneath the pockets edge on the outside). And even if we add a technically required seam there, the horizontal seam running from the pockets edge to the armpit would be equally required, because you could not sew the pockets lining in without any seam-allowance left to do so.
 
So from this point of view I am afraid we can not replicate the tunic as they designed it on the computer. We need the horizontally extra-seam that lines with the edge of the pocket to make this construction possible.
 
In the end the possible version of Versios tunic would look like this:
 

 
Any thought from our tailors about this?
 

The first issue has it all: green uniforms, grey uniforms, cadet uniforms, ensign ranks.  Can’t wait for the rest.  It’s a big deal and they did their homework 

When I first saw who Hux was, I really thought (actor-wise) he would not be believable as a general. His age might put him more realistically at being a (Army) captain or maybe major at the most, but when I saw his performance in TFA, I knew I liked him. There are brief moments in TLJ where his behavior is somewhat in question compared to his portrayal in TFA, but I mostly get where they were going with him. I still like him, and I'm glad he kept the coat.