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I have the TFA book as well, and there are two high ranking officer types within the first order, Generals and Admirals. They differ only by the rank insignias, the outer lining for the General is black, for Admirals red.
 
The uniforms in the back of the speech scene are really confusing (except the two lieutenants on the far left, with there flashing code cylinders. The rest is unclear. The uniform of the officers in the blue box Looks like some sort of tunic like the style of the OT, but the officers in the red square are wearing a type of uniform similar to Hux.
Would be nice to know some other names of the actors in the scene. Bern is labeled as a FO-general in the imdb, but the entries there are not official.

In the Aftermath trilogy it seems like the ISB has it´s own fleet. If this is correct, it would make sense to give the relkated personnel fleet-related ranks. It would also fit perfectly to the story.
 
What annoys me the most is the useless center seam in the back of the tunic. I had a discussion for months last year with about this during the approval of a line officer (that i won of course). Now it´s introduced with this... Thing.

They have recognized this when they wrote the Rogue One visual guide. concerning the rank-Plaques they said, these would be "sector-specific"  That got them out of that problem  
 
This may mean that you were a General on Bothawui and become a Floorchief on Cato Neimodia with one design of a rank-plaque only  

If we take the new canon seriously - and why shouldn´t we do this cause thats´s the reason they created the Lucasfilm Story Group - there´s a high chance that there are more ISB-Admirals than Garrick.
Thats´s my conclusion after i finished the new Leia novel where a greater number of Grand Admirals and Directors (Krennic) were mentioned.
 
A possible approach could be to 'generic' CRL for a ISB Admiral with a Lvl 2/3 auxiliary for Garrick Versio in person.

If we take the new canon seriously - and why shouldn´t we do this cause thats´s the reason they created the Lucasfilm Story Group - there´s a high chance that there are more ISB-Admirals than Garrick.
Thats´s my conclusion after i finished the new Leia novel where a greater number of Grand Admirals and Directors (Krennic) were mentioned.
 
A possible approach could be to 'generic' CRL for a ISB Admiral with a Lvl 2/3 auxiliary for Garrick Versio in person.

If we take the new canon seriously - and why shouldn´t we do this cause thats´s the reason they created the Lucasfilm Story Group - there´s a high chance that there are more ISB-Admirals than Garrick.
Thats´s my conclusion after i finished the new Leia novel where a greater number of Grand Admirals and Directors (Krennic) were mentioned.
 
A possible approach could be to 'generic' CRL for a ISB Admiral with a Lvl 2/3 auxiliary for Garrick Versio in person.

If we take the new canon seriously - and why shouldn´t we do this cause thats´s the reason they created the Lucasfilm Story Group - there´s a high chance that there are more ISB-Admirals than Garrick.
Thats´s my conclusion after i finished the new Leia novel where a greater number of Grand Admirals and Directors (Krennic) were mentioned.
 
A possible approach could be to 'generic' CRL for a ISB Admiral with a Lvl 2/3 auxiliary for Garrick Versio in person.

I´d suggest a new CRL. Although it´s 'only' an other variant of the ISB uniform, it´ll be difficult to get the information ot of a CRL that tries to illustrate three different versions of a costume. I know that this is en vogue in other detachments, but IMHO it makes them nearly unreadable.
 
As a quick shot i´d also suggest to put the unnecessary (and ugly) center-seam in a possible Lvl 3 requirement so it´s up to the creator wether or not to add it to the uniform.

I´d suggest a new CRL. Although it´s 'only' an other variant of the ISB uniform, it´ll be difficult to get the information ot of a CRL that tries to illustrate three different versions of a costume. I know that this is en vogue in other detachments, but IMHO it makes them nearly unreadable.
 
As a quick shot i´d also suggest to put the unnecessary (and ugly) center-seam in a possible Lvl 3 requirement so it´s up to the creator wether or not to add it to the uniform.

The uniform of Admiral Versio appears completely different to what we know to be an ISB-tunic. Even though some Details match, some other differ quite a lot.
 
On the front, the right side of double breasts upper edge ends a few more centimeters lower than on an ISB-tunic. And of course there are code-cylinder-pockets.
The Admirals rankbar has of course nothing to do with the well known ISB-Major-Rankbar. The hats front bill has five stitches (they have just met the CRL - lucky game-Designers  ). And the notch? Yeah, just give a it turn to 6 o'clock - maybe Versio is in deep grief about the Emperors death.
Concerning the collar it looks like there is no modesty Panel. The Clips of the code-cylinders have nothing to do with the classic ones we usually wear. Unless they tried to replicate the way Tarkin used his Clips by only hooking the cylinders up on the small upper hook.

 
On his back we can see the princess-seams (it's curve is way more tightend than we know it) and an additional center-seam in the middle. I do not know yet, if I like that...
 

 
Once again we get reminded, that game Designers and Animators do not have a good sense for real-life-tailoring  
 
But let's see what we can construct from these Basics  Hopefully a new CRL, maybe?
 

and one semi-related quality photo of Thrawn finding ART!!! in the convention center

 
 

I have the TFA book as well, and there are two high ranking officer types within the first order, Generals and Admirals. They differ only by the rank insignias, the outer lining for the General is black, for Admirals red.
 
The uniforms in the back of the speech scene are really confusing (except the two lieutenants on the far left, with there flashing code cylinders. The rest is unclear. The uniform of the officers in the blue box Looks like some sort of tunic like the style of the OT, but the officers in the red square are wearing a type of uniform similar to Hux.
Would be nice to know some other names of the actors in the scene. Bern is labeled as a FO-general in the imdb, but the entries there are not official.

As one of the GMOs of the german garrison i already put her costume in the "new to the Legion" section in the international GMO/GWL Forum, but sadly with little feedback. So i really encourage this effort to get this CRL done to be able to approve her.
 
Greetings,
 
Raphael

Hey all.
In this thread I want discuss whether a generic FO General should be approvable for the 501st or not.
Lets start with the analysis of the first scene we see in the movie: The Hux speech.
 

 
You see Hux in the foreground and many other henchmen in the background. I assume that these Henchmen are other First Order Generals. 
In the following I will discuss why I assume this with references.
 
1) Hat

 
As you can see in the picture above, all henchmen wear the same hat. The same that General Hux wears. As you can see the colors are also the same.
The only other First Order personel who wears a hat are the Lieutenants. Here's a picture of Lieutenant Mitaka.
 

 
The henchmen in the background are not Lieutenants for two obvious reasons. Lieutenants have a kinda grey suit. The henchmen in the speech scene are clearly black. Also the hat of the lieutenants are grey matching to the suit. Furthermore the Lieutenants have code cylinders which you'd see on the henchmen. In fact you can see two of them wearing something there on the left, however they differ from the others.
 
2) Vest

 
I hope you can see it. If not enlarge the picture please. We know that Hux as a split in the vest. You really have to zoom in to see that the henchmen in the background have a split there too. But it is clearly there.
 
3) Collar

 
As you can see in the picture, every henchmen has the same collar as Hux. Since the Lieutenants and Technicians also have the collar, it's not a clear prrof that these are Generals, however it is a similarity.
 
4) Last but not least the belt:

 
Every henchmen wear the exact belt buckle as you can see in the picture above. Also the Lieutenants wear this kind of belt buckle but since the suit of the Lieutenants have a very different color, it can be stated, that the henchmen in the background are NOT Lieutenants. We also have Technicians in the ranks of the First Order.
 

 
As you can see the Technicians have a black suit but you can see that the belt buckle is missing. So for obvious reasons the henchmen in the background are not Technicians. (Why would Hux want to have technicians on the platform with all the high ranked First Order personell?)
 
In summary we can clearly assume that the henchmen are First Order Generals.
 
But that is not the only reference we have up to know. The LEGO Group released for the May the 4th event a Minifigure Polybag: First Order General. Furthermore at a german convention (Sci-Fi Days at the Technikmuseum Speyer) an actor was a special guest who played a "First Order General" : Bern Collaço.
 
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Bern_Collaco
 
Quoted from the wiki article: "Bern Collaço is a British actor who played [ ... ] a general in the 2015 film Star Wars: The Force Awakens [...]"
 
The german event was not the only event where he attended as a special guest. Here is a picture of how Swindon Film and Comic Con 2016 announced Mr. Bern Collaço:

 
If you look for him on Facebook (you'll find him) you will see that he states to have played a General there too. "Storm Trooper Rogue One. 1ST Order General, Star Wars Episode VII TFA. CIA Agent, Mission Impossible 5:Rogue Nation. Train Car Diner, Spectre. "
 
Further more my local LMO who also talked to Bern Collaço at the event messaged him through Facebook and here is his reply:

 
At this point I want to say that you please desist from messaging him through his private facebook profile.
 
Based on all the references stated above my girlfriend Anna-Lena made a First Order General. I will "represent" her on the boards, since she doesnt have an account and according to her, her english isn't good enough. I have to accept the Generals opinion..hehe
 
Here are pictures of the costume:
 



 
 
Here is the draft for the CRL:
 
First Order General Hat, black

For 501st approval:
-The hat's brim is a black leather, or leather-like material protruding from the front bottom of the dome. It is curved in shape and does not obscure the wearer's eyes.
-The dome fits snugly on the head and cocks slightly back like a baseball cap.
-It is fitted to the head and does not cover the ears.
-There tall flap around the back half of the hat, snugly fitting around the dome.
-This piece is not higher than the dome of the hat, and does not overly flex outward. It is effectively vertical in respect to the rest of the hat, and viewed from the side, it's edges are tilted slightly back at an angle.
-The First Order emblem is centered in the front of the hat's dome. It is black and white.
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-First Order insignia is a metal pin, centered in the front of the hat's dome. It's approx 1 1/2" wide & 1 3/4" tall.
-The dome has a subtlety curved seam separating the front panel from rest of the hat, with a similar seam on the back part of the dome, with one vertical seam down the dome's back.
 
Tunic, First Order General, Black

For 501st approval:
-Fabric is a smooth, light to medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants and has a noticeable sheen.
-Tunic is fitted.
-The closure may use hidden side (or buck) clasps, or hook and eye closures.
-Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons.
     -First Order patch and rank insignia are sewn down on the left arm only
-The collar is snugly fitting, classic-style, and has a visible closure panel across the front of the neck, covering the zipper slider or top clasp. **It may attach to the side of the neck by Velcro, hook and eye, or any closure that does not interfere with the look of the collar.
-Tunic has epaulettes across the shoulder, from the collar to top of the arm seam seam.
     -They are completely sewn down on all sides.
-There are princess seams on the front and back, and one vertical seam down the center of the back.
-There are two horizontal front pockets (double welt pockets) on both sides of closure, right below the belt.
-The pockets have a false opening (seams) right below the true openings and are the same length. These do not have to function. 
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-Tunic material is a shiny, grosgrain or silk rayon, wrinkle-less material.
-There are two seams down the sleeves, continuing from the princess seams on the front and back.
-Tunic has a dark grey or black inner lining.
-First Order patch is centered on left bicep and is approximately 3" (7.62 cm) high 2 1/4" wide
-There is a subtle cuff seam line on both lower sleeves above the rank bands.
 
Jodphur Trousers, First Order General, Black

For 501st approval:
-Fabric is a light to medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic.
-Flared riding breeches have subtle, semi-stiff flares in the hip/thigh area, below the tunic and above the knee.
-Breeches are worn with tall, knee-high boots.
-Pockets and waist belts are acceptable, although are not visible with the tunic on.
-Stirrups may be attached to the leg bottoms to keep material tightly tucked into the boots
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-There is a fold on the legs creased from back to front, directly below the jodphur flares, tucking tightly into the boots, over the knees.
 
 
General Boots, First Order General, Black

For 501st approval:
-Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material, with moderate to high-gloss shine.
    -Rubber rain boots or Wellies are not acceptable.
    -PVC or synthetic material is allowed as long as it gives the appearance of leather.
    -Original Trilogy English Riding Boots are acceptable for basic approval.
-There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration.
-Boot seams must closely match screen-used boots.
-Boots have conservative or no heels at all. Flat soles are most accurate.
-If zippers are present, they on the inner part of the boot shaft only.
-The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-Boots have a zipper on the inner shaft.
-Soles are flat, similar to FO TK and TI soles.
-Seams and design must match screen-used boots.
 
 
Gloves, First Order General, Black

For 501st approval:
-Gloves are constructed of a non-textured, black leather or leather-like material.
-Enclosed fingers.
-Gloves are gauntlet length, fitted, and worn underneath the sleeves.
-No buckles, straps, ect.
-Gloves may have seams similar to Original Trilogy officer gloves for basic approval. 
 
 
Belt, First Order General

For 501st approval:
-The belt is constructed from a black, non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
-Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.
-Belt must fit snugly over the natural waist of the wearer.
-There are no loops on the belt.
-Sizing holes on wither side of the buckle are acceptable for basic approval.
-The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal-looking material.
-Buckle is free of decoration, greeblies or insignia.
-Buckle is rectangular, with sharp-angled edges, approximately 5 1/4" (13.3 cm) long & 2 1/2 high (6.35 cm).
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-Belt is made of leather.
-There are no sizing holes
-Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.
 
General Rank Insignia, First Order 

For 501st approval:
-Worn on the left side of arm, above the wrist and below the elbow
-Rank consists of four white bands sewn down to the sleeve.
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-Rank bands consist of two separate black bands with the white piping on the top and bottom edge of each.
 
Optional Accessories:
 
 
First Order Officer Great Coat, black
 
For 501st approval:
-Coat is long, black wool. It drapes past the knees, but above the ankles.
-It is fitted to the wearer.
-First Order patch and rank insignia appears on the left sleeve as they do on the tunic.
-First Order patch is centered on left bicep and is approximately 3" (7.62 cm) high 2 1/4" wide.
-The collar is long with a wide lapel. It must closely match the design in reference images.
-Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons.
-Coat has epaulettes across the shoulder, from the collar to top of the arm seam seam. They are completely sewn down to the shoulders.
-The coat is open and does not close. It may be worn over the shoulders like a cloak.
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-The coat has two long panels that fold back from under the armpit to the backside of the coat. They connect at a point lateral to the posterior.
-There is one vertical seam down the center of the back.
-There are two horizontal front pockets on both sides of closure, right below the waist.
-The coat has a smooth, black lining, matching the tunic's lining.
-There is a subtle cuff seam line on both lower sleeves above the rank bands.
 
Officer's Blaster, First Order

For 501st approval:
-Based on a replica Glock 19 repeating pistol, scratch-built with added greeblies, or a modified commercial replica is acceptable.
-Details to be painted black and silver per reference photos. 
 
 
Thanks for reading!
Dino
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