May I suggest for this and other Imperial trench coats that the type of sleeve cut be added? The trench coats all have the raglan style sleeves. This added to the description of having the sleeves having a seem going all the way to the collar, would help clarify and help those seeking the correct type of sewing pattern.
It doesn't look to me as though Xodell is wearing the "Mimban Officer" uniform. I don't think he has a breastplate for a start. He seems to be more the standard line officer with optional trench coat.
May I suggest for this and other Imperial trench coats that the type of sleeve cut be added? The trench coats all have the raglan style sleeves. This added to the description of having the sleeves having a seem going all the way to the collar, would help clarify and help those seeking the correct type of sewing pattern.
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First I would like to thank @kevair464, @Hask, @Hux, and everyone else involved in getting the initial CRL off the ground. It was a lot of work - and I am standing on their shoulders with my proposal here. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to weigh in on this with this write-up.
I would like to propose the following edits and additions for consideration:
1. That the name of the CRL be changed to read "Imperial Army Officer - Mimban" rather than "Officer - Mimban Lieutenant."
Reasoning: There are many more officers present on Mimban than just the Lieutenant. Many are seen in background shots, and there are two additional Imperial Army ranks that are shown on screen. Changing the title of the CRL would allow for more flexibility of choice and options for the membership.
2. That under "Trenchcoat" the faux fur collar only be required if the member is attempting to exactly replicate the look of Lieutenant Bolandin and the faux fur collar be moved to an optional item in all other circumstances. Additionally, that an option for the coat to be worn open with no belt (on the outside - naturally a belt would still be required at the waist of the tunic) be added. This will naturally require a tab, as a standard tunic will most certainly be required in that case.
Reasoning: There are several instances on screen that show Imperial Officers from both SOLO and Rogue One wearing the trench coat with no fur detail present on the collar. It appears that Lieutenant Bolandin is the only officer seen on screen wearing that particular accessory on his coat. In regards to the coat being worn open with no belt, again, there are multiple instances seen on screen both in SOLO and Rogue One where Imperial Officers are wearing the coat open without a belt.
3. That under "Rankbar" the additional ranks of Imperial Army Captain (3 red, 1 blue), and Imperial Army Major (3 red, 2 blue) be included as options.
Reasoning: The officer in the beginning of the Mimban battle scene has been positively identified as a Major (both in the canon novelization of SOLO, and in the movie itself during conversation.) In the scene where Han interrupts Beckett and Val plotting how they are going to steal an AT Hauler he confronts them and correctly surmises (as indicated by Val's reaction of "well now we have to shoot him") that Beckett and company are not Imperial Army, but rather wearing stolen uniforms and looking to steal equipment. The assertion that Beckett is wearing a genuine Imperial Army uniform is further proved when Beckett turns Han over to Lieutenant Bolandin in the next scene. The Lieutenant obviously doesn't recognize Beckett personally, but he recognizes the uniform and the rank as genuine. Finally, the origins of the armor that Beckett and Vall and Rio are wearing is explained in the canon novelization. A screen shot of the relevant passage is included, but my reading of the situation goes that the Korso character was not originally part of Beckett's gang, but rather a disgruntled Imperial military member looking for a ticket off Mimban. He got the uniforms for Beckett, Val, and Rio in exchange for joining the gang and passage off the planet. I feel that the evidence irrefutably supports the inclusion of both Captain and major as canon ranks for imperial Army Officers on Mimban.
4. That under "Code Cylinders" the text be amended to to only require code cylinders clipped to the collar of the trench coat if the member is attempting to exactly replicate the look of Lieutenant Bolandin.
Reasoning: The screenshots of the Major, and from what I could make out - all the other background officers we are able to see the fronts of, do not show any code cylinders clipped to the collar of the trench coat. The Lieutenant appears to be, again, unique in this manner of display. For what it is worth, Beckett is not wearing any code cylinders with his uniform either, but there could be any number of reasons for that, and not necessarily indicative of the dead Captain not having any either.
All this being said, I would at the very least like the CRL to be amended in title, the option be granted to wear Lieutenant, Captain, or Major rank, and that the faux fur on the collar of the trench coat be optional unless one is attempting to specifically portray Lieutenant Bolandin. If none of the edits I propose, I would appreciate those concessions.
My overarching reasoning is thus: Beckett's armor and uniform is genuine, therefore there must have been an Imperial Army Captain on Mimban otherwise Beckett would not be wearing the armor. Likewise with the Major - may whatever entity he may have believed in have mercy on his soul. Additionally, there are a multitude of screenshots that indicate Lieutenant Bolandin may very well be alone in his particular fashion choices. There is overwhelming physical evidence that indicates the fur is not standard, even on Mimban.
As far as the other accessories, such as the sidearm, the belt box, and the Yugo ammo pouch, I feel like a case for those being standard equipment can be made - not withstanding that the Lieutenant is the only officer that is seen wearing them. Whether the Major is wearing those accessories under the trench coat is unclear due to lighting and his relative short time on screen before exploding. This can be explained by the fact that the Lieutenant is the only officer with sufficient screen time to warrant proper "kitting out" as all other background officers are either not seen with their fronts to the camera, or appear for such a short period of time and in such bad lighting that it wasn't worth giving them kit as only people like us would ever notice something like that - lol
The goggles as optional accessories, as currently written into the CRL, also make sense as a standard item, even though it is only Beckett that is seen wearing them. No other officer, the Major or any of the background ones that I could see, are wearing them. That said, the Troopers have a means of shielding their eyes from flying mud, it only makes sense that officers would have that too. Why the others don't have them could be for any number of reasons.
I submit for consideration the following screenshots:
Screenshot 1a/b - This image shows Beckett and Han back to back and offers a good view of the uniform that Beckett is wearing. Present is the seam that runs down the center outside of the sleeve, the distinctive collar, and the wide cuff. Its construction and look is consistent with those worn by other Imperial Officers on Mimban, including Lieutenant Bolandin and the Major, as well as other background officers in the trench scene. It is further consistent with those trench coats worn by Imperial Officers on Jedha, which have been confirmed as the same coats. Evidance from the canon novelization indicates that this armor is genuine.
Screenshot 2a/b - This image shows the Major from the opening scene. The image has been artificially lightened and is not of the best quality unfortunately. It is confirmed that he is a Major though both in the movie, as well as in the canon novelization. You will note that the trench coat is of the same variety as that worn by Lieutenant Bolandin, Beckett, and the background officers. Additionally note that both Beckett and the Major are wearing their coats open rather than belted. Evidence suggests that both were acceptable as the background officers present a mixed bag.
Screenshot 3a/b/c - These images show a few background officers, many with their backs turned, or their coats closed. Again the lighting and the resolution are not perfect, but I do not feel that we will ever get anything better unless further shots emerge in the Making of Solo book due out later this year. They all present the same caps as the Lieutenant, Beckett, and the Major, and aside from one who appears to indeed be wearing armor from the ghost of a rank bar protrusion, whether or not they are wearing armor I feel is irrelevant. There are already three solid examples to make the case that Imperial Army Officers on Mimban wore the chest armor over their uniform.
Screenshot 4 - This image is of Imperial Officers on Jedha from Rogue One. It is included to provide a good lighting shot of the Imperial Officer trench coat, as well as to provide an example of one being worn belted and one being worn without a belt.
I welcome any discussion on this proposal, as well as if anyone has the ability to scroll through the Blu-Ray and upload better screen grabs. Mine were taken from 1080 YouTube clips and I feel like they could be better. I have also not tried to doctor them - so if anyone is good at that and can make some of those hidden details pop I would appreciate it.
I’ve wanted to be a part of the 501st for ages, ever since my first ComicCon over a decade ago. In those days, when you spoke to folks at the booth, they only promoted the idea that you can get in if and only if you build or make your costume from scratch. Well, with no sewing skills and no time to learn any due to my full-time job, school, and family, I figured it was a pipe-dream at best.
A couple of years ago I came to work in my black Staff Officer cap from Disneyland and one of my coworkers who is a big-name in my local Garrison saw the hat and told me that it was approvable as-is - this got the gears in my head turning. I’ve always loved the officers (both Imperial and Rebel) in the Star Wars universe and if there was the slimmest of chances I could get in, I would take it as an Officer.
My coworker became an unofficial advisor and told me that not only do most people commission or buy pre-made costumes, but he gave me a cost-by-cost breakdown of where to get my Staff Officer build online. Over the next few months, I slowly put together all that I would need for my initial approval, getting what I needed from places like Ebay, Amazon, CosplaySky, and Etsy.
Once I got into the Legion and once I saw that most people in my Garrison, even if they still have their Officer duds, don’t tend to troop in them, I knew that I wanted to do Officer troops more than anything. Additionally, after spending half a decade in my youth, sweating and struggling to breath in costumes at a famous theme park in Southern California where I once worked, and since I have no desire whatsoever in dealing with that crap again any time soon, I decided that for the time being, I would be my Garrison’s go-to Officer.
Someday I may look into something like a TK but that’s what everyone wants to do these days. It's great having a low-maintenance costume I can sit, Wrangle, and POC in as well. I love showing my Officer pride and spreading the IOC love and that is not going away any time soon. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Since I am not the one to ask this question, I asked my 6 year old daughter why she wanted me to get an officer uniform for her. Her reply was that they stand really tall and can tell the stormtroopers what to do. Her scowl is coming along quite well.
His presence, his humanity, his ability to get the job done.
My first uniform I made was grey, same grey as the action figure and 12" doll. After learning the color was incorrect, I think i was bummed and put the project off for many years. But I never lost the passion to become an imperial officer.
I was bummed when I later submitted my olive drab officer uniform for approval, I was told my rank badge was too widely spaced, changing it to a commander instead of a general, like Veers. I still have my armor, which has also been sitting that I recently picked back up and started working on.
Although I joined the Legion as a Tusken, the officer was the first costume I had (and the only one I wore for many years) that I actually enjoyed.
For me it’s the officers in ESB. They are very professional even in the face of Vader’s short leash and their failures. Helps that the uniform is slick as heck if it fits right!
Almost all of my favorite characters are line officers (Tarkin, Piett, Veers). I'm also a fan of high collars, for some reason (working on a Royal Navy 1805 outfit very slowly, for example).
Oh! I also played a Line Officer on a Star Wars MUSH for a very long time, but I suspect that may be a symptom of the same root cause.
I seem to remember someone talking about a Galen-specific uniform around here somewhere. I'd love to see a general "science officer" uniform. With a physics background, I'd definitely be able to spew convincing techno-babble wearing that thing
You can tweet Glyn Dillon and he will respond to you. He shares information there and with his Instagram account. A while back he gave the entire rank structure for the empire, including the names of the services
No green line officers wore green ponchos in Rogue One because they never made any. Black security branch officers wore black ponchos.... and Krennic had his.
this may be different with the upcoming Solo movie, but we will have to see. I want a green one anyway because I will wear it to cons, not official Troops.
It makes sense that they would be there, but to do so would open the door to a lot of things that “make sense” in some people’s minds but not to others. So for now......
What It said on the CRL, it is an under as "Optional Accessories".
But Line Officer with Poncho, It have been told as they may be do not have in the movie setting and people fight over it (and derailing the issues with other issues).
If you want to do the Line officer with something, go for the Trench coat instant.
But if you do want to do with Black poncho with a Line officer outfit for 501st main events, just take note that it will look really weird the color is really mismatch of color.
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