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    Rebels' Era Grand Admiral Trawn CRL discussion (inc generic Grand Admiral)

    in New CRLs

    Posted

    Allrighty then.  Hi!  One of six LMO's here.  I'm Cari.

     

    This has got to have been one of the most difficult CRL's I've worked on.  Less technically difficult and far more emotionally difficult.  The character is so well loved, so highly invested in, and so entrenched into our Star Wars culture from such a variety of media.  As an LMO, I and the rest of the LMO team want  to do justice to the costumer, the source, the character itself.  In trying so very hard to not disappoint and upset anyone, by not wishing to go too fast OR too slow ... mistakes were made and we're left with a whole heap of upset.  My boss, Brager, took a mea culpa, but I rightfully am taking one also.  The IOC is one of my assigned detachments and I am just as responsible.  

     

    Now.  I've taken a very long and exhausting think about this costume and the CRL.  I have discovered a few things and come to the conclusion of a few things.  The first is that this particular costume is fraught with the subtleties of perception.  What I mean by that is:  the character itself has been represented for so long in such a myriad of ways way before being brought to the Rebels animation, that each of our own mind's eyes have notions of his characteristics that color our perception ... that shade what we see and perceive.

     

    An example:  When you see him on Rebels, you stare and swear that his hair is black sometimes in certain light (just like some of those EU book covers or artworks) or maybe blue-black sometimes, like he's described in the 2017 novel ... instead of the dark blue it actually is throughout the Rebels cartoon, regardless of light.  It is really harder than one might think to focus so strictly on just the very specific source reference and not let details get filled in by the minds' eye from elsewhere.  Or, perhaps, you focus TOO hard on the Rebels costume only, and therefore try to replicate the animation so exactly that your animation to real-world translations seem a bit weird, silly, or hard to understand as a result.

     

    The second thing that I realized is that this character IS so well loved, IS so strongly invested in ... that regardless of everyone's best intentions, there will be hurt feelings, bruised pride, and possibly even money lost on costuming that needs redone or has been redone multiple times.  It is because of these things that I will admit to inaction and a lack of decisiveness.  But the fact of the matter is, while it is not my job to make everyone happy, it is my job to ensure that we have standards for a costume that is both accessible to your average costumer as well as as accurate as it can be.  It is a balancing act.  My first attempt at shepherding this through failed, and I will own that.  I will also own the repair.  

     

    The text of this CRL is being given a thorough audit versus the reference material (i.e. Rebels screengrabs and videos).  And extra time and care and multiple eyes upon it to absolutely make sure that preconception does not color perception.  Having already started that audit, I can tell you that Basic Acceptance Levels Text WILL be changing. As Brager said, those already approved will remain approved, and as the CRL currently states, any current applicants are on hold / must be approved by LMO.  I absolutely know that I will be upsetting some people with some of the changes made.  Please know and understand that I am making these with thought, care, and a heart that is racing and a wee voice in the back of my head saying "THEY ARE GOING TO TORCH MEEEEEEE".  

     

    I kid.  Not really.  Well, just a little.

     

    Generally, LMO's do not concern ourselves with L2/L3 reqs and programs.  Those are for the detachment to determine, although  we will likely make suggestions on the L2/3's on this particular CRL, as in regards to wordsmithing and clarifications.

     

    I should be posting the text prior to final publish in the next day or so.  

     

    Going forward, please do know and understand that, ideally, new CRL creation is supposed to be a community effort played out for all to take part in on the Detachment forums.  Not in private FB chats, not in Instagram, not on a member's FB page or group. That is not to say that those things cannot occur, but the LMO team can only focus our attention square on the forums of the detachments we are assigned.  Too much else splits things everywhere and it is hard to keep track.  In years past it was different, perhaps.  Even on this forum, there were multiple threads in multiple places on this CRL ... some in places everyone could see, some in places that were more closed.  Going forward, I will be damn sure to be keep things herded into one location, and a partner LMO is going to join me to help shoulder some of the multi-tasking required.  This whole thing is new to a lot of folks.  I can only hope that we all learn a little positive something from the experience.

     

    Yours ever so humbly and sincerely ...

     

    ~C

    Grand Admiral Thrawn Star wars Rebels

    in Rebels

    Posted

    Tunic construction is excellent.  You will need to fashion a holster to wear.  I am also of the mind that the color blue you are using for the makeup is a shade too dark, but that is mostly a polish thing.  The shoulder epaulets are too wide, in my opinion.  If you could narrow them to the width where they just fit in between the shoulder seam and the yoke line/seams, that would be fantastic. 

     

    See here, how they fit in between the lines and do not overlap?

     

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    Rebels' Era Grand Admiral Trawn CRL discussion (inc generic Grand Admiral)

    in New CRLs

    Posted

    Basic will have a seam to represent the line.  With language added in basic to allow for whatever is decided upon for L2/3 as an "or" option, mostly to keep things clear for the costumer and GML.  Be it piping or slot seams or whatever it is you decide upon.  

     

    Representing the line is not at issue. Representing the line is a basic detail and has bee done.  What appears to be at issue is agreement on how much extra emphasis this line gets in the animation, how much of that to reflect real world, and by what method to do so.  That is a L2/3 detail, as agreed upon by IOC DL and LMO yesterday.

     

    L2/3 programs are detachment specific, and not universal.  LMO staff typically do not get involved in such.  The rest of this CRL appears to be not in question, and us halting the process while the detachment debates on how to handle an L2/3 detail is not a preferred option.  (Yes, a Det can add in or change L2/3 things to the CRL when they like.  )

     

    To keep things clear and tidy, could a secondary thread be created concerning this, and debate on that specific L2/3 item localized there?

    Admiral Kassius Konstantine (Rebels) CRL WIP

    in New CRLs

    Posted

    So.  I have not spent hours looking at the screencaps  nor have I done color pick comparisons.  However, I will agree with Kris in that Konstantine is not in a typical OT line officer "olive".  It is darker and has more brown tones to it, and no grey tone at all.

     

    A part of me suspects that the artists and animators intentionally distinguish their face characters with these little flourishes ... Thrawn's (useless) Arm seams, Pryce being in dark grey, Konstantine and Tarkin in olive-brown instead of olive-grey, Kallus in armor and uniform that is unique, insignia bits on Konstantine's hat .... all to make them look interesting and memorable.

     

    Which.  Is cool.  But also slightly frustrating ;)

     

     

    Edite to add:  I also really dislike how the rankbars and code cylinders render in screencaps, as far as color.  Instead of metallic, they take on the color of the tunic they are on, with a little silver metal edge.  :evil:

    Rebels' Era Grand Admiral Trawn CRL discussion (inc generic Grand Admiral)

    in New CRLs

    Posted

    3 hours ago, eliste said:


    That depends on the source material. Rebels doesn't have any beveling or thickness. Yes, the book exists, but that's only one source.

     

    General take from LMO Staff is that with animated characters, the animated references have priority over other sources.  Any other sources, such as books, etc, should only be considered supplementary in the absence of a good animated reference.

     

    I would suggest communing quickly over Pryce, Thrawn, Konstantine, and background characters and coming up with unified language for the insignia characteristics and then have all Rebels officer fit that.

     

    I will note that the L2 on Pryce is already being eyeballed by the LMO's for adjustment ... in that it requires both iron-on, screen printed style AND a beveled edge.  o.O  

     

     

    Rebels' Era CRL Discussions

    in Rebels

    Posted

    2 hours ago, MoffSchrayer said:

    Has anyone started a CRL for Alton Kastle and the Imperial Press Corps by any chance?

     

     

    I am not aware of anyone putting together that costume, yet.

     

    If I recall, that fellow wears a standard Rebels style Imperial black officer uniform with the addition of some sort of metal badge on the chest and a unique armband or patch on the shoulder?

    2017 List of CRL Work for IOC

    in CRL Updates

    Posted

    Hello!  Friendly neighborhood LMO here :)

     

    I have a punchlist of CRL work going with IOC Staff that I keep updated.  I thought it would be beneficial for the detachment members at large to see the sorts of things we have completed, are working on, and are planning to work on.

     

    I will keep both threads updated, and notify when updates occur :)

     

     

     

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    This is what I have in my spreadsheet for what appears to be on deck for the IOC this year.  With Ep8 looming closer, we want to get moving on these before piling more on from that movie :D.  If I have forgotten any, please let me know, and I will update this post.  I will also update as they are completed, and note if there are special needs holding things up.  Once I am given the chosen single thread where the desired words and pics are located for a build ... I will update the list with the link ;) 

     

    Note:  there is no special order to how they are listed.

     

    New CRL
    1. ANH Staff Officer --> CRL Creation/publishing process started

    2. Lieutenant Mitaka / First Order Lieutenant -- Final review by Head LMO in progress

     

    CRL Updates
    1.  General semantics review of all IOC CRLs --> 95% Complete

    2.  Variant additions to Ysanne Isard -- Pending research

    3.  Rankbar WooJoo Part Deux -- Kinda mostly done maybe?

     

    No Longer on Active Docket - Pending Costumer Action

    1. Admiral Dao / Generic CW Officer - Pending costume creation

    2. Generic Rebels Staff Officer / Brom Titus  - Pending resubmission of alterations

    3. Generic Rebels Line Officer / Admiral Kassius Konstantine -->Pending hat / submission

     

     

     

     

    Completed Projects

    1.  Governor Pryce -->  COMPLETE

    2.  Generic TFA General -->   COMPLETE

    3.  Imperial Army Trooper Officer -->  Shifted to LMO No Detachment Affiliation 

    4. Clone Wars Animated Tarkin -->   COMPLETE

    5. Generic Rogue One ISB Officer -->   COMPLETE

    6. Rankbar Woojoo --> COMPLETE

    7.  Krennic Review/Update (raincoat addition, add no coat version, etc) -- COMPLETE

    8. Kallus BoStaff Addition - COMPLETE

    9.  Navy Trooper optional accessory addition - COMPLETE

    10. Staff Officer Rain Poncho Addition - COMPLETE

    11. R1 Tunic option for ISB addition - COMPLETE

    12. Line Officer Poncho Addition - COMPLETE

    13. Line Officer Trenchcoat Addition - COMPLETE

    14.  Galen Erso Imperial R&D - "Eadu Erso" -->  COMPLETE

    15.  Rogue One Imperial Science Officer --> COMPLETE

    16.  Add Trenchcoat to Staff Officer -- COMPLETE

    17. Juno - Dress Update -- COMPLETE

    18. Juno Rogue Shadow Update -- COMPLETE

    19. Rebels Animated Thrawn -->   COMPLETE

    20. Scanning Crew Update --> COMPLETE

     

     

     

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    ~C

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