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Right.  I am still unsure about that L3 bit for the hat.  It's true to the reference, certainly, and to not have the decorations would be accurate.  But were they supposed to be there and just not rendered?  Or were they never there at all?  Translating animated characters is definitely tricksy!  Comparing against the game's concept art if I can find it would help, maybe.

I really appreciate all the time and effort you are putting into this. This has been quite educational for me to see how the process works and how much thought and care goes into each description. 
 
I also find it interesting how for level 3 you noted that the hat should not have any decorative stitching on the front bill. It makes sense that the game designers didn't include that detail. It seems that dealing with an animated character has a much more difficult balance because sometimes the small details can't be flushed out in the animation as it would be in reality.

The discs are made with notches and without. Even in the movies some of the characters had notched disks, and some had notchless If I recall, you can ask for a hat to be made with a notched or notchless disk ... Or just buy a pin that you can swap in and out.
 
The belt, even though I don't see a rivet in all the reference material,  I am open to compromising on.  Technically someone could just paint over the rivet.  But then they wouldn't be able to use the belt for anything else.  
 
Hmmm.  I seem to remember another costume that had a similar quandary.  I shall go look it up.
 
 

It doesn't and can't make sense, that's my point 
 
 
Every piece of new Star Wars media from the Empire era will overturn our ideas, without fail every time.  In the same way we say ROTJ was "wrong" (and how can that be, its a Star Wars movie) with the rank plaques.  We just need to keep adding on what we see and we'll be fine.

Do you have AACC's that you want to show off?  You are in luck!  I am in search of pictures of Absolutely Awesome Code Cylinders ... each of the four accepted styles ... member owned.
 
They will be used in the IOC CRL's.
 
I know there are some Awesome ones out there let's see them!  If you are modest, you can send them to me via PM 

Hello everyone ... Friendly Neighborhood LMO here ...  
 
I am starting the review process mentioned here earlier in the week:  http://www.imperialofficer.com/forum/index.php?/topic/4451-crl-suggestion-thread-please-read/&page=3#comment-115197
 
 
I'll be pouring over the references and making adjustments in the CRL, and it will, hopefully, in the end be clearer.  I'll post up proposed edits before making them live.  Just let folks know that the review process is starting   It is possible that new images may be asked for.

Thrawn - Grand Admiral rank bar (12 tiles t=3B3A b=3B3R) - silver triangle+silver bar collar - hat = no
Tarkin - Governor Rank bar (12 tiles t=6B b=3R3A) - dark green split triangle+line - hat = no
Price - Governor Rank bar (12 tiles t=6B b=3R3A) - dark triangle - hat = no
Litzt - Lieutenant Rank bar (4 tiles t=2R b=2B) - no collar insignia - hat = yes (insignia surrounds hat greeb)
Brom Titus - Admiral rank bar (6 tiles 4R 2A) - yellow angles - hat = yes (insignia is a single yellow triangle hollowed out)
Geonosis Captain - Captain Rank (6 tiles t=3R b=3B) - yellow angles - hat = yes (insignia is a single yellow triangle hollowed out)
Geonosis officer - The General Rank Bar - 8 tiles t=4R b=4B spaced like Veers) - dark coloured triangles - hat = yes (filled in dark coloured triangle with a secondary line)
Konstantine - Admiral rank bar (12 tiles t=6R b=6B) - dark coloured triangles - hat = yes (filled in dark coloured triangle with a secondary line)
Commandant Aresco - Captain Rank (6 tiles t=3R b=3B) - dark coloured triangles - hat = yes (filled in dark coloured triangle with a secondary line)
Taskmaster Bring - Captain Rank (6 tiles t=3R b=3B) - dark coloured triangles - hat = yes (filled in dark coloured triangle with a secondary line)
Hidden face officer - Lieutenant Rank bar (4 tiles t=2R b=2B) - no collar insignia - hat = yes no I signia

You are right.  The shade / tone of olive used for Rebels' line is noticeably different.  That doesn't mean to say that  one couldn't use the same uniform for current Imperial Line Officer and Rebels Officer.  You could, provided there aren't super noticeable construction specific differences in the two references.  You just can't do a Cosplaysky one
 
 All of the other bits that make a Rebels uniform distinctly Rebels can be switched out for "Real World" bits when you want to do your Real World costume, as long as one is clever with construction ... that is, making the collar insignia a pin that lays super flat for example.  Kind of like taking your Imperial Crewman, putting on gauntlet gloves, and becoming a TIE Reserve.
 
 

Received, thank you! 
 
So, here is my thought.  To tweak the semantics (not requirements) of the code cylinder text just a hair for clarity, and to update the image to show a great representation of each of the 4 allowed styles.
 
Costumers have a far better idea of what to aim for / make, and GML's have a better idea of how to judge.  Both being visual creatures
 
Higher accuracy / looking-good-stuffs are then promoted, without actually being restrictive.

Let's refocus to the original topic of the ANH 451 style costumes, please. 
 
Things that I need to fully ponder things through -- 
 
-- Is there a significant difference in the ANH build (not just the tunic) currently to warrant a new CRL?
-- Are there members with the costume currently?
-- Are all black officers in ANH in this style, and if so, is it okay to split the IN Dress, as well?
-- Does the DL okay it?
 
 

Received, thank you! 
 
So, here is my thought.  To tweak the semantics (not requirements) of the code cylinder text just a hair for clarity, and to update the image to show a great representation of each of the 4 allowed styles.
 
Costumers have a far better idea of what to aim for / make, and GML's have a better idea of how to judge.  Both being visual creatures
 
Higher accuracy / looking-good-stuffs are then promoted, without actually being restrictive.

PM incoming

This I can get behind.  I keep my original chalkholders in my uniform bag to illustrate to newer members what could pass back when I first got approved.  They make me cringe though, there's fully more than an inch of the pushlever sticking out of the top (all paIntes blue lol).  When I'm home I'll throw up a picture of it here as a good example of a "bad chalk holder."

@nocternus I am going to send you a box of commas for your birthday one day
 
Anywho. 
 
Can the chalk cylinders be made to look good ?  Yes.
 
Then the applicant should be worked with and guided to how to make the things look good.  GML's passing horrible looking chalkholders isn't the fault of the standard, per se`.  Should the language used be looked at to help tighten the gap on what is a "bad" chalkholder and what isn't?  Maybe, and worth consideration.
 
 

Not necessarily too picky.  Those sorts of things are handled (a lot of the times) in L2/L3 higher accuracy detailing.  Which, ultimately, is one of the reasons behind why one might want to make a particular source reference its own CRL series.  
 
Which is pretty much what you're saying, I think.

@nocternus I am going to send you a box of commas for your birthday one day
 
Anywho. 
 
Can the chalk cylinders be made to look good ?  Yes.
 
Then the applicant should be worked with and guided to how to make the things look good.  GML's passing horrible looking chalkholders isn't the fault of the standard, per se`.  Should the language used be looked at to help tighten the gap on what is a "bad" chalkholder and what isn't?  Maybe, and worth consideration.
 
 

@nocternus I am going to send you a box of commas for your birthday one day
 
Anywho. 
 
Can the chalk cylinders be made to look good ?  Yes.
 
Then the applicant should be worked with and guided to how to make the things look good.  GML's passing horrible looking chalkholders isn't the fault of the standard, per se`.  Should the language used be looked at to help tighten the gap on what is a "bad" chalkholder and what isn't?  Maybe, and worth consideration.
 
 

LOL.  Yeah, one of our younger members was asking one of the seamstresses here what the point of all the stitching was.  We pointed out the point was probably some designer at LFL going "hey 501st, HAVE FUN!" and cackling sadisticly

Agreed.  I took a close look at that when it first came out, all excited.  
 
And then promptly noped the hell out. 

Four words - Imperial Ground Crew Jumpsuit.

Rambling is fine!  I ramble a lot! 
 
To address  the Rebels thing ... Right now, all we've had people try to replicate are Rebels' face characters specifically, so they tend to get a new CRL anyway. We could attempt to create a "generic Rebels" whatever, but my first thought is: I personally feel it would be an exercise in frustration.  Like, it seems every single Imperial Officer character has at least one thing different from the others.  No, I've not studied them all in detail to determine for sure.  And I really don't want to talk about the olive that isn't olive-grey but is a weird painful olive-brown that Tarkin wears   I am open to discussion and thought on that, however, should someone actually produce a proposed "Rebels Generic Whatever".  We've got on for Rebels Staff pending resubmission, so my pondering on it may get stepped up soon.
 
That being said, there are enough differences in Rebels officer appearances to warrant separate CRL's in my mind, and it has nothing to do with the seams and their placement.  Not sure where that nugget came from, but from an LMO perspective, the Rebels' center back seam really is meaningless.  And we don't require it for L1. even when present on the source, cause some don't have it.   It's nice to have the CRL Model with one if it is present on the source, but even that isn't required.  On the flip side, back princess seams, while most definitely not present in the source material, are perfectly ok if present.  For L1.  I would like to repeat myself more on that account as I have heard murmurings otherwise, which are not true.  
 
The differences that *do* stand out to me are:  the Reb rankbar has noticeably rounded corners, the belt has a distinctly different Imperial Disk on the buckle on the buckle and hat, and there is a distinct collar and hat insignia.
 
Certainly, one could say that all those differences could be addressed in L2/3 ... and just add in the Rebels specific rankbars, and disks as optional accessories maybe?  I am less comfortable with that.  Another LMO might have a different opinion, and take things in a different direction, if I am not around next year, but that one is mine 
 
An after sleep edit made for clarification.

Couple notes.  How many folks agree that all black officers in ANH (including cheese grater wearing IN) had this style tunic?
 
If everyone does, and it is agreed to split off (not a foregone conclusion) ANH Staff, then ANH IN (from IN dress) would need to be split, as well.
 
As to the ISB / ANH - R1 method of addressing tunic construction, whether or not to split those up is under debate in LMO land, and has been for a bit.

Rambling is fine!  I ramble a lot! 
 
To address  the Rebels thing ... Right now, all we've had people try to replicate are Rebels' face characters specifically, so they tend to get a new CRL anyway. We could attempt to create a "generic Rebels" whatever, but my first thought is: I personally feel it would be an exercise in frustration.  Like, it seems every single Imperial Officer character has at least one thing different from the others.  No, I've not studied them all in detail to determine for sure.  And I really don't want to talk about the olive that isn't olive-grey but is a weird painful olive-brown that Tarkin wears   I am open to discussion and thought on that, however, should someone actually produce a proposed "Rebels Generic Whatever".  We've got on for Rebels Staff pending resubmission, so my pondering on it may get stepped up soon.
 
That being said, there are enough differences in Rebels officer appearances to warrant separate CRL's in my mind, and it has nothing to do with the seams and their placement.  Not sure where that nugget came from, but from an LMO perspective, the Rebels' center back seam really is meaningless.  And we don't require it for L1. even when present on the source, cause some don't have it.   It's nice to have the CRL Model with one if it is present on the source, but even that isn't required.  On the flip side, back princess seams, while most definitely not present in the source material, are perfectly ok if present.  For L1.  I would like to repeat myself more on that account as I have heard murmurings otherwise, which are not true.  
 
The differences that *do* stand out to me are:  the Reb rankbar has noticeably rounded corners, the belt has a distinctly different Imperial Disk on the buckle on the buckle and hat, and there is a distinct collar and hat insignia.
 
Certainly, one could say that all those differences could be addressed in L2/3 ... and just add in the Rebels specific rankbars, and disks as optional accessories maybe?  I am less comfortable with that.  Another LMO might have a different opinion, and take things in a different direction, if I am not around next year, but that one is mine 
 
An after sleep edit made for clarification.

I have a Excel spreadsheet that I can send to you.  I list it by movie (ANH, RO, ESB, ROTH), comics, animated, games, etc.  For example the captain rank first seen in the Empire Strikes Back is seen in that movie, Jedi, comics, video games, the Rebels animated series.  If you want to see the specific photo, just ask and I will provide it.

If it doesn't have a listing next to the rank, it has not been shown, but I keep them in there as the logical numerical progression.   I'll send you the file tomorrow.

I do not believe in stifling creativity.  If one person has a rank from a comic book, then all other ranks from comic books should be permitted.  This is the CENTRAL issue as things are not being applied equitably.  The same goes for books, for games, for figures and anything licensed.  As other detachments are able to do this, it is only fair for it to happen here.  There are strict original trilogy troops or just from the movie troops, those lines are drawn from time to time and that is ok and it is a reality of what is asked for.  If you are worried about EU showing up more, they can be filtered out if called for... and they have been.

The permisibility of these ranks have been the policy of the legion for years at level 1.  No one is adding more stringent, more precise accuracy by limiting what can be worn, they are just limiting things from 3 films, imposing their own vision of what these costumes should look like.  If we want to make things look more accurate, we should talk about fabrics.  We used to have people here that had degrees in textiles.  I hope we will be able to convince them to come back.  The proposed fabric runs by @Paggeldiwwer is very encouraging.  It may be the biggest thing to happen here in years to produce screen accuracy, realistic textures and proper colors.

From the looks of some of the design decisions made in TLJ that we can look forward to... yep, costume designers are definitely a bunch of sadists!