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    PArmstr reacted to KaiserNash in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    Mac inspired me to do some research.
     
    So the gentleman in the VD for R1 is Paul Putner and actor/writer/comedian. Its possible that he was first cast for that role and there were images already gathered for merchandise and promotional material. However, re-shoots happened.
     
    Coincidentally to our case, the stunt supervisor for the re-shoots is Steen Young who, according to IMDB and Canon: A Star Wars Wiki, plays a "vault officer" in the movie R1.
     
    So its possible that they had this look for Putna at first (VD), but for the purpose of the re-shoots and the availability with the actor, the stunt coordinator stepped in and filled that role.
     
    Moral of the story: Re-shoots don't help at all lol 
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    PArmstr got a reaction from Tutanchseth in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    Oh great another inconsistency. Thank you very much Lucas Film.
     
    If you look at the screen caps from Rogue One you can see that Lieutenant Milton Putna wears two belt boxes but does not have a code cylinder in his left pocket. (Edit:) We cannot see if he wears one in his right pocket or not. You cannot see the empty right pocket on my reference but Stefan has posted one on the first page of this thread where you see it.  So perhaps he has a no code cylinders at all.  I  got to correct myself. He has no code cylinders at all.(End of Edit.)
     
    On page 147 of the Star Wars Rogue One - The Ultimate Visual Guide he wears one code cylinder in each pocket but no belt boxes. 
    (Edit:) So it is the exact opposite of the film. (End of Edit.)
     


     
     
    (Edit:) Here is reference I was talking about. (End of Edit)

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    PArmstr got a reaction from Paggeldiwwer in Possible IN dress uniform ANH / warrant officer ANH CRL   
    All changes that I made to the original post of the proposed CRL are shown in green.
     
     
    Imperial Navy Helmet
    For 501st approval:
    For more detailed images, see the Imperial Navy Helmet Detail page. 12" (304.8mm) diameter black plastic dome. Front and back covers with 1.5" (38.1mm) holes over-laid onto dome. Back "wing" extending about 4" (101.6mm) below the rim of the dome at the sides and about 7" (177.8mm) at the back, encompassing about half the circumference of the helmet. Ear blocks with a bend to match the flare of the "wing" over each ear at the front ends of the "wing" with geometric circle patterns in the top half and a spaced out area of "dimples" in the lower half. For level two certification (if applicable):
    Helmet must very closely match the details seen on screen For level three certification (if applicable):
    Must exactly match a specific helmet worn on-screen.  
     
    Tunic
    For 501st approval:
    Fabric should be black or a very dark blue Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. Yoke comes straight across from the collar center not coming up to the shoulder seam. The standing collar has square corners and should cover ½ to 2/3 of the neck. A modesy panel can be present. Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons Tunic shall not have the standard code cylinder pockets. Darts and princess seams on the front are permitted for a better fit of the tunic A seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing the top from the skirt is permitted  For level two certification (if applicable):
    There is a seam down the center of the yoke There is top stitching down the yoke about 50mm from the edge There is a slit on both side seams that goes up about 1/3 of the total length of the tunic Sleeves have two seams, one along the bottom and one along the back. The point of the yoke comes across and slightly up. For level three certification (if applicable):
    The fabric should be wool There are princess seams on the back of the tunic There is a seam down the center of the back There shall be no seam running the entire circumference of the tunic There is top stitching on the top of the yoke running from the middle seam around the yoke down the hem. The top stitching is about 10mm from the edge. There is top stitching around the wrist area of the sleeve. The top stitching is about 10mm from the edge. There is top stitching around the bottom hem of the front and back of the tunic. The top stitching in about 10mm from the edge. There is top stitching around the edge of the collar. The top stitching is about 10mm from the edge There is lining inside the tunic Snaps or buttons hidden behind a panel are used for closure There shall not be extra darts or princess seams on the front  
     
    Black Gauntlet Gloves
    For 501st approval:
    Black, leather or leather-like, enclosed fingered, non-textured, fitted gauntlet style.  For level two certification (if applicable):
    Gauntlets are made of leather.  For level three certification (if applicable):
    Gauntlets have a strap with a buckle around the wrist. Gaunlet have red lining  
     
    Belt
    For 501st approval:
    The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.  For level two certification (if applicable):
    Belt is made of leather. For level three certification (if applicable): 
    Snap is worn to the left of the wearer. Buckle has a slight horizontal  
     
    Trousers
    For 501st approval:
    Trousers should be made of the same fabric as the tunic Trousers should have same color as tunic Pockets are acceptable, although not visible with the tunic on. Pants are neatly pressed with no center crease and are tucked into boots.  
    Boots
    For 501st approval:
    Calf high black leather or leather like material. Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot, with the buckle no wider than 1". This need not be functional. Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/ leather, it is painted black. German "jack boot" style boots are most canon. For level two certification (if applicable):
     Boots are made of leather. For level three certification (if applicable):
    Original German jack boots (or ?Knobelbechers?) or an authentic replication thereof. Boots have the top adjustment strap.  
     
    Optional Accessories
    Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present
    appear as described below.
     
     
    Belt Boxes
    For 501st approval:
    Two vertical belt boxes, one on either side of the belt buckle Dimensions are approximately 2 1/2" (63.5 mm) by 3 1/2" (88.9 mm) by 1" (25.4 mm) thick. For level two certification (if applicable):
    Belt boxes should include a lid on back of the box. Project boxes are not allowed for level 2 and 3 clearance. For level three certification (if applicable):
     Belt boxes are constructed of metal.  
     
    Imperial Hat, black
    For 501st approval:
    Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall. Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high. Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with 5, 6 or 7 concentric stitches. Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical flap. For level two certification (if applicable):
    Code Disk has a notch detail on the outermost disk.  For level three certification (if applicable):
    Code disk exactly matches screen-used prop.  
     
    Holster
    For 501st approval:
    Made of black leather or leather-like material. For level two certification (if applicable):
    Holster should be made of leather For level three certification (if applicable):
    DH-17 holster should be worn on the right side E-11 holster should be worn on the left side  
     
    DH-17 Blaster
    For 501st approval:
    Scratch built, high-end prop replica or a modified commercial toy Rebel Trooper blaster.  
     
    BlasTech E-11
    For 501st approval:
    Scratch-built, high-end prop replica or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster.
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    PArmstr got a reaction from Paggeldiwwer in Possible IN dress uniform ANH / warrant officer ANH CRL   
    I can add the red lining of the gauntlet on level 3. It can also be seen on the two IN that guard the door of the conference room. The princess seam cannot been seen it the movie itself that is the reason that I put it on level 3. The book Star Wars Costumes the original trilogy states on page 21 that NY police tunics were used. I found some old NYPD tunics on some auction sites. The princess seams can been seen clearly on those photos. 
     












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    PArmstr got a reaction from Paggeldiwwer in Possible IN dress uniform ANH / warrant officer ANH CRL   
    Here are some changes I want to make to my CRL proposal. First I want to take out the fabric suggestion on level 1 because it is wrong. On level 1 and 2 the fabric choice should be up to the costumer. We know that that the NY police tunics were made out of blue wool, which looked black on screne,  so that should be stated in level 3. I am also taking out the exact height of the collar because everybody neck has a different length. I made the changes in green.
     
    Tunic
    For 501st approval:
    Fabric should be black or a very dark blue Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. Yoke comes straight across from the collar center not coming up to the shoulder seam. The standing collar has square corners and should cover ½ to 2/3 of the neck. A modesy panel can be present. Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons Tunic shall not have the standard code cylinder pockets. Darts and princess seams on the front are permitted for a better fit of the tunic A seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing the top from the skirt is permitted  
     For level two certification (if applicable):
    There is a seam down the center of the yoke There is top stitching down the yoke about 50mm from the edge There is a slit on both side seams that goes up about 1/3 of the total length of the tunic Sleeves have two seams, one along the bottom and one along the back. The point of the yoke comes across and slightly up.  
     For level three certification (if applicable):
    The fabric should be dark blue wool. There are princess seams on the back of the tunic There is a seam down the center of the back There shall be no seam running the entire circumference of the tunic There is top stitching on the top of the yoke running from the middle seam around the yoke down the hem. The top stitching is about 10mm from the edge. There is top stitching around the wrist area of the sleeve. The top stitching is about 10mm from the edge. There is top stitching around the bottom hem of the front and back of the tunic. The top stitching in about 10mm from the edge. There is top stitching around the edge of the collar. The top stitching is about 10mm from the edge There is lining inside the tunic Snaps or buttons hidden behind a panel are used for closure There shall not be extra darts or princess seams on the front  
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    PArmstr got a reaction from Paggeldiwwer in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    I just took a look at the screen caps of R1. We cannot see the boots very well but it is enough to conform the the type of boots the guy wears. The definitively look like FO boots to me but I am not an expert for the FO uniforms.
     


     
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    PArmstr got a reaction from Paggeldiwwer in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    Thanks, Steven. I do the best I can to serve the Galatic Empire.
     
    What about the name I found for the green officers in Rogue One? On page 117 of the Star Wars Rogue One - The Ultimate visual Guide Captain Shaef Corrsin, which is wearing what we call a line officer uniform, is called a "Imperial Navy officer". I would really prefer to call them "Imperial Navy officer" instead of line officer and it does also sound a lot better as the name Starfleet officer that @buckrogersbarker suggested, which sound to much like Star Trek to me.
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    PArmstr got a reaction from Paggeldiwwer in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    The black officers in Rogue one are definitively security officers. I am quoting the Lieutenant Milton Putna entry from page 147 of the Star Wars Rogue One - The Ultimate visual Guide   "A librarian-turned-security officer, Putna is well versed with the layout of the datatape library tree. Acess into the main vault door is keyed to his palm print."
     
    On page 117 Captain Shaef Corrsin, which is wearing what we call a line officer uniform, is called a "Imperial Navy officer".
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    PArmstr got a reaction from lantern2745 in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    The black officers in Rogue one are definitively security officers. I am quoting the Lieutenant Milton Putna entry from page 147 of the Star Wars Rogue One - The Ultimate visual Guide   "A librarian-turned-security officer, Putna is well versed with the layout of the datatape library tree. Acess into the main vault door is keyed to his palm print."
     
    On page 117 Captain Shaef Corrsin, which is wearing what we call a line officer uniform, is called a "Imperial Navy officer".
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    PArmstr got a reaction from buckrogersbarker in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    The black officers in Rogue one are definitively security officers. I am quoting the Lieutenant Milton Putna entry from page 147 of the Star Wars Rogue One - The Ultimate visual Guide   "A librarian-turned-security officer, Putna is well versed with the layout of the datatape library tree. Acess into the main vault door is keyed to his palm print."
     
    On page 117 Captain Shaef Corrsin, which is wearing what we call a line officer uniform, is called a "Imperial Navy officer".
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    PArmstr got a reaction from buckrogersbarker in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    Thanks, Steven. I do the best I can to serve the Galatic Empire.
     
    What about the name I found for the green officers in Rogue One? On page 117 of the Star Wars Rogue One - The Ultimate visual Guide Captain Shaef Corrsin, which is wearing what we call a line officer uniform, is called a "Imperial Navy officer". I would really prefer to call them "Imperial Navy officer" instead of line officer and it does also sound a lot better as the name Starfleet officer that @buckrogersbarker suggested, which sound to much like Star Trek to me.
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    PArmstr reacted to IC90109 in Warrant Officer / Staff Officer / Bridge Crew gloves   
    Thank you, Patricia. I've updated the edits/corrections to reflect your clarifications.
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    PArmstr got a reaction from Alberto in Warrant Officer / Staff Officer / Bridge Crew gloves   
    I am going to post the refences in here.
     
    There were two types of gauntlets used in ANH. The first one was the pilot gauntlets that the TIE-fighter-pilots and X-Wing-pilots used. Thes gauntlets flare out a lot and gave seams on the back of their hands.



     
    The second type of gauntlets was used by the navy troopers in dress uniform and the warrant officer. I call does vintage biker gloves. They do not flare out as much as the pilot gauntlet. They do not have any type of stitching or seams on the back of the hand. Instead they have a closure strap on the wrist.



     
    In the ESB scanner and bridge crew did not wear gloves. The line officers had plain short leather gloves that had no seams or stitching on the back of their hand.  There were no warrant officers in ESB.



     
    The navy troopers in ESB had gauntlets that had a similar form to ANH but they did not have the closure straps.




     
    In ROTJ the line officer, warrant officers and the IN in dress uniform wore leather gloves that went past the wrist and had stitching on the back of the hand. All gauntlets in ROTJ seem to have been pilot gauntlets. They all flare out a lot.













     
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    PArmstr got a reaction from Tutanchseth in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    Thanks, Steven. I do the best I can to serve the Galatic Empire.
     
    What about the name I found for the green officers in Rogue One? On page 117 of the Star Wars Rogue One - The Ultimate visual Guide Captain Shaef Corrsin, which is wearing what we call a line officer uniform, is called a "Imperial Navy officer". I would really prefer to call them "Imperial Navy officer" instead of line officer and it does also sound a lot better as the name Starfleet officer that @buckrogersbarker suggested, which sound to much like Star Trek to me.
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    PArmstr got a reaction from Tutanchseth in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    The black officers in Rogue one are definitively security officers. I am quoting the Lieutenant Milton Putna entry from page 147 of the Star Wars Rogue One - The Ultimate visual Guide   "A librarian-turned-security officer, Putna is well versed with the layout of the datatape library tree. Acess into the main vault door is keyed to his palm print."
     
    On page 117 Captain Shaef Corrsin, which is wearing what we call a line officer uniform, is called a "Imperial Navy officer".
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    PArmstr reacted to Steven in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    As a historian I love every piece of written evidence, I just leave this here so that everyone can see it:
     

     
    Good spot Patricia!
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    PArmstr reacted to Paggeldiwwer in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    If you mean the differences concerning the pattern, we had a topic a while ago were we took together what we found out about that:
     
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    PArmstr reacted to buckrogersbarker in Staff Officer (black) CRL Update to R1 specifications   
    The ones in ANH were the 451 style 
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    PArmstr reacted to Steven in CRL suggestion Seperate "Rogue One ISB-Officer"   
    The Director approves  
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    PArmstr got a reaction from xAlpha in Admiral Versio - Battlefront 2   
    No lining makes a lot of seens when it is supposed to be lightweight. The Russian Imperial Army officer summer tunic, on which the ISB ANH tunic is based were, also ment to be lightweight. If I remember the information correctly it was stated that the first two were made out of light wool material. The 1907 version is made out cotton propably a duck canvas weave and has no lining so it is not as warm as the winter tunics.
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    PArmstr reacted to Mitthrawnuruodo in CRL suggestion Seperate "Rogue One ISB-Officer"   
    If the shore troopers can have 3 separate CRLs why not every other costume!
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    PArmstr reacted to Paggeldiwwer in Admiral Versio - Battlefront 2   
    That's the Point. As I am sewing the uniform for my father, I will sew a lining in. The question is more General. If we can not prove the original ISB's to have a lining, nor will we ever be able to say if an animated tunic has one shall we still make it a requirement at all or shall we say something like you did "a lining is preferred for comfort but not required" at level 3?
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    PArmstr reacted to xAlpha in CRL suggestion Seperate "Rogue One ISB-Officer"   
    I agree they should be separate CRLs.
     
    The bridge crew has a breakdown at the bottom of which options are for which films, and while I feel like that does the job, even there I could see it being split out.
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    PArmstr reacted to xAlpha in Possible ISB ANH CRL   
    Also supporting the split, for what it's worth. Even with the new system, I think there are enough differences to warrant it.
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    PArmstr got a reaction from xAlpha in Warrant Officer / Staff Officer / Bridge Crew gloves   
    I did some color changes with the reference photos. That Warrant officer is also wearing the short gloves. The part that I thought was the flare of the possible gauntlet is his hand and the part that I thought was his hand is a darker part of the wall. The proportions of that guys arms still look kind of strange to me but I am quite sure that he is not wearing gauntlets. So we now know that all the warrant officers in ROTJ wore the short gloves.
     
     
     
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