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No one should be able to force their preference on others.  I may like the green uniform more than the ISB uniform but if 30 people want to come as ISB officers that is their choice.
 
we’ve known about straight pants on officers for 41 years.  Now we are seeing them more prominently in Solo and Rogue One.  They should be a permissible variant for the black and green uniform 

I do not think that the possibility of a few people being too lazy to look for riding boots should stop us from making the Service Dress Uniform CRL or to include this uniform in the already existing Staff Officer CRL or Line Officer CRL, depending on what we will do in the end. Why should we punish the people that would like to wear an officer, but cannot find riding boots or jackboots in their sizes because of a possibility? Nobody shoots their dog because there is a possibility that it will get cancer or rabies.
 
If I could wear riding boots I would. I wear jackboots that are 4 sizes too big for me with 4 pairs of insoles, 2 pairs of thick socks and an added piece of leather so that I can wear my bridge crew. I am pretty sure that other people also try to do everything they can to wear a costume that they like. Unfortunately, that is not always possible.
 
There are 2734 officers in the 501st Legion, but only 12 of them are Imperial Science Officers and that CRL has been up for a while. There are also only 137 Warrant Officers and 143 Imperial Security Bureau Officers. The majority of our officers wear uniforms with riding boots even though that there are CRLs without them available. Why should that suddenly change just because we add another option to our CRLs? I'm pretty sure that most people will continue to buy riding boots. They are just too iconic.
 

I do not think that the possibility of a few people being too lazy to look for riding boots should stop us from making the Service Dress Uniform CRL or to include this uniform in the already existing Staff Officer CRL or Line Officer CRL, depending on what we will do in the end. Why should we punish the people that would like to wear an officer, but cannot find riding boots or jackboots in their sizes because of a possibility? Nobody shoots their dog because there is a possibility that it will get cancer or rabies.
 
If I could wear riding boots I would. I wear jackboots that are 4 sizes too big for me with 4 pairs of insoles, 2 pairs of thick socks and an added piece of leather so that I can wear my bridge crew. I am pretty sure that other people also try to do everything they can to wear a costume that they like. Unfortunately, that is not always possible.
 
There are 2734 officers in the 501st Legion, but only 12 of them are Imperial Science Officers and that CRL has been up for a while. There are also only 137 Warrant Officers and 143 Imperial Security Bureau Officers. The majority of our officers wear uniforms with riding boots even though that there are CRLs without them available. Why should that suddenly change just because we add another option to our CRLs? I'm pretty sure that most people will continue to buy riding boots. They are just too iconic.
 

OH Wicked!!! thank you very much!

The uniform was seen on screen, so by the rules of the 501st we can replicate it, create a CRL and wear it, it doesn't (or shouldn't) matter if anyone thinks that this uniform doesn't fit into the type of the classical Officers.
Just because someone wants to wear this uniform doesn't mean this person is lazy or wants to make something cheap. A good high quality Officer uniform is always far away from being cheap, no matter which style.

So, I’m inches away from submitting approval photos for my line officer, and I’m really excited to add this variation for my second 501st costume. But I’m a little confused by the recent discussions on this thread.
 
I understand the love for crisp officers with tall riding boots, snazzy hats, and jodhpurs—the pants that seem totally ridiculous on their own, but are somehow perfectly elegant and menacing with the rest of the uniform. But are these concerns relevant to the creation of this CRL? Is it possible to block this CRL out of concern for the purity of the classic officer? 
 
And how is it a bad thing to have a costume that’s easy to build/afford? Why call people choosing this costume lazy? Don’t you want to welcome more people into the 501st and the IOC? It almost feels like people want the IOC to be an exclusive, elitist(?) club, and that worries me as someone just joinning. 

I do not think that the possibility of a few people being too lazy to look for riding boots should stop us from making the Service Dress Uniform CRL or to include this uniform in the already existing Staff Officer CRL or Line Officer CRL, depending on what we will do in the end. Why should we punish the people that would like to wear an officer, but cannot find riding boots or jackboots in their sizes because of a possibility? Nobody shoots their dog because there is a possibility that it will get cancer or rabies.
 
If I could wear riding boots I would. I wear jackboots that are 4 sizes too big for me with 4 pairs of insoles, 2 pairs of thick socks and an added piece of leather so that I can wear my bridge crew. I am pretty sure that other people also try to do everything they can to wear a costume that they like. Unfortunately, that is not always possible.
 
There are 2734 officers in the 501st Legion, but only 12 of them are Imperial Science Officers and that CRL has been up for a while. There are also only 137 Warrant Officers and 143 Imperial Security Bureau Officers. The majority of our officers wear uniforms with riding boots even though that there are CRLs without them available. Why should that suddenly change just because we add another option to our CRLs? I'm pretty sure that most people will continue to buy riding boots. They are just too iconic.
 

I do not think that the possibility of a few people being too lazy to look for riding boots should stop us from making the Service Dress Uniform CRL or to include this uniform in the already existing Staff Officer CRL or Line Officer CRL, depending on what we will do in the end. Why should we punish the people that would like to wear an officer, but cannot find riding boots or jackboots in their sizes because of a possibility? Nobody shoots their dog because there is a possibility that it will get cancer or rabies.
 
If I could wear riding boots I would. I wear jackboots that are 4 sizes too big for me with 4 pairs of insoles, 2 pairs of thick socks and an added piece of leather so that I can wear my bridge crew. I am pretty sure that other people also try to do everything they can to wear a costume that they like. Unfortunately, that is not always possible.
 
There are 2734 officers in the 501st Legion, but only 12 of them are Imperial Science Officers and that CRL has been up for a while. There are also only 137 Warrant Officers and 143 Imperial Security Bureau Officers. The majority of our officers wear uniforms with riding boots even though that there are CRLs without them available. Why should that suddenly change just because we add another option to our CRLs? I'm pretty sure that most people will continue to buy riding boots. They are just too iconic.
 

I do not think that the possibility of a few people being too lazy to look for riding boots should stop us from making the Service Dress Uniform CRL or to include this uniform in the already existing Staff Officer CRL or Line Officer CRL, depending on what we will do in the end. Why should we punish the people that would like to wear an officer, but cannot find riding boots or jackboots in their sizes because of a possibility? Nobody shoots their dog because there is a possibility that it will get cancer or rabies.
 
If I could wear riding boots I would. I wear jackboots that are 4 sizes too big for me with 4 pairs of insoles, 2 pairs of thick socks and an added piece of leather so that I can wear my bridge crew. I am pretty sure that other people also try to do everything they can to wear a costume that they like. Unfortunately, that is not always possible.
 
There are 2734 officers in the 501st Legion, but only 12 of them are Imperial Science Officers and that CRL has been up for a while. There are also only 137 Warrant Officers and 143 Imperial Security Bureau Officers. The majority of our officers wear uniforms with riding boots even though that there are CRLs without them available. Why should that suddenly change just because we add another option to our CRLs? I'm pretty sure that most people will continue to buy riding boots. They are just too iconic.
 

I will say that when I've trooped in my Science Officer, I've got alot of comments from other members along the lines of "Hey, did you forget your boots?". So that's a good point. But in all honesty, I actually feel better and think Im sharper looking in my Science officer. So, really it depends.
 
Any "sloppiness" is mainly a GML and costumer problem. 

I couldn't agree more to these two statements. I've seen enough sloppy officers, which does not depend on if Staff/ Line/ or Science Officer. If someone doesn't take care about his uniform, it doesn't matter which uniform he has hanging in his wardrobe, it will always look sloppy.
 
And especially for troops that last more than two days, like my last troop in Nuremberg, it is very comfortable to wear Chelsea Boots instead of Riding Boots for one day. Also if you attend a wedding, like I did at the begin of september, it looks not so military like it would with riding boots, but you are still representing the Empire in an very well dressed way.
 
So yes, these configurations should definitely happen. Now with the new CRL style perhaps like it was mentioned before, one version Line Officer Dress Uniform, one version Staff Officer Dress Uniform and the Science Officer as third and very specific version. I don't think we should get rid of the Science Officer CRL, we tend to create new CRLs but not to delete old one, except when they are really outdated. And I can totally live with the "no hat" thing, Admiral Gorin in R1 didn't wear a hat either, as did Tarkin, General Romodi, Yularen, Prye, Krennic for most of the time, and so on.
 

Different points of view I guess.
 
I'm seeing it as the perfect con suit, the "I've been trooping all morning and I'm tired, but I want to be suited up in something comfortable to do table duty" Chelsea boots are more comfortable then jack boots, I'm sure most of us will agree to that 
 
Would I tell someone just looking to join the legion to do this costume first right off the bat? No.
Would I tell someone just looking to join the legion to do this costume first if they want to be an officer but they're struggling to find the boots, and I mean really struggling not "I spent an hour on ebay and couldn't find anything less then $50" struggling - yes
 
Right now anyone can join the legion as a Science Officer, how would joining in this Service Dress be any different (other then having more options on rank bars and not just the 1)?

My tone came off reasonable because I've learned to just spell out "I'm not angry fighting, just passionately arguing" it makes things a lot easier haha
 
Yes Crewman is a great entry costume, because crew turn into TIE, Gunner, AT-AT Drivers, etc... (I honestly wish I would have just started there myself)
But jackboots can still be problematic. I'm going to use a very close friend of mine as an example. She's 5'4, has tiny feet (as in can still wear larger kids size shoes), but has huge calves. Her proportions make jackboots near impossible without having to go with the custom made route. She's approved with two masked/helmeted legion costumes, but really wants a costume without a mask/helmet that she can be comfy in and do table duty when needed. Service dress is the perfect costume for her. She can sit, she can get accurate boots that fit, she can support her Empire!
 
This is a reason why I want this costume to happen so much. For people like this.

Tarkin - No hat
Science Officer - No hat
This Service Dress uniform would be an off duty no hat scenario. I could see this being the proper Imperial attire for something like a wedding or funeral. But that's just speculation and kind of irrelevant.
 
If you want to wear the hat with this that seems like a local call on your local command staff. Something that would be fine for the weekly events but for the big LFL invitation events you'll need to match the CRL 100%

I know text does not convey tone so I apologize if any of this comes off angry/argumentative/etc.

So basically those few of us approved as Science Officers would technically already be approved as Service Dress.
I'm fine with the Science Officer being a 3rd tab under the same CRL since it specifically calls for the white cuffs while the other two do not.
 
I've seen tons of sloppy looking officers, people who looks like they crumpled their uniform into a ball and threw it in a bag, forgot about it for a month, and then threw it on last minute. Hat, no hat, knee high boots, ankle boots, that's not going to change someone not taking care of their uniform.
 
The Service Dress uniform is probably going to be the easiest costume to get people into the legion. It's going to be a lot of people's first costumes. And probably even more "comfy con table duty" uniforms. It's going to offer people a chance to get an officer suit without having to break the bank finding shoes if they can't fit into a stock size. This is the reason why I want to see this CRL happen so much. I know of at least 6 people in my garrison and countless more that will buy this costume and join the IOC the minute this CRL goes green. Why don't they join right now? Because they can't find the knee high riding boots!
 
Is being called a Nazi any better or worse then just looking like a guy in a black suit? 

I always saw this is an off duty Uniform, as you said, we see them on the private ship of a criminal. So this is exactly what it is a more casual and comfortable dress uniform.
 
Regarding the no-hat problem, what about Tarkin? He never wore a hat in the movies or series and he was definitely on duty

Testing some things today.  I feel pretty good about it.
 

 

This is a very common problem, and will help out a lot of people. It’s one of the reasons why so many of us are trying to make it happen.

I just tried it myself and I like it very much

 
Except for the "drunken" position of the Code Cylinders  

That's what I did for mine. I found a very cheap suit black pants that match the fabric with CS's at a local store, and a pair of leather chelsea boots at Zara.
 
I'm looking forward to get this CRL alive very soon, as my Garrison only allows costumes with CRL for all kind of missions.

Well, here it goes then...

Thank you, sir, but I can't take all the credit though. Patricia and Eric, among others, were crucial contributors with all the pictures and analysis they provided.
 

Nice scene containing Officers including a female staff 
 
 

I am going to post the refences in here.
 
There were two types of gauntlets used in ANH. The first one was the pilot gauntlets that the TIE-fighter-pilots and X-Wing-pilots used. Thes gauntlets flare out a lot and gave seams on the back of their hands.



 
The second type of gauntlets was used by the navy troopers in dress uniform and the warrant officer. I call does vintage biker gloves. They do not flare out as much as the pilot gauntlet. They do not have any type of stitching or seams on the back of the hand. Instead they have a closure strap on the wrist.



 
In the ESB scanner and bridge crew did not wear gloves. The line officers had plain short leather gloves that had no seams or stitching on the back of their hand.  There were no warrant officers in ESB.



 
The navy troopers in ESB had gauntlets that had a similar form to ANH but they did not have the closure straps.




 
In ROTJ the line officer, warrant officers and the IN in dress uniform wore leather gloves that went past the wrist and had stitching on the back of the hand. All gauntlets in ROTJ seem to have been pilot gauntlets. They all flare out a lot.













 

The CRLs are inconsistant of seams/stitches on gloves/gauntlets because they are that way in the movies.
 
As far as I can tell all gauntlets that are worn by flight suit wearers while Vader and Plapatine arrive in ROTJ are TIE-Fighter-Pilot gauntlets. They flare out a lot and have seams on the back of there hands. The AT-ST drivers wear the same type of gaunltlets.
 
The warrant officer, line officers and the one IN dress uniform that you see during the landing of Darth Vader's shuttle have regular gloves that go past the wrist. Those gloves have stitches but those are different than the ones on the TIE-pilot gauntlets.
 
The gauntlets of the INs and warrant officer in ANH did not have stitching or seams on the back of there hand. Instead they had a band with a closure of some type around their wrist. The line officer is ESB has short leather gloves with no seams or stiching.
 
The short gloves that the line officer in ESB wear do not have seams or stiching on the back of there hand.
 
I will post reference photos as soon as I have uploaded them into my imgur account.