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I would prefer to keep the science officer CRL the way it is. It would be great if we could create a mess dress CRL for the black version and another one for the olive colored version but I will take any version we can get approved by the LMOs.

Yes, that seems to be the case. I wish our CRL creation and approval process would be more like the one the Rebel Legion uses. I helped to create three CS in the last three months and all of them are already online.

Coming from this post:
 
I think que should discuss this two new uniforms on their own threads.
Taking Science Officer CRL as a template, here is what I propose:
 
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Description: Imperial Line/Staff Service Dress (Olive Drab/Black)— SOLO
Prefix: ID
Detachment: Imperial Officer Corps 
Context: SOLO
 
Required Costume Components The following costume components are present and appear as described below.
 
Tunic, Olive/Black Fabric is an olive (black) colored medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants. Gabardine / twill weave is preferred. Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. Yoke comes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam. The standing collar has square corners and is tall, raising to mid-neck on wearer. Collar closes snugly and includes a modesty panel behind closure. There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole. Sleeves extend to or slightly past the wrist, and are without decoration, cuffs or buttons. Tunic is constructed with no top-stitching (stitches visible on the exterior surface of fabric). Hook and eye fasteners on the uniform should not be visible.   
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): There is a dart of about 2" (50.8 mm) in the top center of the yoke. There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt. Princess seams, to check. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
Tunic is secured on the right side by snaps or buttons. Tunic is lined.  
 
Rank Bar Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart. Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on metal bar. Four yellow or amber tiles followed by one red tile. Bar is approximately 1" in height and approximately 4 inches in length. Single bar rank bars approximately 1" in height with a length that varies depending on the number of tiles. Rank tile dimensions are appropriate and proportional to the sizing of the bar to allow for equidistant and even spacing from each other and the border of the bar. Rank tiles are translucent.   
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
Rank chosen must be referenced from film canon officers (SOLO). OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
Rank consists of colored plastic push buttons mounted on a metal bar.  
 
Code Cylinders Two code cylinders are worn, one in each pocket. Between 1 to 4 per costume may be worn. Dosimeter style: True Dosimeter with correct clip and Blue top.   
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Dosimeters have a silver, non-brass, clip.  
 
Belt The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. Belt is approximately 2" (50.8 mm) to 3" in width. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center.    OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Belt is made of leather. Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.  
Trousers, Olive/Black
Fabric is an olive (black) colored medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic. Gabardine / twill weave is preferred. Trousers have straight legs, and are not jodphurs or tights. Visible pockets are not allowed. Trouser hem should rest on top of the footwear while in a standing position; ankles are not to be seen.    Footwear
Ankle-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, and made of leather or leather-like material. There is no decorative stitching, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration. Shoes have conservative heels.   
Science Officer (Rogue One) Specific Requirements  
(only for Line Officer Service Dress CRL)
As above but utilizing the following dress shirt cuffs and rank bar.
 
Dress Shirt Cuffs
White or cream colored dress shirt cuffs are slightly visible, protruding from under the olive tunic; if an undershirt is used, ensure the undershirt's collar is not visible.   
  Rank Bar Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart. Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on metal bar. Four yellow or amber tiles followed by one red tile. Bar is approximately 1" in height and approximately 4 inches in length. Rank tile dimensions are appropriate and proportional to the sizing of the bar to allow for equidistant and even spacing from each other and the border of the bar. Rank tiles are translucent.   
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Rank consists of colored plastic push buttons mounted on a metal bar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is just a copy/paste from Science Officer CRL, I only eliminate the 'Dress Shirt Cuffs' from it.
 
What do you think?

So here are some pics of my Staff Officer Mess Dress. Straight leg trousers, regular staff jacket, chealsea boots and a rank bar not se en in Solo, but it's the only one I have at the moment. Also, dosimeters are brass clip.

Ley me know what you think


 
PD: These photos are not meant to be used at the CRL, they're just to show an example of what we want to do.

If we get the two Mess Dress CRLs (which I am not sure about) we should definitely keep the Science Officer CRL, as it is specially mentioned in the VD, as Patricia already said. And there are some differences to the Mess Dress uniforms, so it deserves to be a seperate CRL.
 
I'm going to watch SOLO again today with my Mum and I will keep my eyes focused on this scene.

ID Imperial Officer: Staff Officer Mess Dress (Black)
ID Imperial Officer: Line Officer Mess Dress (Olive)

Sounds good. What about the sience officer then? We keep it as an special suit, or just combine it with Line Mess Dress?

I like the term Undress uniform, or if we go British military, Mess Dress. I think we can leave the Science Officer be, and just make a separate CRL for 'Undress Uniform, All Services' to cover the black and olive uniforms and make the undershirt optional and open it up to any style single row rank bar.

It would be called mess dress in the British army to be worn of duty but still being a officer 

Your work in that thread was excellent 

I think I have found some more of these officers in another Youtube Clip with the title Solo: A Star Wars Story | Becoming Solo Featurette.
   

 

 

 

 

I think the term dress uniform fits pretty well for that type of uniform. The military usually has different uniforms for different duties and occasions. When I use the term dress uniform, I am thinking of a type of Service Dress uniform whereas you think of a Full Dress uniform or Dinner Dress uniform. In the Rogue One flashback scene Galen Erso and Krennic are at the apartment of the Erso family. Perhaps they had dinner together. The scene in Solo is a type of public meeting or party.
 
ANH is not a good example when it comes to uniforms. Due to budget restrictions, they had to use many different types of uniforms that Bermans could supply. You are referring to the hall walkers in ANH. That was not supposed to be a dress or casual uniform. It was supposed to be some type of service or working uniform. One of the hall walkers is standing behind Tarkin operating a control panel in the death star monitor room while wearing a Navy Trooper helmet and some huge headphones. I did some research on the hall walker in 2016. Here is the link.  http://www.imperialofficer.com/forum/index.php?/topic/6313-anh-enlisted-death-star-personnel-in-olive-uniform/&tab=comments#comment-124746

What buckrogersbarker said makes sense. If he is correct, and it seems to be the case, then a rank bar is just a rank bar. It shows the position someone has in the hierarchy of imperial military. It has nothing to do with a title someone has or what job that person does. Galen Erso seems to be a scientist in the rank of operations major in the Army Operations, whatever that supposed to be, of the Empire during the flashback scene.
 
There are similar things in the real military. A nurse in the US Army can have the rank of a major and have the position of head nurse. A couple of years ago, I knew a guy, who was a major in the US Air Force. He had a degree in computer science but his occupation in the Air Force was flying a C-130 Hercules.

I think I have found some more of these officers in another Youtube Clip with the title Solo: A Star Wars Story | Becoming Solo Featurette.
   

 

 

 

 

I think the term dress uniform fits pretty well for that type of uniform. The military usually has different uniforms for different duties and occasions. When I use the term dress uniform, I am thinking of a type of Service Dress uniform whereas you think of a Full Dress uniform or Dinner Dress uniform. In the Rogue One flashback scene Galen Erso and Krennic are at the apartment of the Erso family. Perhaps they had dinner together. The scene in Solo is a type of public meeting or party.
 
ANH is not a good example when it comes to uniforms. Due to budget restrictions, they had to use many different types of uniforms that Bermans could supply. You are referring to the hall walkers in ANH. That was not supposed to be a dress or casual uniform. It was supposed to be some type of service or working uniform. One of the hall walkers is standing behind Tarkin operating a control panel in the death star monitor room while wearing a Navy Trooper helmet and some huge headphones. I did some research on the hall walker in 2016. Here is the link.  http://www.imperialofficer.com/forum/index.php?/topic/6313-anh-enlisted-death-star-personnel-in-olive-uniform/&tab=comments#comment-124746

I think the term dress uniform fits pretty well for that type of uniform. The military usually has different uniforms for different duties and occasions. When I use the term dress uniform, I am thinking of a type of Service Dress uniform whereas you think of a Full Dress uniform or Dinner Dress uniform. In the Rogue One flashback scene Galen Erso and Krennic are at the apartment of the Erso family. Perhaps they had dinner together. The scene in Solo is a type of public meeting or party.
 
ANH is not a good example when it comes to uniforms. Due to budget restrictions, they had to use many different types of uniforms that Bermans could supply. You are referring to the hall walkers in ANH. That was not supposed to be a dress or casual uniform. It was supposed to be some type of service or working uniform. One of the hall walkers is standing behind Tarkin operating a control panel in the death star monitor room while wearing a Navy Trooper helmet and some huge headphones. I did some research on the hall walker in 2016. Here is the link.  http://www.imperialofficer.com/forum/index.php?/topic/6313-anh-enlisted-death-star-personnel-in-olive-uniform/&tab=comments#comment-124746

Hi all,
 
My wife and my two daughters are 501st members! And my wife became the 100th member of our garrison! 
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Simply put, it looks like the straight pants/Chelsea boots is a dress uniform of sorts.

What buckrogersbarker said makes sense. If he is correct, and it seems to be the case, then a rank bar is just a rank bar. It shows the position someone has in the hierarchy of imperial military. It has nothing to do with a title someone has or what job that person does. Galen Erso seems to be a scientist in the rank of operations major in the Army Operations, whatever that supposed to be, of the Empire during the flashback scene.
 
There are similar things in the real military. A nurse in the US Army can have the rank of a major and have the position of head nurse. A couple of years ago, I knew a guy, who was a major in the US Air Force. He had a degree in computer science but his occupation in the Air Force was flying a C-130 Hercules.

What buckrogersbarker said makes sense. If he is correct, and it seems to be the case, then a rank bar is just a rank bar. It shows the position someone has in the hierarchy of imperial military. It has nothing to do with a title someone has or what job that person does. Galen Erso seems to be a scientist in the rank of operations major in the Army Operations, whatever that supposed to be, of the Empire during the flashback scene.
 
There are similar things in the real military. A nurse in the US Army can have the rank of a major and have the position of head nurse. A couple of years ago, I knew a guy, who was a major in the US Air Force. He had a degree in computer science but his occupation in the Air Force was flying a C-130 Hercules.

What buckrogersbarker said makes sense. If he is correct, and it seems to be the case, then a rank bar is just a rank bar. It shows the position someone has in the hierarchy of imperial military. It has nothing to do with a title someone has or what job that person does. Galen Erso seems to be a scientist in the rank of operations major in the Army Operations, whatever that supposed to be, of the Empire during the flashback scene.
 
There are similar things in the real military. A nurse in the US Army can have the rank of a major and have the position of head nurse. A couple of years ago, I knew a guy, who was a major in the US Air Force. He had a degree in computer science but his occupation in the Air Force was flying a C-130 Hercules.

Same in our Military, In my organisation we have a mix of Lt Colonel's/Colonel's (O5-O6) and Civilians that hold director positions under our CIO ( Chief Information Officer)

alright here we go.  
 
This was the rank structure that was created by Glyn Dillon and David Crossman for Rogue One and the Solo movie.  It is really David Crossman who created this, but he is not on social media and Dillon does speak to it on Twitter and instagram.
 
Here is a close up of the operations officers ranks.  Erso wore the Operations Major rank in the flashback cocktail sequence on Coruscant.  I think Crossman screwed this up because it is equivalent with naval officers... but I digress.  
 
there are a number of people with these rank bars seen in A New Hope and Rogue One.  Chief Bast is the best known, but also is General Romodi, who in the Rogue One visual guide is a veteran of the Clone Wars and is Tarkin's "Old Battle Horse".  Hardly a scientist.
 
He is seen in the ANH conference room scene.
 
And reappears in the Death Star Overbridge seconds before it is destroyed wearing straight pants and Chelsea boots.
 
Title and Rank being different is not a radical concept.  I am sorry you guys do not understand it, but that doesn't mean that it is not valid.  A person can be a drill instructor and Gunnery sergeant at the same time.  A person can be a science officer and a operations major at the same time.  This is easily grasped by most people.  This isn't contradictory.
 
https://twitter.com/JonKasdan/status/1000608682307010560 Here is the link to Jon Kasdan's tweet.  We will see Carida eventually and you will see operations officers there.
 
Kris... you take the air out of the room and end the discussion.  You are confrontational and dismissive.  The only people who perhaps feel they are safe to talk, or permitted to talk, are those appointed or linked to you.  Because of that a lot is missed here or overlooked.  The people participating take their cues from you.  If something should be supported or if it should be attacked, they look to you first.  If it should should be discussed or if it should be ignored, they look to what you say first. 
 
Because of your manner, a number of people that can contribute have walked away.  People with access to information, creators, behinds the scenes stuff.  People who can make things, who are trained tailors, fabric specialists,  people who do this professionally have walked away because of your manner and how you talk to them over even the smallest of things.  Because of that we have in this detachment missed pockets, buttons, snaps, there is almost no discussion on fabric, let alone when a costume has different fabrics meeting one another.  And we proudly say these are the best made costumes anywhere and yet don't want to talk about what they may be missing.  What we have left is a few people skilled and almost no one formally trained.  
 
 

Truthfully what I've seen above is one thing that keeps me away from this forum. You only added evidence to his end statement there in that incoherent rant. I've been on this forum for quite some time and the animosity presented in these blaster waving contests is pushing people away. Information is presented and if it doesn't line up with expectations it is dismissed and deemed contradicting. Where is the information to actually help build these things correctly or start trying to?
 
From what's been presented it seems rather simple to relate the officer's on the yacht to Dillon's rank system and our straight pants officers from ANH. We have this lined up for us far easier than we did even from when I started this process in '09. We have a wealth of information and need to take advantage of it.

Funny I feel the same about you, I have also helped more people in this detachment than you ever will be I digress too as stated this is not a CRL discussion but a movie one where you stated they are not science officer's because of the colour of their tiles now by your own admission you say they can have those tiles and be a science officer and I finish communicating with you

Firstly  your contradicting yourself by saying ' orange tiles are operations' then in your reply you go on about how 'He could be a science officer, his title.  He could also wear the rank of a colonel  as an operations officer in the imperial military. '
You also seem to state you have 'stuff to back it up' however, all you have said it what people have said.
I could quite easily state that George Lucas has said that Star Wars is in the same universe as Star Trek. Does it make it so? No.