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My first draft of an own Fahrenheit 451-CRL. The differences are espacially in the discription of the tunic and the belt.
Forgive my wording-capabilities on some things and alter them if you want
Imperial Hat, black
For 501st approval:-
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable.
- Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
- Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall.
- Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high.
- Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with 5, 6 or 7 concentric stitches.
- Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical flap.
For level two certification (if applicable):
- Code Disk has a notch detail on the outermost disk.
For level three certification (if applicable):
- Code disk exactly matches screen-used prop.
Tunic, Black
For 501st approval:- Fabric should be a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants and hat. Cavlary Twill weave is most accurate.
- Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on at the right shoulder-seam.
- The back of the tunic replicates the front by the given look of the double breasted design of the front.
- Yoke closes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam.
- The standing collar has square corners and is about 1.6" (40.6 mm) tall and closes snugly
- There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.
- Sleeves are long, and without decoration, containing 2 seams, one along the bottom and one along the back. The rear seam opens at the cuffs at a length of about 3" (75mm)
- Tunic should be constructed with top-stitching (stitches visible on the exterior surface of fabric) 0,25" (6mm) from the outer edges of the double breast/double back, 1" (2,54mm) from the outer edge of the double breast/double back and directly underneath the edge of the codecylinder-pockets
- Hook and eye fasteners on the uniform should not be visible.
For level two certification (if applicable):
- There is a dart of about 4" (116 mm) in the top center of the yoke.
- The back of the tunics' replicated double-breast opens at both lower pleats.
For level three certification (if applicable):
- Tunic must be secured on the right side by snaps or buttons, not Velcro. There is no topstitching visible anywhere but at the noted points.
- a lining must be sewn in.
Rank Bar
For 501st approval:- See the Imperial Rank Bar page for more information.
- Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart.
- Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a metal bar
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The bar is 1" (25.4 mm) height.
- Length is determined by chosen rank
- Rank tile dimensions are 1/2" (12.7 mm)width x 3/4" (19 mm) height and about 1/8" (3.2 mm).
- Tiles are mounted with 1/4" (6.4 mm) spaces between them.
- Rank tiles are translucent.
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Color quantity and combinations are determined by rank, and are appropriate to uniform type.
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For example:
- No Grand Moffs wore black uniforms with hats.
- Grand Admiral rank matches Grand Admiral uniform... etc.)
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For example:
For level two certification (if applicable):
- Rank bar consists of between two and six tiles.
For level three certification (if applicable):
- Belt box, code cylinder, and rank badge configuration is consistent with film canon officers.
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There are only Four choices of rank bar for ANH staff officers
- One row of four blue tiles.
- One row of four blue tiles and two amber tiles.
- One row of two red tiles.
- one row of three red tiles.
Code Cylinders
For 501st approval:-
Between 1 to 4 per costume may be worn.
- Modified: silver "chalk holder" tube with short clip and blue colored top.
- Rod style: machined aluminum rod with flaring disc detail at top
- Dosimeter style: True Dosimeter with correct clip and blue top.
- Alternate Style: Silver clip with no blue top.
For level two certification (if applicable):
- Only real or replica dosimeters are used.
- If only one is worn, it is on the left side.
Belt
For 501st approval:- The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
- Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.
- There are no loops on the belt.
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A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle.
- The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer.
- The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
- The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.
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Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center.
- Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.
For level two certification (if applicable):
- Belt is made of leather.
- Snap is worn to the left of the wearer.
- Buckle is flat.
For level three certification (if applicable):
- ANH Staff Officers should have a belt with undyed edges.
Jodhpur Trousers, black
For 501st approval:-
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic and hat.
- Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
- Flared riding breeches are canon.
- Breeches must be worn with boots.
- Pockets are acceptable, although they are not visible with the tunic on.
Officer Boots
For 501st approval:-
Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material.
- Rubber is not acceptable.
- PVC or synthetic material is allowed as long as it gives the appearance of leather.
- There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration.
- Boots have conservative heels.
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If zippers are present, they are hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft.
- Not visible from the front, side or back.
- The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.
For level two certification (if applicable):
- Boots do not have a zipper.
For level three certification (if applicable):
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Boots are made of leather.
- Not vinyl or PVC.
- Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.
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Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable.
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Throwing in my own experience:
When I choosed to be (better "was chosen") Grand Moff Tarkin 2,5 years ago, I was happy to find Philos codecylinders. It took only few days to recieve them (inside Europe) and I liked them very much. Then I got into the details of my costume and found, that Tarkin only used the small hooks in the front, not the entire clip. But in those days the clips on Philos Dosis were fixed/welded and could not be used the way I wanted it. I found another vendor in Austria (smuggler run) who provided the clips that I was looking for. Since then I can wear them the way it is meant to be.
Luckily in Europe we have three sources of accurate stuff: Philo, Smuggler's Run and of course Klaus Windstosser and his "Fräßstüberl" (Cari likes this word). During the last three month our fellow Garrison- and IOC-member Christian Schießl offered a bunch of original blue topped dosimeters in many forums as well as on facebook. Got some for myself and they are great.
It is or will always be a bit of luck to get the most accurate or original stuff. But it ain't impossible. Patience is needed though.
For the entry-level modified chalk holder will do the job. And I agree with those who are calling for better visual guidance in the CRL that shows, how the acceptable options look like. At the moment it is just a bunch of different versions that are not discriped one by one. If we could make a clear discription for each possible version (even for L2/L3) it will make the life of the applicants as well as for the GML a lot easier.
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Stated from a GML's view on a daily basis I can only admit that it is a lot easier to us having single CRL's with clear definitions of a single costume. That helps to axoid overloading the GWL-Forums with questions that occur due to the missing of a 100% clear wording. That has nothing to do with the IOC's CRL's especially - it is just a Thing that happens far to often when I read through the GWL-Forums.
- PArmstr and Tutanchseth
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5 hours ago, Steven said:
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A whole new CRL? Not sure, because only the tunic is different.
But the tunic is the main part of the whole costume. And since the pattern differs in many ways, another description of a tunic's pattern would overload the existing CRL.
- Hask, PArmstr and buckrogersbarker
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Following the screencaps and next to the original Uniform they have altered the collar. The one in ANH is higher than the one in Fahrenheit 451.
- buckrogersbarker and PArmstr
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17 minutes ago, Rhaethe said:
Whilst it may not have been the case then, I do believe that, now, at least one of them sits in a corner, cackling whilst making designs, thinking "Hee hee! Let's see how we can drive those costumers crazy THIS time!"
True words, Cari
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As far as I checked through the screencaps from ANH there is no other tunic than the Fahrenheit 451.
Shall we do a separate CRL for it or will this end up beeing too much?
What is the FISD doing in a similar case? They have two (!) separate CRL's for the Stromtroopers in ANH (Stunt & Hero) even though they only differ in the helmet-desgin and the number of rivets that connect the Holster to the belt. The ESB-TK als has only minor differences to the one in ANH (frown ist black, Holster moved to the right side and uses Loops instead of rivets) but got his own CRL as well.
If one should state the Fahrenheit 451 is similar enough to leave it with one CRL for the staff officer I say: that is not correct.
The Fahrenheit 451-tunic is completely different from the imperial tunic. That's what makes it worth to get an own CRL for it.
What are those differences?
1. The collar Closes on the right shoulder instead of a center closure.
2. the double-breast has two visible seams at each side-edge.
3. the double-breast design continues on the back of the tunic which has the look of open pleats running from the shoulders down.
4. the cuffs are slit.
5. there is a visible seam just beneath the edge of the codecylinder-pocket-edge
6. the center of the skirt part in the back is slit on both sides.
The differences concerning the rest of the costume are the silver Clips of the code-cylinders, the flat belt buckle and the single rank-bar.
Here are some pictures from the movie "Fahrenheit 451":
What was obviously altered by John Mollo was the left side of the double breast. They closed the opened pleat and sewed it closer onto the left side of the front. The codecylinder-pockets have already been there from the beginning.
Thats what I saw in the "starwarsscreencaps" and on the Internet so far. Let's collect some more visual prove her.
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The center-seam is likewise kinda key-element in the animated-series as well as in the computer games. And if you take a look at Hux' tunic: there it is again. For whatever reason this seam raised into focus recently even though it does not replicate the classic design of the imperial uniform.
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But look what the FISD has done. They have separated the ANH-Stormtropper from the ESB-TK even though there are minor differences. More: they separated the ANH-Stormies into Stunt and Hero... We can do this with the Staff officer too without harming everyone.
And concerning the makers: Every professional seamstress and every professional tailor should be capable of reproducing this pattern. Even I as an amateur in sewing think I can do so.
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I just want to chime in on the constructive side here:
Let's make two seperate CRL's: one for the ANH-Fahrenheit 451-Staff-Officer, who is allowed to wear only a single bar rank-badge, another CRL for the common staff officer with the uniform cut in the "imperial pattern" where the applicant himself may choose wheather he wants to be a ROTJ without a rankbar or a Rogue One-Officer with a certain rankbar ... or some officer from comic books with a double rank bar.
This way makes up the chance to offer both - accuracy to the ANH-movie on one side, freedom to choose a different officer with alternate uniform and other references and modifications on the other side. That should be possible to do and would help to end any further discussion.
- DarthFunk83, DaddySolo and Dimentex
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We had approvals in the German Garrison with staff officers and double rank-bars. Event though they were not seen in ANH nor in RotJ we wer always approving them. Today, since the Change, I would go on approving them as Long as there is reference for this. And we have a bunch of reference to this it appears.
I have to confirm the view on the ANH-Fahrenheit 451-Unifom. The current Staff Officer CRL is not correct and needs to be split in two: one for the ANH-Staff Officer, another for the RotJ (without any rankbar), R1, Comics, Games... Everything else would not cover the reality.
Making the single bar rankbar level one but being imprecisely considering the real configuration of a ANH-Uniform in L3 is in contradiction to itself and should be corrected soon. The wording: "ANH officers wear a uniquely designed tunic with subtle differences that are only seen in ANH. Costumers may choose to replicate this design in lieu of the standard officer tunic, but only if doing an ANH Staff Officer." is far too inaccurate next to the fact that the Fahrenheit 451-Uniform differs in a great many ways to the "regular cut" of the officers tunic. These differences are not subtle - they are obvious!
If one should call me for doing work on a "real" ANH-Staff Officer's CRL - just give me a call
Then - and only then - a single bar rankbar makes sense for the ANH Staff Officers. But in this Moment we should have the RotJ/R1/Comic/Game-CRL for the black uniform already in hands.
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Hello fellow officers.
more than two years ago, when I became a member here, I noticed (as many before and after me) that it is hard to find a pattern here for the tunic.
I have sewed a few of those tunics since then (as an amateur - it's just a hobby
) and I just made a small photo-documentation of my recent progress.
I photographed the single pieces from which the tunic will be constructed and drawed in the measurements of them. I hope this will help some of you to create an own pattern for your tunic. And even if you haven never seriously sewed before (like me more than two years ago) - just do it, give it a try. You'll like it - believe me
It is such a great feeling seeing the progress of your own project. And you do not need to work it out by hook or by crook - take yourselves the time you need. This includes re-opening of some seams sometimes. But you'll to this for the better.
The pattern is designed for my father, so it is customized. That means the single parts are made to meet his measurement - not yours. You will need to alter them to make the tunic fit your own body.
My fathers measurements are: 176 cm tall, weight 76kg, chest is 108cm waist is 110cm, back from neck to hip: 42cm, arm length: 62 cm, neck-circumference: 42cm.
Please alway keep in mind, that we need about 10-15mm of seam-allowance at each and every edge of the fabric. Before you sew all of that together, it appears a lot larger of course
The collar:
The chest-pieces:
Right Side:
Left Side:
Double-breast:
The arm-pieces:
The back-pieces:
Construction (where do these parts all have to be placed?):
Right front:
Left front and double-breast:
Back:
(please mind that the center-seam is just here for the Admiral Versio-Uniform. For a regular officer there is no center-seam at all!!!)
Arms:
How to start:
Draw on the pattern-parts and cut them out of the fabric:
Draw them on the facing again an cut those parts too:
Iron the facing onto the inner side of the fabric:
cut of the excess-facing:
This will be continued....
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5 hours ago, Exaldear said:
To be fair. I see normal suits with this seam, so it cannot be that useless.
Some of our applicants in Germany kept telling us their tailors insisted this seam to be necessary for the overall stability of the entire uniform. Nice story indeed - but wrong as well. Through the two princess-seams left and right there is plenty of stability und durability. And as we know it worked for centuries on traditional military-tunics. So there is no professional argument for inplying this seam where it should not be.
But let's keep this topic's focus: the game designers are thoe ones who messed this up
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4 hours ago, Exaldear said:
As for the uniform. I like it, except the belt buckle being flat. That annoys me.
But that is a nice reminder to the Fahrenheit 451-officers in ANH
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47 minutes ago, Sokar117 said:
designer and programmer go full evil and model a new uniform, invert the notch on his hat etc..
... and finally messed it up with a center-seam in the back
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31 minutes ago, Ithilnar said:
In Inferno Squad book he is described as one of "highest-ranking members of the powerful and secretive Imperial Security Bureau". And he has office in ISB building, so...
l already have the book, event though I have not start reading yet.
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The Problem started in ESB when the rank Plaques differed from the ones used in ANH. And it became worse in RotJ. Rogue One on the other Hand stayed orientated on ANH. We could say, the empire changed the bars after the battle of Yavin and go with it. That would not clear the RotJ-Issue but would help to keep at least three movies in a want-to-be logical line. To fix the RotJ-issue, one could assume that These ranks were just disguised ones for that secret-project. That's why a Moff's rank (Jerjerrod) does not differ from an Admiral (Piett).
It's just stupid Fantasy dropped out of my head right now
But maybe it makes more sense than this "sector-specific"-thing.
Concerning Versio: was ist clearly stated he is on the ISB? Or does only his tunic tell us thit? If he'd not be on the ISB, perhaps he is really a part of the fleet. Or he changed from ISB back to fleet (which Yularen did not) and got back his assignment as an Admiral. And before he found time to Change his tunic, the secound death star was destroyed...
By now, we can assume a lot of things. Let's just wait for the game for more info on this question
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35 minutes ago, DarthFunk83 said:
The rank structure in Star Wars has never really made a whole lot of sense...
They have recognized this when they wrote the Rogue One visual guide. concerning the rank-Plaques they said, these would be "sector-specific"
That got them out of that problem
This may mean that you were a General on Bothawui and become a Floorchief on Cato Neimodia with one design of a rank-plaque only
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On 26.09.2017 at 7:59 PM, Sokar117 said:
You might need to have small work done on the trousers, they tend to run quite big, even with custom order, mine where completely oversized (on 2 orders). Nothing diffcult to correct but it adds a few coins to the total if you can't do it on your own.
Cosplaysky always comes oversized. Two years ago I ordered one uniform for myself, than for my wife and laste year for my fahther. All were custom measured but alle were oversized. Espacially he "elphant ears" of the pants needed intensve care to be cut smaller and get reinforced by some facing you could iron in.
The most annoying thing in my experience is the collar. It always seems to be too wide at most costumers. Furthermore there is always a certain gab underneath the collars closure but above the Point where the Zipper Ends. This leaves an ugly hole where you can see the Skin.
And happend not only sometimes: as an GML in our Garrison I see this far too often at the cosplaysky-tunic. Even though it matches the Level 3 references concerning the pattern, there is still some work to do - even for some Basic things to get the Level 1 approval.
But you have a chance to close this gap optically: you sew in a new and larger modesty Panel into the collar. One that reaches more downwards to fill the gap from behind and makes the skin invisible.
On the other hand Cosplaysky comes quite inexpensive, which makes it a good one for starting an officers build. But, as stated, there is regularly some work to do until approval.
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Then let's stop the debate - let's go to work
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27 minutes ago, gmrhodes13 said:
Not as many sew lines on the hat either.
Those game-designers took at least the CRL's minimum number of five sew lines on the hats bill. But they pretty much messed up two different uniforms (Basic Grand Admiral/Krennic and ISB) into a new one. And that makes it look like a chimera
I agree with Tutanchseth to create an own CRL for this ... thing
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You found yet another interesting Detail on the Rogue One tunics: the dart running down from the collar is a little longer than the horizontal line of the pockets edges. It's the same with Tarkin here:
And this is him in ANH: the dart ends with the horizontal line of the pocket-edges:
Thank you for pointing this out