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I edited the CRL draft and added an English Riding Boots and First Order Style Boots Option. As it seems that we have both styles in R1, because of the recycling of props.

I'm fine with this.

These productions are mixing.  While one is being filmed, another one is on deck 

Perhaps the CRL should include both versions as an option because both seem to be used in the movie.

Damn they are dark, you need to turn up the light a bit
So let's make the strap L3 as it is for Krennic.

All changes that I made to the original post of the proposed CRL are shown in green.
 
 
Imperial Navy Helmet
For 501st approval:
For more detailed images, see the Imperial Navy Helmet Detail page. 12" (304.8mm) diameter black plastic dome. Front and back covers with 1.5" (38.1mm) holes over-laid onto dome. Back "wing" extending about 4" (101.6mm) below the rim of the dome at the sides and about 7" (177.8mm) at the back, encompassing about half the circumference of the helmet. Ear blocks with a bend to match the flare of the "wing" over each ear at the front ends of the "wing" with geometric circle patterns in the top half and a spaced out area of "dimples" in the lower half. For level two certification (if applicable):
Helmet must very closely match the details seen on screen For level three certification (if applicable):
Must exactly match a specific helmet worn on-screen.  
 
Tunic
For 501st approval:
Fabric should be black or a very dark blue Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. Yoke comes straight across from the collar center not coming up to the shoulder seam. The standing collar has square corners and should cover ½ to 2/3 of the neck. A modesy panel can be present. Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons Tunic shall not have the standard code cylinder pockets. Darts and princess seams on the front are permitted for a better fit of the tunic A seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing the top from the skirt is permitted  For level two certification (if applicable):
There is a seam down the center of the yoke There is top stitching down the yoke about 50mm from the edge There is a slit on both side seams that goes up about 1/3 of the total length of the tunic Sleeves have two seams, one along the bottom and one along the back. The point of the yoke comes across and slightly up. For level three certification (if applicable):
The fabric should be wool There are princess seams on the back of the tunic There is a seam down the center of the back There shall be no seam running the entire circumference of the tunic There is top stitching on the top of the yoke running from the middle seam around the yoke down the hem. The top stitching is about 10mm from the edge. There is top stitching around the wrist area of the sleeve. The top stitching is about 10mm from the edge. There is top stitching around the bottom hem of the front and back of the tunic. The top stitching in about 10mm from the edge. There is top stitching around the edge of the collar. The top stitching is about 10mm from the edge There is lining inside the tunic Snaps or buttons hidden behind a panel are used for closure There shall not be extra darts or princess seams on the front  
 
Black Gauntlet Gloves
For 501st approval:
Black, leather or leather-like, enclosed fingered, non-textured, fitted gauntlet style.  For level two certification (if applicable):
Gauntlets are made of leather.  For level three certification (if applicable):
Gauntlets have a strap with a buckle around the wrist. Gaunlet have red lining  
 
Belt
For 501st approval:
The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.  For level two certification (if applicable):
Belt is made of leather. For level three certification (if applicable): 
Snap is worn to the left of the wearer. Buckle has a slight horizontal  
 
Trousers
For 501st approval:
Trousers should be made of the same fabric as the tunic Trousers should have same color as tunic Pockets are acceptable, although not visible with the tunic on. Pants are neatly pressed with no center crease and are tucked into boots.  
Boots
For 501st approval:
Calf high black leather or leather like material. Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot, with the buckle no wider than 1". This need not be functional. Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/ leather, it is painted black. German "jack boot" style boots are most canon. For level two certification (if applicable):
 Boots are made of leather. For level three certification (if applicable):
Original German jack boots (or ?Knobelbechers?) or an authentic replication thereof. Boots have the top adjustment strap.  
 
Optional Accessories
Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present
appear as described below.
 
 
Belt Boxes
For 501st approval:
Two vertical belt boxes, one on either side of the belt buckle Dimensions are approximately 2 1/2" (63.5 mm) by 3 1/2" (88.9 mm) by 1" (25.4 mm) thick. For level two certification (if applicable):
Belt boxes should include a lid on back of the box. Project boxes are not allowed for level 2 and 3 clearance. For level three certification (if applicable):
 Belt boxes are constructed of metal.  
 
Imperial Hat, black
For 501st approval:
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall. Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high. Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with 5, 6 or 7 concentric stitches. Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical flap. For level two certification (if applicable):
Code Disk has a notch detail on the outermost disk.  For level three certification (if applicable):
Code disk exactly matches screen-used prop.  
 
Holster
For 501st approval:
Made of black leather or leather-like material. For level two certification (if applicable):
Holster should be made of leather For level three certification (if applicable):
DH-17 holster should be worn on the right side E-11 holster should be worn on the left side  
 
DH-17 Blaster
For 501st approval:
Scratch built, high-end prop replica or a modified commercial toy Rebel Trooper blaster.  
 
BlasTech E-11
For 501st approval:
Scratch-built, high-end prop replica or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster.

I can add the red lining of the gauntlet on level 3. It can also be seen on the two IN that guard the door of the conference room. The princess seam cannot been seen it the movie itself that is the reason that I put it on level 3. The book Star Wars Costumes the original trilogy states on page 21 that NY police tunics were used. I found some old NYPD tunics on some auction sites. The princess seams can been seen clearly on those photos. 
 

Here are some changes I want to make to my CRL proposal. First I want to take out the fabric suggestion on level 1 because it is wrong. On level 1 and 2 the fabric choice should be up to the costumer. We know that that the NY police tunics were made out of blue wool, which looked black on screne,  so that should be stated in level 3. I am also taking out the exact height of the collar because everybody neck has a different length. I made the changes in green.
 
Tunic
For 501st approval:
Fabric should be black or a very dark blue Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. Yoke comes straight across from the collar center not coming up to the shoulder seam. The standing collar has square corners and should cover ½ to 2/3 of the neck. A modesy panel can be present. Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons Tunic shall not have the standard code cylinder pockets. Darts and princess seams on the front are permitted for a better fit of the tunic A seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing the top from the skirt is permitted  
 For level two certification (if applicable):
There is a seam down the center of the yoke There is top stitching down the yoke about 50mm from the edge There is a slit on both side seams that goes up about 1/3 of the total length of the tunic Sleeves have two seams, one along the bottom and one along the back. The point of the yoke comes across and slightly up.  
 For level three certification (if applicable):
The fabric should be dark blue wool. There are princess seams on the back of the tunic There is a seam down the center of the back There shall be no seam running the entire circumference of the tunic There is top stitching on the top of the yoke running from the middle seam around the yoke down the hem. The top stitching is about 10mm from the edge. There is top stitching around the wrist area of the sleeve. The top stitching is about 10mm from the edge. There is top stitching around the bottom hem of the front and back of the tunic. The top stitching in about 10mm from the edge. There is top stitching around the edge of the collar. The top stitching is about 10mm from the edge There is lining inside the tunic Snaps or buttons hidden behind a panel are used for closure There shall not be extra darts or princess seams on the front  

Why does he wear First Order boots??? There's clealy a seam and a uniformly sole. That's...   interesting

Not only for the look of the classic boots I would prefer keeping them. And yes, they recycle a lot at Pinewood, something the Empire should also begin to think about.
 
I was aware of that, but we know how these things can get out of hand  
 
So May the Force be with us  

I just took a look at the screen caps of R1. We cannot see the boots very well but it is enough to conform the the type of boots the guy wears. The definitively look like FO boots to me but I am not an expert for the FO uniforms.
 


 

I tell the emperor about it
As for the name "Line Officer", I'm sure this discussion could fill another whole thread and I always enjoy a good argumentation, but please let us stay on topic and let's focus on the guys in the black Uniforms.
 
 
As for the funny looking boots, I'm no fan of them. But I think this is the only (or one of the few) shot where you can see the boots of an Officer in R1.
 
Thanks for your input Scott. But no one is interested in splitting them up in several CRLs for every role they have within the imperial order. Things like this can be explained in the opening text of the CRLs. So to me there will only be one, no confusion  

I have to check my screens when I'm back to work. As long as the majority of the Staff personell wears the 'classic' boots I see no reason to include the 'FO' boots. At least we know now that they recycle everythimg they have at Pinewood.
 
And don't worry Stefan, I didn't want to hijack this thread to start a discussion about wther or not to change the name of the Line Officer CRL.
And I'd also vote for a single additional CRL beside the ANH variant, whatver the name will be.

We don’t have long to wait to hear what these are called.  There is an entire scene where Han Solo picks his service branch and what he does. I think we will be getting proper names shortly.  

Thanks, Steven. I do the best I can to serve the Galatic Empire.
 
What about the name I found for the green officers in Rogue One? On page 117 of the Star Wars Rogue One - The Ultimate visual Guide Captain Shaef Corrsin, which is wearing what we call a line officer uniform, is called a "Imperial Navy officer". I would really prefer to call them "Imperial Navy officer" instead of line officer and it does also sound a lot better as the name Starfleet officer that @buckrogersbarker suggested, which sound to much like Star Trek to me.

The black officers in Rogue one are definitively security officers. I am quoting the Lieutenant Milton Putna entry from page 147 of the Star Wars Rogue One - The Ultimate visual Guide   "A librarian-turned-security officer, Putna is well versed with the layout of the datatape library tree. Acess into the main vault door is keyed to his palm print."
 
On page 117 Captain Shaef Corrsin, which is wearing what we call a line officer uniform, is called a "Imperial Navy officer".

I haven't yet played Battlefront, but dug up some old convos about those pinholes in other officer badges from the movies.  It is amazing that they picked out that tiny little detail and made sure to put it in the game, yet changed so many other things about the uniform and bars!

I know, right? It's like the game designers are telling us "hey, we could make this stuff uber-accurate if we wanted to, but will still make it our own creation".  

The shadow underneath the rankbar makes no sense at all. A straight edge with a brick-like shadow?
 
I am still uncertain if there are small holes or little elevated dots in the corners. On the left side of the picture they look like holes - they are darker. On the right side they are bright and seem to catch the light from the right which makes them appear like dots raised up from the bar.

If you mean the differences concerning the pattern, we had a topic a while ago were we took together what we found out about that:
 

If you mean the differences concerning the pattern, we had a topic a while ago were we took together what we found out about that:
 

I though a bit about the collar and the modesty panel. And from a technical point of few the modesty panel would make sense to achieve a clean look. Why that? At a regular imperial tunic we have the closure of the double breast on the right shoulder. So all the downward-pull will not effect the collar because the double breast's upper edge rund around the front part of the collar and gets slighty pushed against it.
 
In case of the Versio-tunic the double breast is closed underneath the collarbone of the tunic which enables the downward-pull to effect the collar closure. This downward-pull might cause the collar to stand open which could harm the clean look of the screen-caps.
 
I tried to show what I mean in this picture:

 
So maybe a modesty panel could be made recommended for the clean look of the collar-closure even though it will not be a strict requirement for the costume. But the collar-closrue should look clean of course even without the modesty panel.
 

Edited  

Apologies, that's what I was suggesting add the line A lining is preferred but not required, this should be standard as if its not seen then it cant be enforced  

I have not seen yet they have indeed split it up from one to three separate CRL's. Good to know  Their color-game was a bit confusing too.