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For real - I'm no grammar guy but that made my old English teacher roll over in her grave

@nocternus I am going to send you a box of commas for your birthday one day
 
Anywho. 
 
Can the chalk cylinders be made to look good ?  Yes.
 
Then the applicant should be worked with and guided to how to make the things look good.  GML's passing horrible looking chalkholders isn't the fault of the standard, per se`.  Should the language used be looked at to help tighten the gap on what is a "bad" chalkholder and what isn't?  Maybe, and worth consideration.
 
 

I want to address something I keep seeing brought up - "it's more expensive to upgrade later" - And?

We allow Pleather boots that have zippers.  The cost difference between those and real English Riding boots that are fit to your calves is several hundred dollars USD - I imagine it's even more in some other places.  Yet no one is suggesting we eliminate all boots other than real English Riding Boots because it's "more expensive to upgrade later."
 
While I appreciate that many people want to go for L2/L3, everyone ELSE must appreciate that there is a good portion of the 501st that simply wants a costume - in our case for officers, the most common one I hear is "something I can sit in."

IMHO, the rule at L1 should be "at 15-20 feet can the average person tell the difference?" - with the Chalk holders, if done correctly per the CRL, no, they cannot.  So what exactly is the big deal?

LOL.  Yeah, one of our younger members was asking one of the seamstresses here what the point of all the stitching was.  We pointed out the point was probably some designer at LFL going "hey 501st, HAVE FUN!" and cackling sadisticly

Agreed.  I took a close look at that when it first came out, all excited.  
 
And then promptly noped the hell out. 

Four words - Imperial Ground Crew Jumpsuit.

Who else besides Philo in Italy makes them? I don’t agree yet - everyone in Star is still ordering from Philo and it’s 2-4 months till they see them


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That would be my point. I know of one guy who bought some original ones here in the states but that was a one off - until we have several consistant vendors I do not agree with removing lower standards


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I want to address something I keep seeing brought up - "it's more expensive to upgrade later" - And?

We allow Pleather boots that have zippers.  The cost difference between those and real English Riding boots that are fit to your calves is several hundred dollars USD - I imagine it's even more in some other places.  Yet no one is suggesting we eliminate all boots other than real English Riding Boots because it's "more expensive to upgrade later."
 
While I appreciate that many people want to go for L2/L3, everyone ELSE must appreciate that there is a good portion of the 501st that simply wants a costume - in our case for officers, the most common one I hear is "something I can sit in."

IMHO, the rule at L1 should be "at 15-20 feet can the average person tell the difference?" - with the Chalk holders, if done correctly per the CRL, no, they cannot.  So what exactly is the big deal?

I want to address something I keep seeing brought up - "it's more expensive to upgrade later" - And?

We allow Pleather boots that have zippers.  The cost difference between those and real English Riding boots that are fit to your calves is several hundred dollars USD - I imagine it's even more in some other places.  Yet no one is suggesting we eliminate all boots other than real English Riding Boots because it's "more expensive to upgrade later."
 
While I appreciate that many people want to go for L2/L3, everyone ELSE must appreciate that there is a good portion of the 501st that simply wants a costume - in our case for officers, the most common one I hear is "something I can sit in."

IMHO, the rule at L1 should be "at 15-20 feet can the average person tell the difference?" - with the Chalk holders, if done correctly per the CRL, no, they cannot.  So what exactly is the big deal?

That might have been Strongbow. Im more inclined to agree with James.
 
Sure, Philo makes the best code cylinders out there, but L1 should still be "accessible" and if you get reproduction clips, the chalk holders dont look that bad. And if they choose to upgrade and go up to L2/3, then cost of upgrading is something they weight of whether they want to do it or not. 

Just my personal opinion, but chalk holders seem to do the job. They're a quick, cheap, easy to obtain fix for a faffy part of certain costumes.
And this is coming from me! I'm normally a big stickler for accuracy! So long as the cylinders are -present- and you've made an effort to match the tops (painted blue for Krennic etc) and the clip (brass or silver etc) then I don't see the issue?
 
This is pushbuttons required for basic all over again, when plexiglass works completely fine and they are far more widely manufactured. And even then, the list of trusted makers of plexi-plaques is still a short one.
 
I feel that stuff like this is absolutely what the level 2 and 3 req's are for. All components and design elements of a costume should be present at level one, with a "good enough" bar set for quality. Level 2 you can start requiring screen used -or- exact replicas. Level 3 for the crazies who want to fork out £30+ each for actual dosis, if they can even find them.
 
Lets not make this any harder than it really needs to be? This is an expensive hobby at the best of times.
 
Again, just my opinion.

I just want to chime in on the constructive side here:
 
Let's make two seperate CRL's: one for the ANH-Fahrenheit 451-Staff-Officer, who is allowed to wear only a single bar rank-badge, another CRL for the common staff officer with the uniform cut in the "imperial pattern" where the applicant himself may choose wheather he wants to be a ROTJ without a rankbar or a Rogue One-Officer with a certain rankbar ... or some officer from comic books with a double rank bar.
 
This way makes up the chance to offer both - accuracy to the ANH-movie on one side, freedom to choose a different officer with alternate uniform and other references and modifications on the other side. That should be possible to do and would help to end any further discussion.

We all do, in some ways. Most people like Pablo and the story group are VERY accessible - both on Twitter, and though mutual friends in our own legion. The Rogue One costume group seems to love answering our questions - it’s one of the ways we realized the Krennic gloves and boots were not just off the shelf items.

Plus the plethora of games, comics (both the old Marvel/Dark Horse that are now Legends, as well as the current Marvel that is cannon), cartoons, etc. The fact we’re even DISCUSSING trying to exclude items that are cannon, whether or not certain people want them to be, is... well, atrocious.

It’s time to stop pretending we’re blissfully unaware of anything outside of the OT when it comes to rank bars and accept all sources.


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The issue is we can't restrict it to OT.  As Bob said, OT only had the 451 costume with rank bars - and we have never bothered to build that CRL, so the current Staff Officer isn't even ANH - it's either R1 or comics/games/EU.

For example, in BF2 coming out now:

 
Black(ish, but it's supposed to be black) with double stacked rank bars.

The change was made sometime this year - I know because one of my GMLs asked m as IOC Advisor why that was changed, and I didn't even know it was.  It ws after Celebration if memory serves me, but I can't say that the change wasn't earlier.

If we want to build a 451 CRL and restrict the badges to only those seen in ANH, cool.  But this?  This is more than a hodgepodge mishmash, and was changed without notice.  I would suggest until this is worked out the original text from last year be restored to it.

The issue is we can't restrict it to OT.  As Bob said, OT only had the 451 costume with rank bars - and we have never bothered to build that CRL, so the current Staff Officer isn't even ANH - it's either R1 or comics/games/EU.

For example, in BF2 coming out now:

 
Black(ish, but it's supposed to be black) with double stacked rank bars.

The change was made sometime this year - I know because one of my GMLs asked m as IOC Advisor why that was changed, and I didn't even know it was.  It ws after Celebration if memory serves me, but I can't say that the change wasn't earlier.

If we want to build a 451 CRL and restrict the badges to only those seen in ANH, cool.  But this?  This is more than a hodgepodge mishmash, and was changed without notice.  I would suggest until this is worked out the original text from last year be restored to it.

The issue is we can't restrict it to OT.  As Bob said, OT only had the 451 costume with rank bars - and we have never bothered to build that CRL, so the current Staff Officer isn't even ANH - it's either R1 or comics/games/EU.

For example, in BF2 coming out now:

 
Black(ish, but it's supposed to be black) with double stacked rank bars.

The change was made sometime this year - I know because one of my GMLs asked m as IOC Advisor why that was changed, and I didn't even know it was.  It ws after Celebration if memory serves me, but I can't say that the change wasn't earlier.

If we want to build a 451 CRL and restrict the badges to only those seen in ANH, cool.  But this?  This is more than a hodgepodge mishmash, and was changed without notice.  I would suggest until this is worked out the original text from last year be restored to it.

The issue is we can't restrict it to OT.  As Bob said, OT only had the 451 costume with rank bars - and we have never bothered to build that CRL, so the current Staff Officer isn't even ANH - it's either R1 or comics/games/EU.

For example, in BF2 coming out now:

 
Black(ish, but it's supposed to be black) with double stacked rank bars.

The change was made sometime this year - I know because one of my GMLs asked m as IOC Advisor why that was changed, and I didn't even know it was.  It ws after Celebration if memory serves me, but I can't say that the change wasn't earlier.

If we want to build a 451 CRL and restrict the badges to only those seen in ANH, cool.  But this?  This is more than a hodgepodge mishmash, and was changed without notice.  I would suggest until this is worked out the original text from last year be restored to it.

The issue is we can't restrict it to OT.  As Bob said, OT only had the 451 costume with rank bars - and we have never bothered to build that CRL, so the current Staff Officer isn't even ANH - it's either R1 or comics/games/EU.

For example, in BF2 coming out now:

 
Black(ish, but it's supposed to be black) with double stacked rank bars.

The change was made sometime this year - I know because one of my GMLs asked m as IOC Advisor why that was changed, and I didn't even know it was.  It ws after Celebration if memory serves me, but I can't say that the change wasn't earlier.

If we want to build a 451 CRL and restrict the badges to only those seen in ANH, cool.  But this?  This is more than a hodgepodge mishmash, and was changed without notice.  I would suggest until this is worked out the original text from last year be restored to it.

Hello hello!
 
Something caught my eye in an ongoing staff officer build thread, and it was suggested that a CRL discussion thread be created to spin the conversation away from the poor OP's thread:
 
 
As a person extremely interested in building a staff officer in the future (I'm a sucker for black uniforms <3) and who'd wanted a captain or lieutenant plaque (purely because they're visually interesting to me) I'm... disappointed to find out that this wouldn't be possible? And I'm struggling to understand particularly why? It's a fairly dramatic change and one which I'm sure the general public won't particularly care about.
 
A call to action then! I'm fairly new to posting here regularly, so if there was previous discussion here, can those threads be linked so I can read the history behind this decision? I also appreciate that this appears to be a controversial and possibly overdone topic, and I do apologise if I'm dragging the old bones back up to pick over, but I'd honestly appreciate an explanation with refs and reasonings. I had my heart set on my two-line rank plaque!
 
Thankyou in advance!

I just looked at the updated Krennic CRL and noticed something about the cap code disk. I scanned the Krennic CRL thread but didn't find what I was looking for. Doesn't Krennic have a code disk with an Imperial logo instead of the standard code disk?
 

Well, it got off the main FB page, which is what I meant. Internal arguments, while not great, happen, but when people decided to take it to the post on the official page and make us all look bad is where I had a problem with it.


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'Zee plot thickens, no?

Finally put together a case for all my extra stuffs.  A friend gave me her old camera case - I'll probably replace the foam after a while, I got quick and inexpensive on the pick and pull foam, and while it works, moving it in and out shows why it was so inexpensive  
 
Case

 
Open Case

 
Top Layer

 
Middle Layer

 
Bottom Layer

Sadly, this is why I advise that a photo hosting service is never your SOLE storage mechanism.  I know it is for many people, and that can be a problem when things like this happen.