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Hello Robert! I am so glad and and thankful that you responded. All of us not communicating and not listening to each other and transparency is what landed us all in the situation and Detachment clement we are in today. This is no one persons fault it is all of our faults and I am here to stand up and say I apologize and I will be the first to admit there have been huge mistakes. I hope that moving forward we can forgive (but not forget).
I do not think that is ending and I do not want it to, in fact the charter flat out calls for Membership to assist in the creation of CRLS. So if that were happening we would be in violation of our own rules.
Honestly the detachment is just trying out new things and change is very very much needed and not everything works out but continuing on the path we are currently on will only lead to disaster. This is a huge, passionate and busy Detachment (one of the busiest in fact) and keeping up with all things is hard.
Also I am extremely dinky at times. You may want to ask a question directly to us because I am not seeing it as clearly as perhaps you are and I apologize.
So I hate just rambling off ideas and comments without also offering to help and or suggest something.
Would it be helpful If we wrote out something that full on explained (in details) what we are looking for in a CRL?
I personally have written one before and it was scrapped as it will take actual Legion Council approval to hit the site itself but I would be very happy if we all could utilize the guide to make informed decisions as a team and work though things in the future.
QuoteIn reference to the updates to the existing CRLs, if a modification is made to one of them, how will regular member be able to have their say if the choice is incorrect?
By incorrect do you meant opinion or actual incorrect information?
-If you mean opinion as described above please post your grievances to the command staff here.
-if its an actual error please mail me.
QuoteIn the past there has been updates to existing CRLs that have limited what could be done at level 1 to a narrow limited interpretation when the broader Lucasfilm sources allow for much more than that.
Do you mean that there are a lot of options?
Yes, us as LMOS make this choice in the end. We take the basic, most used. most seen part and put that into a CRL.
sometimes optional of like items that occur as often happens.
We can not (nor should we need to) list every single option that was seen on screen.
As I said before there were 18 Obi-Wans made and all of them slightly different.Just like in the Kylo Ren CRL only the hood up is an option. Why? Cause its most iconic
that is our goal. There is leeway like you will see in the newest Praetorian Guard CRL where you can have two neck options for the collar on the shirt.
Perhaps on some of these that can be looked into
QuoteAlso, in the creation of new costumes, there are many members connected to film makers, costume collectors, video game makers and Lucasfilm officials that bring tremendous resources to the table.
Correct and that will never stop! In fact you guys are one of my favorite detachments due to the resourcefulness of being able to attain information.
BRAVO!
QuoteIn the past we have missed in the creation of new costumes, pockets, snaps, collars, material and even colors. How will they be included to bring key information to these costume creations?
As CRLS are living documents this will never change as per the charter and op protocol calls out Green lit CRLs are changed infrequently.
**Spoiler alert** Major CRL changes sometimes we give a 30 day window as we are with Joeys new officer costume which will be changing another CRL by default with this new information
QuoteBy what format and method will they be able to share what they know without being a member of these teams? Will these teams comprise any trained tailors or fabric specialists? By what means will you demonstrate their qualifications?
Anyone and everyone should have a voice in things when possible. Im busy, it cant always happen overnight and I cant throw things into CRLS immediatly. We want to eliminate the wait and speed up the process and cultivate a place of positive action for this detachment.
Also what we REALLY want to do is stop the "dumpster" fire effect. Its been really intense and allowing members to bicker over and over and over and beat dead horses is creating an extremely toxic environment in this Detachment.
QuoteWith all due respect, that doesn’t answer the questions I had or the concerns that I and others would have.
Sorry, rewording what I wrote
QuoteAll that is being described is an end to the transparency, what little we had, on the creation of new costumes, what details they should include and credit given to who has done so.
If you ever feel that you are somehow being silenced please message us at LMO@501st.com
I promise you that will not happen. Its gonna be hard at first learning how to go about this new system but we need change and I support trying things
QuoteThese open forums allowed discussion on fundamental costume design of the things I described. If it wasn’t for the membership stepping forward and providing the evidence they did, these CRLs would be very different than what they are listed today.
I absolutely agree though even if this forum was removed you know how to get a hold of us. You know you can come to any of us if you have reference images and proof and its a warranted change that it would be added.
QuoteI don’t want to re-litigate the past, but in every single case, transparency was what caused the staff to reverse direction of the CRL decisions they were making. It was very contentious to even mention these disagreements to the people you are suggesting speaking to.
Well, you have no experience with me. Mail me.
QuoteThe open forum was the only place they could be aired. It was the only place that people with the right training, skill and knowledge could provide what they knew for examination.
Correct. Issues were aired but in far to many cases it turned into fueled dumpster fires. I want to help change that. Which is why I think that showing folks how to write CRLS and why we do what we do is needed. I manage 4 detachments and this one takes up the most time and its time I could have spent fixing CRLS.
I am literally neck deep mitigating arguments and wading through "opinions" and I manage the Sith Lords so that should be saying something.
QuoteI am very concerned that is going to end. It was the only means of public recourse
Evaluating how we do things needs to happen.
Its needed to happen for a long time.
Change is hard, trust me I get it. I am just asking that you give us a chance.
Thank you,
Dawn
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4 hours ago, buckrogersbarker said:
In reference to the updates to the existing CRLs, if a modification is made to one of them, how will regular member be able to have their say if the choice is incorrect? In the past there has been updates to existing CRLs that have limited what could be done at level 1 to a narrow limited interpretation when the broader Lucasfilm sources allow for much more than that.
Also, in the creation of new costumes, there are many members connected to film makers, costume collectors, video game makers and Lucasfilm officials that bring tremendous resources to the table. In the past we have missed in the creation of new costumes, pockets, snaps, collars, material and even colors. How will they be included to bring key information to these costume creations? By what format and method will they be able to share what they know without being a member of these teams? Will these teams comprise any trained tailors or fabric specialists? By what means will you demonstrate their qualifications?
Hello to you Robert!
We are very very careful about updating existing CRLS that are green lit, we dont want to piss off the generic membership base (who may not be here) and willy nilly make modifications.
There is very simple ways you can let us know.
1. Contact the Detachment Leader (just shoot him a PM) or Kris
OR
2.Contact the LMO LMO@501st.com (or shoot me a PM)
If you want something changed err on the side of contacting the CRL staff.
and if something is wrong....
err on the side of contacting the LMO.
Each of us have to talk to each other before something happens so either of us are fine.
Also I could go on for days as to how theres different instances of different things in nearly every costume (there were 18 copies of Obi-wan made for ep3 for example). Sometimes we just dont add things when a CRL goes live because it...
a. Isnt super noticeable
b. Doesn't occur often on a costume
c. Is a very minute detail
d. Cause we are mean mean LMOS (ok jk) <3
A lot of things written are x'ed from a CRL draft, this is not the Detachment Staff its me removing it. As a LMO I want the membership base to generally have access to costumes while maintaining costuming excellence. Which is why we LOVE L2 and 3 stuff. I know this can frustrate the (detail minded) membership base and let me tell you I was one of those people so I sympathize completely. Back when I wrote the original draft for the Kylo Ren CRL I was all about how many inches of this or that or how many pleats were on his sleeve. Though at the end of the day I have leaned to see things in many forms and not everyone wants a tier 3 costume. What we do want to avoid is incorrect information. Also we are all human and we all make mistakes, so dont hesitate to reach out to us! We are here to help, and we are here for you guys.
I cant (nor will I) speak for how they will choose but I would prefer to work with a team of people who are positive and experienced in a way that they are open to understand that things change and not everything will go into a CRL that they "explicitly wanted" and that doesn't make it wrong. But thats not my job to choose who goes into that team....
Hope this helps!
Dawn
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11 hours ago, Angelus said:
Sometime it will be posted on this link at times "New to the Legion Costumes In Progress"
http://databank.501st.com/databank/New_to_the_Legion_Costumes_in_Progress
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Sometime it takes time, as everyone have a day job to do so the update on it can be slow. For new CRL, it is better at least the done outfit to post up on the new CRL post and PM the Detachment people that an outfit is ready.
So movie like SOLO, when the DVD is only out in later of the year, So most of the people who are doing the research on the SOLO movie outfits have to wait for more picture from the DVD.
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We did somewhat have a update/need/upcoming CRL post which last year's LMO did. Which we can request for that kind of post again to be up?
Generally we have been just doing them after review every so often. We made a few changes to various CRLS every month or so
We try and be very careful updating Green Lit CRLS as to not piss off the membership base working on the costume to much. All these things are approved by the Detachment Leader and LMO before being put into a CRL.
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IIRC, the LMOs (and sorry, I'm not even sure what that stands for nor what they do) are the ones who update and create CRLs.
Hello!!! I am Dawn! One of the LMOs with the Legion! Heres a board I made.
I always stress to people Mail Us mail us Mail us! We are here, we are not psychic and we dont check out random boards (as there are a ton) we LMOS manage many Detachments CRLs so telling us (and mainly the Detachment Leaders) theres an issue is key.
Please review my post I think youll find it helpful.
Happy to help!
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Thank you so much Mark for your dedication and work with this. It is very appreciated!
Some things for folks to keep in mind....
-We do not make CRLS when there is not a model (someone who has made the costume)
-Please mail LMO@501st.com to ask if a costume could be included into the Legion. We will get back to you in less than a day usually.
-We do not update things willy nilly, we have to keep a few things in mind that minute details do not need to be added and when possible level 2 and 3 should be utilized.
-Crls are guides for GMLS to approve costumes, not for makers to use as schematics.
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I LOVE the name dress uniform for that hux style outfit!
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On 6/22/2018 at 6:05 AM, bjsavage7 said:
This is highly possible. Just my 2 cents: I suggest we move forward with it as-is & just update it as-needed, if EPVIIII provides any new info on it, i.e. rank title, back details, ect.
Exactly. We have plenty of OT costumes that have been retconned from one rank/title to another once new canon came out. We can still see the physical costume & replicate that (which has been done), if not the correct/exact title for it. No reason this costume will be different. Perhaps make it a variant for now, since someone has actually made the costume, and not just talked about it and expected a CRL to somehow pop up without a model. I say we go with it.
Im happy if you guys are <3
PS Yall better give me a name or ima name it
Flat Fold Over Officer
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You have done so much work on this and I love it. I just want to be very clear with you. The IOC staff loves this and wants this to happen. But I'm on the fence. Reference wise a few members of the LMO team are not entirely convinced of what's going on with the costume.
I'll be frank..
I have no issue using reasonable assesment to make a costume we will never see again.
However!
This one I feel like we are gonna potentially get a ton more of.(the first order has another whole movie)
So my question is the following...
1. Pants: what kind is this guy wearing. Need visual reference.
2. Back (any of it) do we have absolutely any information about the back of this costume that's visual?
Thank you so much you guys. We want this to succeed.
I hope you can see where we are coming from. If something happens later and that back ends up being different who's gonna take the heat? The LMO office... So help me help you guys
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Yeah we obviously wouldn't go into such details in the crl. Great details for the forums though. But yeah on the one it looked like it was a box pleat type deal. (Closed) and then Hask is a slit. Then the BF2 generic is just closed and a bell shaped skirt.
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Got you. I was probably just seeing the wrinkles and assumed. Does the Lut have a kick pleat?
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Hi all! I went over the diagram I did earlier and made changes based on that T-model that was posted. WOW neat thank you again for posting. I would LOVE To see the Generic Officers now.
From this you can see I added quite a few....
- I realize some of these are small
- I realize some of these could be argued
- I realize some of these have been argued
- But WOW thats a ton of differences.
Click twice for larger image
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Now that I see this model.
Hasks bum has a slit and the generic officer is a Kick pleat I believe.
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17 hours ago, OfficerPouty said:
Just to note that the T Pose reference is most likely a prototype model of Hask, as on his holster it shows the clip to holder the blaster in place and in the actual in-game footage, it does not appear at all.
WOW GREAT FIND!!!
Alright so this is clearly a 100% unlit model.
That belt is way lighter than the suit. Its also dirty as hell on those boots.
The suit is Darker than the belt 100% no arguing that
this is a t-model render! Freaking amazing.
Now.. anyway to get that generic officer? <3
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14 minutes ago, rattleandburn said:
This is not the thread for it, it needs its own ammendment thread, but the decision to make it a multiple costume CRL was made not by those who researched it.
-rank band
-hat pin
-sleeve seam
-gloves (stitching vs. none, very clear reference pics)
(these are the Big Ones that aren't construction based)then, ones that could be ignored
-collar shape (curved corners vs. pointy)
-visible waist seam, seen in action shots in TLJ not visible in similar pose and bending in TFA
Again I raelly dont want in on this argument, just that the proposed CRL is not confusing, and we should keep the process the same for everyone. If its going to be separated for this, why did the others get jammed into one with no research done. But if going forward we're separating, then I'd be glad to start that ammendment thread with all the photo refs for the changes to split the grey uniform CRL.Thank you so much for this! that is a lot of changes and no its relevant. I appreciate it. I kept asking and no one would tell me
I also agree a board needs to be made.
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1 minute ago, Dimentex said:
I get the worry, Dawn, but I respectfully disagree - look at line and Staff officers, there are so many "if you're doing this then this" buts in them that if we're going this route we're making a ton more work for ourselves to split up CRLs because they could be confusing. Even the Bridge Crew with this bit:
Summary of L2 requirements:
- All movie versions may or may not have belt boxes.
- ANH: No gloves or compad, has no code cylinders, no headset.
- ESB: Same as ANH, but with 3 code cylinders and may wear a headset.
- ROTJ: Has gauntlets and compad, but no code cylinders or headset
thank you for describing this to me, i am going to go in and look at that CRL maybe it will help me with this cause using Krennic isnt enough help. :/
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Also I do agree its not that bad....I think its alright. Its not horrid or I wouldnt be showing it here.
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Just now, rattleandburn said:
I have zero horse in this race and frankly idgaf.
But that's no more or less confusing than that FO Lt/Captain one, which is for two costumes with ostensibly more changes than these, and I think it makes more than sufficient sense with an average amount of reading comprehensionIf there are that many differences (such as the 4 or so described above) have you guys put in a CRL change to show that much is changed? I have asked a few times in here before so I will ask again.
Detail me the differences in Like Items that the Capt has compared to the Lut?
Because there are 1 differences listed here and I want to see why they arent valid and in the CRL.
https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:First_Order_Lieutenant_and_Captain
^^^One change
and I will say it again there needs to be more than 2 changes to warrant the thought of a new CRL
Thank you.
Appreciate an answer
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K. So I am gonna show you guys this.
Now keep in mind this will change. This is just a test but I want you all to see why we generally do not do over two changes on a CRL without giving it an entirely new one.
This looks weird and I think is really going to confuse GMLS. (as as LMO is my goal to NOT happen). Click twice to make larger.
To my eye there are just to many changes and looks wonky.
Krennic is a good example of a CRL where there are MULTIPLE CONFIGURATIONS.
NOT Different like items.
Hask has completely different Items from the generic officer. Which is why this isnt working.
So I cant just throw it as optional like Krennic, cause they arent optional. They are HASK ONLY items.
I hope this is making sense...
In comparison to Krennic which is OPTIONAL or SAME items. The ONLY changed item is a RANK BAR.
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Done
Also added the back seam.
Thanks guys!
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Hello luvs,
To clear things up and to be open with you all where I am coming from.
1. I generally like having one CRL to rule them all, so please do not think I am pushing the two CRL thing for any kind of reason.
2. As you guys may have noticed I left out any comment about Hasks "facial" appearance. A facial appearance shouldn't warrant a new CRL. (i say shouldnt cause who knows what could happen.
3.The case of the FO Lut was because there is no difference between the costume Mitaka uses and the costume any other FO Lut in TFA uses.
I have prepared this information and we are currently reviewing the CRL. We are using input from the visual references to make our decision.
Thank you so much everyone for the discussion, I want to ensure we are not beating and dead horse or resorting to pointing fingers. If you guys want to point fingers please do not hesitate to throw rocks at me.
Have a nice day!
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I get such a giggle out of that giant freaking rank bar. My god what and why?!
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1 minute ago, GDMorti said:
It's not that Mitaka was different from other Lieutenants.
It's that TFA Lieutenants are different from TLJ Lieutenants. And TFA didn't even have Captains for us to base any judgement on. The CRL had "Captain" added and was released shortly after TLJ came out, without any input from the IOC as a whole, discussion, etc.
And I wasn't naming any names or wanting to go back to exactly what happened when the CRL came out, just highlighting that if one CRL can do the job for a uniform with such a big number of variants between movies (and ranks) why would this one be any different?
I'll see what I can do with regards to getting a model pull from BF2 of the Generic and more high quality references etc. Bear with!Oh no no i know you werent!
I just wanted to make sure as I know there was some confusion as to who published and made some decisions and I do take responsibility for my actions. I love CRLS. I love legion firsts and I LOVE the legion. I will not hide and I will always take responsibility for my decisions and explain why
I know others do not know, i know a few do.
Propose new CRL Bridge Personnel The Force Awaken
in New CRLs
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Looks great!! I'm scanning this and what I spot right off the bat is the missing comm unit and the pants look a bit off reference. I know some others have some pictures here they have as reference. But id say that comm unit needs to be added. If they were seen without it I would be ok with optional.
The pants are probably correct but these need tailoring to fit the wearer and look like the reference.