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thank you for describing this to me, i am going to go in and look at that CRL maybe it will help me with this cause using Krennic isnt enough help. :/

I get the worry, Dawn, but I respectfully disagree - look at line and Staff officers, there are so many "if you're doing this then this" buts in them that if we're going this route we're making a ton more work for ourselves to split up CRLs because they could be confusing.  Even the Bridge Crew with this bit:

 
Summary of L2 requirements:
All movie versions may or may not have belt boxes. ANH: No gloves or compad, has no code cylinders, no headset. ESB: Same as ANH, but with 3 code cylinders and may wear a headset. ROTJ: Has gauntlets and compad, but no code cylinders or headset

Is there any chance your friend could grab the generic FO officer image as well? I would love to see the images side-by-side without lighting interfering with the colors and textures! 

K. So I am gonna show you guys this.
 
Now keep in mind this will change. This is just a test but I want you all to see why we generally do not do over two changes on a CRL without giving it an entirely new one. 
This looks weird and I think is really going to confuse GMLS. (as as LMO is my goal to NOT happen). Click twice to make larger.
 
To my eye there are just to many changes and looks wonky. 
 
Krennic is a good example of a CRL where there are MULTIPLE CONFIGURATIONS. 
NOT Different like items.
Hask has completely different Items from the generic officer. Which is why this isnt working.
 
So I cant just throw it as optional like Krennic, cause they arent optional. They are HASK ONLY items.
 
I hope this is making sense...
 

 
In comparison to Krennic which is OPTIONAL or SAME items. The ONLY changed item is a RANK BAR. 
 

 
 
 
 

Done
 
 
Also added the back seam.
 
Thanks guys! 

Done
 
 
Also added the back seam.
 
Thanks guys! 

Done
 
 
Also added the back seam.
 
Thanks guys! 

Hello all, I want to put this to bed. I am not in the business of doing a ton of CRLS for face characters. As we all know I have a track record of condensing CRLS. 
 
 
My Background
Hello all! As some may know I come from a background of art. I was a concept artist in the games industry and have worked with everything from concept to working with others on modeling, rigging to lighting and rendering.  
 
So I have taken a few minutes to detail  the differences between the Generic FO officer in Battlefront.
 
Lets preface it by saying that we need to only use game art. Dragging shots from the movie shouldn't be used for us to decide the CRL for this costume in any capacity (because modelers do whatever they want). Everything in the process will be different building this, short of the Concept artist using reference for the suit. 
 
With about 15 minutes of research I could come up with multiple (glaring) differences between Hask and the Generic officer in the game.
 
A Note on Rendering:
We typically shouldnt worry about "cut scene rendering" compared to "in-game". The difference between the two is lighting. 
Im sure its blatantly obvious looking at this that Hask has a completely different texture sheet from the Generic officer. He is unique. 
 
 
Differences
Color: Hasks color is slightly different. Darker. Almost all of him is just kinda a dull grey where as the generic has a very distinct color difference.
*You can visually see that the generic is much lighter in comparison to the belt and hasks looks opposite compared to the shiny belt.
Rank Bar: Hasks rank bar is tiny compared to the Generic
Belt/shoes: The rendering on Hask should be high gloss and the Generic should be medium shine.
Design: The tunic has different constriction. 
Code Cils: There are hooks on one and not the other
 
 

 
My verdict: The reason why this would be considered a different CRL is because we have multiple costume differences (that are NOT the face) 
 
If the character had the same outfit (minus the look of his face) I would recommend it to be a generic officer costume. However as it stands there are to many differences to warrant trying to shove this into one CRL. 
 
Whats your thoughts? 
 
I hope this helps and have a nice day,
Dawn
SL-13377
LMO 501st Legion
 
 
 
 

Correct. The debate is rather Hask and the Generic FO Officer from Battlefront should be the same. 

Hello luvs,  
 
To clear things up and to be open with you all where I am coming from.
 
1. I generally like having one CRL to rule them all, so please do not think I am pushing the two CRL thing for any kind of reason.
2. As you guys may have noticed I left out any comment about Hasks "facial" appearance. A facial appearance shouldn't warrant a new CRL. (i say shouldnt cause who knows what could happen. 
3.The case of the FO Lut was because there is  no difference between the costume Mitaka uses and the costume any other FO Lut in TFA uses. 
 
I have prepared this information and we are currently reviewing the CRL. We are using input from the visual references to make our decision. 
 
Thank you so much everyone for the discussion, I want to ensure we are not beating and dead horse or resorting to pointing fingers. If you guys want to point fingers please do not hesitate to throw rocks at me.
 
Have a nice day! 

Done
 
 
Also added the back seam.
 
Thanks guys! 

Oh no no i know you werent! 
I just wanted to make sure as I know there was some confusion as to who published and made some decisions and I do take responsibility for my actions. I love CRLS. I love legion firsts and I LOVE the legion. I will not hide and I will always take responsibility for my decisions and explain why  I know others do not know, i know a few do.

Aye. Generally its a Polygon issue
 
When we model characters in CG  we will usually make two (*more often in the past) the in game model had less polys due to the in-game model being live on screen.
The CG cut scene characters could be 100% different (yet the same) as they can have a ton more detail.
 
 
However Hask and another FO officer do not appear in the same scene which is causing an issue. If I could put the Generic FO model side by side we would see 
 
However we can easily see the details pointed out in the photo prior even showing constriction on the tunic being completely different. Thats obvious and right on the chest

Done!
 
https://origin-wiki.501st.com/databank/Costuming:ID_Director_Krennic

Done!
 
https://origin-wiki.501st.com/databank/Costuming:ID_Director_Krennic

Done!
 
https://origin-wiki.501st.com/databank/Costuming:ID_Director_Krennic

Aye I totally get what you are saying however as much as we all love to have consistency, we all know this is "movie magic" and these costumes go through so many iterations and people. From the concept artists to the designers to the tailors to the director. They never seem to keep consistant or in cannon. Sometimes its all about throwing whatever they had on set onto a guy
 
Oh hey look the movie came out! I totally wasted the extra 10$ in hopes theres something of value in here. the book is crap unfortunately. This is the Target exclusive version. 
 

Aye I totally get what you are saying however as much as we all love to have consistency, we all know this is "movie magic" and these costumes go through so many iterations and people. From the concept artists to the designers to the tailors to the director. They never seem to keep consistant or in cannon. Sometimes its all about throwing whatever they had on set onto a guy
 
Oh hey look the movie came out! I totally wasted the extra 10$ in hopes theres something of value in here. the book is crap unfortunately. This is the Target exclusive version. 
 

Aye. I'm just very adamant about it being called something else other than his 'rank'. ^.-  
Thanks luvs for all your hard work,
Dawn

Aye. I'm just very adamant about it being called something else other than his 'rank'. ^.-  
Thanks luvs for all your hard work,
Dawn

I think first port of call is seeing if we get any clarity on the rank? If they're both Admiral then yeah we can just allow both? No need for any separate configurations, since we don't see anything different in TFA (since we barely see any of them at all).

Suggestion:

Move forward with a black wrap-over uniform with the pointed pants. First Order Admiral. Allow both of the rank bars. If we find out later that the TLJ version with no red on his rank bars is a different rank, we just amend the rank bar information and title of the CRL (if possible?) so that it's like the Lieutenant/Captain and Colonel/Major where the only difference is a rank bar.

Beahaha man those pants are glorious!! Puffy pointed pants ftw!

Sure!  but changing the name and adding the options for different rank bars that you can have seems to me like a great option. Then we don't spend time over analyzing images that maybe aren't out there in the wild

Movie magic rankbar!
 
white
blk
white
 
white
black
white 
 
 
sooo... general
 
which is why i want to call this "Front fold over FO Suit". NOT Admiral. 

Hello and good day to you! 
 
My name is Dawn Bright and I am a LMO with the 501st Legion and happy to help.
 
TLDR: Just submit the finished costume to your GML and he should know the rest.
 
 
Long Answer
-A CRL that is marked with this should still be submitted normally to your local GML.
-The GML will post it on a secondary board and solicit feedback from the Detachment Staff or LMO. 
-The feedback will be recieved
-You will receive the feedback or be approved. 
 
The reason a CRL is not "green lit" right away is that the Detachment or LMOS feel that there is an error but its good enough for release. All people approved before a CRL is greenlit will still be approved and grandfathered in. 
such as the...
https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:ID_First_Order_Colonel_and_Major
 
Just skimming this CRL I note that there's not much there in way of parts but the colors of the jacket are perhaps a taste off or maybe we wanted a clearer shot and something is blurry...
or
We are physically missing parts of this crl due to us only being able to see portions in the movie (this is a rarer occurrence that the earlier example) Its very rare we will ever release a CRL and say "Good enough" though this happens.
 
This CRL needs help and until help from the Detachment comes it will remain in this status. Some crls will remain this way indefinitely. In the end its not that much work for a GML (which is nice) and offers a bit of guidance from the Detachment Staff. 
 
Green Lit: These are ones that can be approved by your GML alone such as...
https://databank.501st.com/databank/Kylo_Ren
 
That CRL is live and ready and free to be approved by any GML. Its been nitpicked to death and everyone is in agreement. 
 
 
Hope that helps!
Have a nice day,
 
Dawn Bright
SL-13377