Ruthar

Whoo boy. Just when I thought it was over.
I was trying to figure out that Rogue One Shield Offiver thing and why he didn't have to wear breeches or riding boots. 
Well...the answer may surprise you! 
Read this thread: 
 
 
So here we are. I am working on  "non saga" INT CRLs. We have the flight suit versioned figured out, but these dress uniforms are getting interesting. 
We are doing "version tabs" for each variation.  I think we have three (maybe two) versions.
We now have INTs Kenobi, in addition to R1.
 
I am trying to reconcile all that we have learned. 
Let's start with Rogue One. For the sake of this discussion and to avoid confusion, let's define the three types of INTs we see and talk about them.
The R1 Shield Gate Officer- He is the one with silver clipped cyls, and a 4 blue rank badge. We don't see his lower half, but based on @Ruthar's research in the thread and confirmed by Glyn Dillon, it sounds like he was just a security services officer with an INT helmet.  If this is the case, this makes the current INT Dress Version 4 an incorrect configuration. https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:IN_imperial_navy_officer#Version Four From what Glyn is saying, this shield officer is basically the Security Services Non Saga V1 CRL, but with an optional INT Helmet https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:Temp-Imperial-Staff-Officer_(Non_Saga)#Version One Might be time to revisit the "Navy Trooper Helmet as optional accessory" for the non saga ISS officer.  
R1 Imperial Navy Trooper (Dress) Appears in the background on Scarif and the Death Star. It appears they have a unique tunic similar (but not identical) to the ANH version.  No code cyl pockets and tunic front yoke is different. int_adjusted by josh_surkosky, on Flickr Straight Leg pants and Jack Boots, no rank.  https://imgur.com/FpjLUX7 Based on the unique tunic, I don't believe this iteration currently exists.  @PArmstrdid a great job of pointing these things out. Thank you! I don't know how we got from this unique tunic, to the current version 4 tab. 
 
R1 Imperial Navy Trooper (Flight suit) I think we got this figured out, so I am excluding it from the scope of this discussion.   
MOVING ON TO KENOBI.
The Kenobi Version This is the one from Kenobi. Breeches, riding boots, and the tunic seems to be the standard Security Services tunic. No rank or code cyls. Can't see if it has cyl pockets or not, but I'd wager given the production, these are not the same R1 tunics, but are the same as all the other black tunics seen. Screenshotter--DisneyPlus-Obi-WanKenobi-3’03” by josh_surkosky, on Flickr
 
 
What do we do now?
Make the INT helmet an optional accessory for the Security Services Non Saga crl. This clears up the whole mess with rank badges and enlisted navy troopers. Hope someone will make the R1 version of the R1 Imperial Navy Trooper (Dress) since I don't think it currently exists in the Legion. Have the Kenobi version as the "flagship version 1" of the INT non saga dress. If someone makes the R1 version, we add a "version 2" tab to it.   
 
 
Please discuss!!

Super generous of you - thanks for posting it up! I'm sure it will find an awesome new home. 

I ended up with a spare Captain Khurgee badge, so I'm giving it away to any current or prospective officer!
 
How to enter:  Post in this thread!
Next weekend (July 18th) I will pick a winner from the posters in this thread
 
If you win, just send me your address and I'll mail it over
 

After all the discussion above, my suggestion would be making the following addition to the "Optional Accessories" list on the ID - Imperial Staff Officer (Black) CRL. What do you think of this, everyone? Closer to what you had in mind, @nocternus?
 
 
 

Along with the tweets, I tried to confirm a few other things, first being the gloves. Looking at the screenshots with a little light adjustment, we can confirm that the Captain wears gauntlet style gloves in this image:
 

Rogue One glove shot by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
Also, thanks to this picture of a tunic-wearing Navy Trooper in the Rogue One Visual Guide, I think it's safe to say that the gauntlet gloves do not have the three stitching lines on the back:
 

Untitled by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
Armed with this new info and the Tweets, I put together a combination of my Staff Officer and my Navy Trooper to get something as close as I could:
 

Armed pose 1 by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 

Point pose 4 by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 

Full front and back by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
What I thought was interesting from the Tweets was that Glyn mentioned that this was "security officer...captain." If we were to add a CRL for it, perhaps we could make a third entry for the Navy Trooper in the IOC list - "IN - Imperial Navy Trooper: Security Officer" (or something of that sort) to reflect the distinction.
 
Definitely exciting to be able to move forward. What do you all think?

Excellent news - fantastic work once again from @nocternusand @captsafe66! Excited to see more Navy helmets prowling around.

I would say take a look at IN dress uniform 

Just to summarize my thinking for clarity:
Level One would allow the addition of the Navy Helmet. Level Two would require the Navy Helmet with the appropriate Rogue One accessories (2 belt boxes, 2 code cylinders, and correct Lt. rank badge) Level Three would require the Rogue One accessories to be the exact Rogue One replicas (silver clips, larger push buttons, and specific belt box dimensions)

After all the discussion above, my suggestion would be making the following addition to the "Optional Accessories" list on the ID - Imperial Staff Officer (Black) CRL. What do you think of this, everyone? Closer to what you had in mind, @nocternus?
 
 
 

After all the discussion above, my suggestion would be making the following addition to the "Optional Accessories" list on the ID - Imperial Staff Officer (Black) CRL. What do you think of this, everyone? Closer to what you had in mind, @nocternus?
 
 
 

Just to summarize my thinking for clarity:
Level One would allow the addition of the Navy Helmet. Level Two would require the Navy Helmet with the appropriate Rogue One accessories (2 belt boxes, 2 code cylinders, and correct Lt. rank badge) Level Three would require the Rogue One accessories to be the exact Rogue One replicas (silver clips, larger push buttons, and specific belt box dimensions)

Just to summarize my thinking for clarity:
Level One would allow the addition of the Navy Helmet. Level Two would require the Navy Helmet with the appropriate Rogue One accessories (2 belt boxes, 2 code cylinders, and correct Lt. rank badge) Level Three would require the Rogue One accessories to be the exact Rogue One replicas (silver clips, larger push buttons, and specific belt box dimensions)

After all the discussion above, my suggestion would be making the following addition to the "Optional Accessories" list on the ID - Imperial Staff Officer (Black) CRL. What do you think of this, everyone? Closer to what you had in mind, @nocternus?
 
 
 

After all the discussion above, my suggestion would be making the following addition to the "Optional Accessories" list on the ID - Imperial Staff Officer (Black) CRL. What do you think of this, everyone? Closer to what you had in mind, @nocternus?
 
 
 

I imagine this is a simple addition to "Optional Accessories" for the Navy Trooper - rank bars and code cylinders. Then, when/if we apply for Level 2 and 3, the correct combinations will need to be met just as all our other officers.
 
In terms of straight vs. jodhpur, I would imagine jodhpur for this combination considering the rank and cylinders (Staff Officer with a helmet, basically). Unfortunately, only a behind-the-scenes photo will tell for this one.
 
 

If that's the case, then even more reason to get something official.
 
 
That's exactly why I reached out to Glyn - he was a huge help for solidifying the rear helmet box on the AT-ACT helmet. The only mystery we had here was what kind of pants were used, and now we know direct from the source.

Along with the tweets, I tried to confirm a few other things, first being the gloves. Looking at the screenshots with a little light adjustment, we can confirm that the Captain wears gauntlet style gloves in this image:
 

Rogue One glove shot by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
Also, thanks to this picture of a tunic-wearing Navy Trooper in the Rogue One Visual Guide, I think it's safe to say that the gauntlet gloves do not have the three stitching lines on the back:
 

Untitled by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
Armed with this new info and the Tweets, I put together a combination of my Staff Officer and my Navy Trooper to get something as close as I could:
 

Armed pose 1 by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 

Point pose 4 by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 

Full front and back by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
What I thought was interesting from the Tweets was that Glyn mentioned that this was "security officer...captain." If we were to add a CRL for it, perhaps we could make a third entry for the Navy Trooper in the IOC list - "IN - Imperial Navy Trooper: Security Officer" (or something of that sort) to reflect the distinction.
 
Definitely exciting to be able to move forward. What do you all think?

Along with the tweets, I tried to confirm a few other things, first being the gloves. Looking at the screenshots with a little light adjustment, we can confirm that the Captain wears gauntlet style gloves in this image:
 

Rogue One glove shot by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
Also, thanks to this picture of a tunic-wearing Navy Trooper in the Rogue One Visual Guide, I think it's safe to say that the gauntlet gloves do not have the three stitching lines on the back:
 

Untitled by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
Armed with this new info and the Tweets, I put together a combination of my Staff Officer and my Navy Trooper to get something as close as I could:
 

Armed pose 1 by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 

Point pose 4 by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 

Full front and back by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
What I thought was interesting from the Tweets was that Glyn mentioned that this was "security officer...captain." If we were to add a CRL for it, perhaps we could make a third entry for the Navy Trooper in the IOC list - "IN - Imperial Navy Trooper: Security Officer" (or something of that sort) to reflect the distinction.
 
Definitely exciting to be able to move forward. What do you all think?

If that's the case, then even more reason to get something official.
 
 
That's exactly why I reached out to Glyn - he was a huge help for solidifying the rear helmet box on the AT-ACT helmet. The only mystery we had here was what kind of pants were used, and now we know direct from the source.

If that's the case, then even more reason to get something official.
 
 
That's exactly why I reached out to Glyn - he was a huge help for solidifying the rear helmet box on the AT-ACT helmet. The only mystery we had here was what kind of pants were used, and now we know direct from the source.

The SE-14 has already shown up in a photo with another naval trooper on the set of the new Han Solo movie.  Ron Howard tweeted it yesterday.  As we get more movies set in this time period I expect all blasters to be variable to costumes.
 
It is interesting that he called this guy "Captain".  It is one of the few times that a rank has been called out by a member of the production staff (other than named in a movie).  The 4 times we see this rank in ANH, it was named both Lieutenant three times and Commander once in the Decipher Customizable card game of 1995, but Lucasfilm owes no allegiance to calling it by those names.  All blue would make him navy, not army.
 
As these movies go on, we are either going to be creating a LOT of CRLs or we will have to start considering a lot of this stuff as optional accouterments.

Along with the tweets, I tried to confirm a few other things, first being the gloves. Looking at the screenshots with a little light adjustment, we can confirm that the Captain wears gauntlet style gloves in this image:
 

Rogue One glove shot by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
Also, thanks to this picture of a tunic-wearing Navy Trooper in the Rogue One Visual Guide, I think it's safe to say that the gauntlet gloves do not have the three stitching lines on the back:
 

Untitled by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
Armed with this new info and the Tweets, I put together a combination of my Staff Officer and my Navy Trooper to get something as close as I could:
 

Armed pose 1 by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 

Point pose 4 by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 

Full front and back by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
What I thought was interesting from the Tweets was that Glyn mentioned that this was "security officer...captain." If we were to add a CRL for it, perhaps we could make a third entry for the Navy Trooper in the IOC list - "IN - Imperial Navy Trooper: Security Officer" (or something of that sort) to reflect the distinction.
 
Definitely exciting to be able to move forward. What do you all think?

I have good news! I reached out to Glyn Dillon, costume designer for Rogue One, via Twitter to help us along with our research. He was a huge help in confirming a detail for the AT-ACT Driver for that CRL creation process, so I figured I would try again. You can check out screenshots of the conversation below (and here is a link to the Tweets directly).
 

Untitled by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 

Untitled by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 

Untitled by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
 
 
 
 

Along with the tweets, I tried to confirm a few other things, first being the gloves. Looking at the screenshots with a little light adjustment, we can confirm that the Captain wears gauntlet style gloves in this image:
 

Rogue One glove shot by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
Also, thanks to this picture of a tunic-wearing Navy Trooper in the Rogue One Visual Guide, I think it's safe to say that the gauntlet gloves do not have the three stitching lines on the back:
 

Untitled by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
Armed with this new info and the Tweets, I put together a combination of my Staff Officer and my Navy Trooper to get something as close as I could:
 

Armed pose 1 by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 

Point pose 4 by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 

Full front and back by Taylor Goodson, on Flickr
 
What I thought was interesting from the Tweets was that Glyn mentioned that this was "security officer...captain." If we were to add a CRL for it, perhaps we could make a third entry for the Navy Trooper in the IOC list - "IN - Imperial Navy Trooper: Security Officer" (or something of that sort) to reflect the distinction.
 
Definitely exciting to be able to move forward. What do you all think?

True, but it seems strange to me to put a Navy Trooper helmet into "optional accessories" on the Officer CRL. Not out of the realm of possibility.
 
 
Definitely agree, though I would imagine the distinction of a specific belt box size would most likely fall under a Level 2 or 3 detail.
 
 
The picture was included to get a better picture of the kind of gauntlets used for Rogue One (no 3 stitch lines). The blaster would be, as always, optional, though, the SE-14 was a popular blaster on Scarif as we see Jyn (and later K2) with them on-screen.
 
That's why I suggested something like "IN - Imperial Navy Trooper: Security Officer" - no need to get bogged down with a rank bar discrepancy (which we all know there are plenty of).