rattleandburn

Tarkin (and Thrawn, and Hux) have come up a couple of times in this thread. I'm unsure why I'm clarifying myself again.

If we were talking about creating a Tarking, or a Thrawn, or a Hux, for the very first time, brand new. Yes I would probably be saying "we need a Generic CRL for their uniform, and then make that hero face character an optional appearance specification."

But they already exist, and people would lose their minds if we removed them, or merged them, so we aren't suggesting that. What I'm saying is, my logic here absolutely would apply, I think, to those "hero" characters. BUT they already exist, so they are unfortunately exempt.

We made a generic Lieutenant and not a Mitaka (we made a Hux and then a Generic General and we thought Mitaka would go the same way) is to avoid uneccessary clutter of CRL's for a facial specification. Dawn has already said, if this was PURELY down to facial specification, without any question Hask would not get his own CRL. Can we stop going round in circles with this point?
 
See above.

So at the beginning of this discussion we had five points in which the generic model differs that was the reason to split the CRL in a Generic and a Hask version:
Colour  Rank bars  Belt/Shoes  Design  Code Cylinder  The belt/shoes were dropped later and the color was at least questioned,
 
So at the end of the day there are three points left that define that Hask has to be an separate CRL. Rank Bars, Design and Code Cylinder. I'd say congratulations, these are the same arguments that were used to justify e.g. why there's only one CRL for the line officers. 
 
I can only agree with @Tentayena on this one. Nobody denies that Hask shouldn't be a wearable variant as the character has a stressed role for the plot. But the intended decision to split the CRLs mismatches the procdures of the past.
 

I just want to clarify what I was saying, because there seems to be some confusion. 

My issue was not that there would be a Face Character CRL for Hask when there wasn't one for Mitaka, I fully understand why that happened and my intent was not to push for that. Apologies if it came off that way!

My question was more regarding that the number of differences between the Generic FO Lieutenant and the Generic FO Captain are very close to the amount of differences between Hask and a Generic Battlefront FO officer, and the live CRL for the former seems to be doing just fine. I'm just trying to figure out where the line for combining CRL's vs splitting them apart is, if that makes sense?

Maybe the solution is to split the Captain and the LT and leave these two separate then?

There are so many instances of CRL's being combined or including variables/options that I really cannot see why this situation should be treated any differently. It's two or three extremely minor differences.

A CRL containing "And/Or" to differentiate between a handful of differences, accessories, construction methods etc has worked fine for plenty of IOC CRL's. For this to suddenly be something we start to do, I cannot understand.

Taking facial specifications completely out of the equation of course, and focusing solely on costume differences. That is the crux of this argument.

Imperial Cadet. Optional Helmet Accessory:
 
Helmet Open faced style helmet consists of a dome and a faceplate. Made of plastic, resin or fiberglass. Dome and Face plate are painted white. Dome Requirements are as follows: Has the following options: Regular Imperial Cadet without markings on the Dome. Jai Kell: With blue markings and corresponding patterns. Zare Leonis : With yellow markings and corresponding patterns. Oleg: with green markings and corresponding patterns. (2) black vent rectangles with one curved side pointing to the middle of the helmet above the eyes. Face plate Requirements are as follows: Face plate is white, matching the same color as the dome. Eye sockets meet in the middle and use a flat dark lens. Black frown runs across the front and angles upward at each side. Two black vent squares are present underneath each eye. There are two round "Air Filtration Nozzles", one on each side of the mouth, with (5) black vent lines. (3) spaced in the middle between them. (Two vertical and one Horizontal) (2) on top of the nozzles (one on each). 

Three characters wear their helmets with very obvious visual differences. Did they all get a CRL? No.

I could honestly do this all day.

Holding Hask up to Luke Skywalker is a bit of a reach don't you think? XD

Separate CRL's creates a bunch of work when we come to amend something. Hux underwent a huge overhaul and was vastly improved. That was a while ago and the Generic General is still sat as it was, so now if someone wanted to clear a General they would be held to a different standard as someone wanting to clear specifically a Hux when its the same costume??

Spike was assembling all the photo refs, so once he's done we'll present that in the appropriate sub-forum  

Spike was assembling all the photo refs, so once he's done we'll present that in the appropriate sub-forum  

This is not the thread for it, it needs its own ammendment thread, but the decision to make it a multiple costume CRL was made not by those who researched it.

-rank band
-hat pin
-sleeve seam 
-gloves (stitching vs. none, very clear reference pics)
(these are the Big Ones that aren't construction based)
 
then, ones that could be ignored
-collar shape (curved corners vs. pointy)
-visible waist seam, seen in action shots in TLJ not visible in similar pose and bending in TFA


Again I raelly dont want in on this argument, just that the proposed CRL is not confusing, and we should keep the process the same for everyone. If its going to be separated for this, why did the others get jammed into one with no research done. But if going forward we're separating, then I'd be glad to start that ammendment thread with all the photo refs for the changes to split the grey uniform CRL.

Thats why, when Thrawn and Eli graduate the academy and Thrawn says "I will endeavor to become an Admiral then" it wasn't just about getting Eli his fair due, it was about hoping to get to a high enough rank to argue about his uniform xD
 

@Tentayena

You just need to sparkle more

Thats why, when Thrawn and Eli graduate the academy and Thrawn says "I will endeavor to become an Admiral then" it wasn't just about getting Eli his fair due, it was about hoping to get to a high enough rank to argue about his uniform xD
 

SEEMS LEGIT 



The master tactician strikes again
 
Oh trust me, It's awful

It's just SO BAD! I have had my heart set on the Staff officer uniform, just because, well... black and blue looks rad. Olive drab and blue? Oh... oh no...

hard to tailor a uniform for them tho.

That's why i'm making a purrgil plushie hat to wear, so it looks like it's nomming my head  

hard to tailor a uniform for them tho.

That's why i'm making a purrgil plushie hat to wear, so it looks like it's nomming my head  

Always be yourself, unless you can be Thrawn. Then, always be Thrawn

As one of the few alien Saber Guild members, always more aliens!!

The comics have helped a lot, I think
I'll wear Horrible Clashing Line Officer Thrawn and people get a kick out of it. And I can be ridiculously offended at the color combo. It's a good time

hard to tailor a uniform for them tho.

That's why i'm making a purrgil plushie hat to wear, so it looks like it's nomming my head  

Always be yourself, unless you can be Thrawn. Then, always be Thrawn

Always be yourself, unless you can be Thrawn. Then, always be Thrawn

Thank you!!!

Done
 
 
Also added the back seam.
 
Thanks guys! 

At my first meetup with Garrison Titan, I was strongly encouraged to pursue a non-human Officer build - it was implied that there's a bit of a rivalry between a few garrisons for who has the most aliens. I think a lot of that focus is probably on the Saber Guild side, where it makes more sense, but I felt encouraged all the same!
 
Though my partner keeps saying, "You know you really just want to be Thrawn," and they're not wrong...

Bit of a canon add, to add to the discussions. I believe the helmets are for stormtrooper cadets, while helmetless are officer cadets. I kinda like the idea of the cadet being one CRL, stormtrooper cadet being an additional piece myself.