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    Officer - Mimban Lieutenant CRL Update Proposal

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    Good evening.

    First I would like to thank @kevair464, @Hask, @Hux, and everyone else involved in getting the initial CRL off the ground. It was a lot of work - and I am standing on their shoulders with my proposal here. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to weigh in on this with this write-up.

     

    I would like to propose the following edits and additions for consideration:

    1. That the name of the CRL be changed to read "Imperial Army Officer - Mimban" rather than "Officer - Mimban Lieutenant."

     

    Reasoning: There are many more officers present on Mimban than just the Lieutenant. Many are seen in background shots, and there are two additional Imperial Army ranks that are shown on screen. Changing the title of the CRL would allow for more flexibility of choice and options for the membership.

     

    2. That under "Trenchcoat" the faux fur collar only be required if the member is attempting to exactly replicate the look of Lieutenant Bolandin and the faux fur collar be moved to an optional item in all other circumstances. Additionally, that an option for the coat to be worn open with no belt (on the outside - naturally a belt would still be required at the waist of the tunic) be added. This will naturally require a tab, as a standard tunic will most certainly be required in that case.
     

    Reasoning: There are several instances on screen that show Imperial Officers from both SOLO and Rogue One wearing the trench coat with no fur detail present on the collar. It appears that Lieutenant Bolandin is the only officer seen on screen wearing that particular accessory on his coat. In regards to the coat being worn open with no belt, again, there are multiple instances seen on screen both in SOLO and Rogue One where Imperial Officers are wearing the coat open without a belt.

     

    3. That under "Rankbar" the additional ranks of Imperial Army Captain (3 red, 1 blue), and Imperial Army Major (3 red, 2 blue) be included as options.

    Reasoning: The officer in the beginning of the Mimban battle scene has been positively identified as a Major (both in the canon novelization of SOLO, and in the movie itself during conversation.) In the scene where Han interrupts Beckett and Val plotting how they are going to steal an AT Hauler he confronts them and correctly surmises (as indicated by Val's reaction of "well now we have to shoot him") that Beckett and company are not Imperial Army, but rather wearing stolen uniforms and looking to steal equipment. The assertion that Beckett is wearing a genuine Imperial Army uniform is further proved when Beckett turns Han over to Lieutenant Bolandin in the next scene. The Lieutenant obviously doesn't recognize Beckett personally, but he recognizes the uniform and the rank as genuine. Finally, the origins of the armor that Beckett and Vall and Rio are wearing is explained in the canon novelization. A screen shot of the relevant passage is included, but my reading of the situation goes that the Korso character was not originally part of Beckett's gang, but rather a disgruntled Imperial military member looking for a ticket off Mimban. He got the uniforms for Beckett, Val, and Rio in exchange for joining the gang and passage off the planet. I feel that the evidence irrefutably supports the inclusion of both Captain and major as canon ranks for imperial Army Officers on Mimban.

     

    4. That under "Code Cylinders" the text be amended to to only require code cylinders clipped to the collar of the trench coat if the member is attempting to exactly replicate the look of Lieutenant Bolandin. 

    Reasoning: The screenshots of the Major, and from what I could make out - all the other background officers we are able to see the fronts of, do not show any code cylinders clipped to the collar of the trench coat. The Lieutenant appears to be, again, unique in this manner of display. For what it is worth, Beckett is not wearing any code cylinders with his uniform either, but there could be any number of reasons for that, and not necessarily indicative of the dead Captain not having any either.



    All this being said, I would at the very least like the CRL to be amended in title, the option be granted to wear Lieutenant, Captain, or Major rank, and that the faux fur on the collar of the trench coat be optional unless one is attempting to specifically portray Lieutenant Bolandin. If none of the edits I propose, I would appreciate those concessions.

    My overarching reasoning is thus: Beckett's armor and uniform is genuine, therefore there must have been an Imperial Army Captain on Mimban otherwise Beckett would not be wearing the armor. Likewise with the Major - may whatever entity he may have believed in have mercy on his soul. Additionally, there are a multitude of screenshots that indicate Lieutenant Bolandin may very well be alone in his particular fashion choices. There is overwhelming physical evidence that indicates the fur is not standard, even on Mimban.

    As far as the other accessories, such as the sidearm, the belt box, and the Yugo ammo pouch, I feel like a case for those being standard equipment can be made - not withstanding that the Lieutenant is the only officer that is seen wearing them. Whether the Major is wearing those accessories under the trench coat is unclear due to lighting and his relative short time on screen before exploding. This can be explained by the fact that the Lieutenant is the only officer with sufficient screen time to warrant proper "kitting out" as all other background officers are either not seen with their fronts to the camera, or appear for such a short period of time and in such bad lighting that it wasn't worth giving them kit as only people like us would ever notice something like that - lol

    The goggles as optional accessories, as currently written into the CRL, also make sense as a standard item, even though it is only Beckett that is seen wearing them. No other officer, the Major or any of the background ones that I could see, are wearing them. That said, the Troopers have a means of shielding their eyes from flying mud, it only makes sense that officers would have that too. Why the others don't have them could be for any number of reasons.

    I submit for consideration the following screenshots:

    Screenshot 1a/b - This image shows Beckett and Han back to back and offers a good view of the uniform that Beckett is wearing. Present is the seam that runs down the center outside of the sleeve, the distinctive collar, and the wide cuff. Its construction and look is consistent with those worn by other Imperial Officers on Mimban, including Lieutenant Bolandin and the Major, as well as other background officers in the trench scene. It is further consistent with those trench coats worn by Imperial Officers on Jedha, which have been confirmed as the same coats. Evidance from the canon novelization indicates that this armor is genuine.

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    Screenshot 2a/b - This image shows the Major from the opening scene. The image has been artificially lightened and is not of the best quality unfortunately. It is confirmed that he is a Major though both in the movie, as well as in the canon novelization. You will note that the trench coat is of the same variety as that worn by Lieutenant Bolandin, Beckett, and the background officers. Additionally note that both Beckett and the Major are wearing their coats open rather than belted. Evidence suggests that both were acceptable as the background officers present a mixed bag.

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    Screenshot 3a/b/c - These images show a few background officers, many with their backs turned, or their coats closed. Again the lighting and the resolution are not perfect, but I do not feel that we will ever get anything better unless further shots emerge in the Making of Solo book due out later this year. They all present the same caps as the Lieutenant, Beckett, and the Major, and aside from one who appears to indeed be wearing armor from the ghost of a rank bar protrusion, whether or not they are wearing armor I feel is irrelevant. There are already three solid examples to make the case that Imperial Army Officers on Mimban wore the chest armor over their uniform.
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    Screenshot 4 - This image is of Imperial Officers on Jedha from Rogue One. It is included to provide a good lighting shot of the Imperial Officer trench coat, as well as to provide an example of one being worn belted and one being worn without a belt.
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    I welcome any discussion on this proposal, as well as if anyone has the ability to scroll through the Blu-Ray and upload better screen grabs. Mine were taken from 1080 YouTube clips and I feel like they could be better. I have also not tried to doctor them - so if anyone is good at that and can make some of those hidden details pop I would appreciate it.

    Thank you and I stand by to answer any questions!



     

    Mimban Lieutenant CRL Proposal.

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    Posted

    Anticipation of the CRL going live intensifies............

    lol

    Hopefully my sample shipment from Seattle Fabrics gets her on Monday so I can order the stuff I need for the coat and get this finished up!
    Uniform and armor should be here Monday or Tuesday as well - and that is the final stretch :)

    Looks excellent man!

    Mimban Lieutenant CRL Proposal.

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    Posted

    But I thought officers levitated above the mud? Or does that only start at the higher ranks, maybe if you to Major or Colonel you can be nice and clean


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    Captains only have mud on the boot soles - lol

    Or they can afford that awesome water and mud repellent coating for their clothes - lol


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    Mimban Lieutenant CRL Proposal.

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    Posted

    Per the request of Detachment Officers, I have now “muddied” up my kit to give it a more battle worn look.

    Also since the blaster will be optional I’ve removed it from the photos

    With empty holster:

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    Sans Holster:
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    Technique?
    And can you also shoot me the width and depth of the armor chest piece please?


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    1st Order Majors and Colonels

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    Posted

    My thoughts exactly


    Seconded - I also think the pointy flairs on the FO uniforms looks ridiculous as well. But to each their own - I’ll never do a FO uniform unless it’s one of the versions that wraps those obscene pointy flairs around the leg to soften them up.

    *shrug*


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    Mimban Lieutenant CRL Proposal.

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    Posted


    It’s just held by the belt, the only fasteners on the entire coat are buttons at the cuffs. I’m out of town but here are a couple shots I took of just the coat:

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    Thanks! I can work with that?
    What’s it made from again?


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    Mimban Lieutenant CRL Proposal.

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    1 hour ago, kevair464 said:

    I will say this though, after putting it all on and getting the pictures taken, I felt I’d be just as at home in a Great War documentary as an Imperial German Officer, defiantly has that “trench warfare”atheistic
     

    It is quite nice looking and I can't wait until all my bits are here and I can start assembly!

    Can you post a few more pictures of the coat please - particularly the cuffs and the seams on the sleeves.
    And is it just held closed by a belt? or are there some hidden snaps that keep it closed?


    Thanks!

     

     

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    Mimban Lieutenant CRL Proposal.

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    29 minutes ago, vonmoen said:

    I've seen military issue trench coats of various lengths, from just below the knees to mid-shin as you described. Mid calf seems to be the most common. I was issued a mid calf version back in 1976.

    Ill concede that  - however - my comment was not just based on personal aesthetics (though my USAF issued trench coat/rain coat falls mid-shin) - but rather from looking at the shots we see of the LT - particularly the ones found on page 1 of this thread. The photo where he is sitting down in the behind the scenes shot would have the coat coming up much higher if it was mid calf - and the photo where it is nearly full body and he is walking towards the camera - it appears that you can see the bulge in the fabric where his knee is hitting it - lending more credence that the coats indeed fall to mid-shin rather than mid-calf.

    I also submit for consideration this photo of the coats from R1 since we have already decided that the coats are the same.

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    Mimban Lieutenant CRL Proposal.

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    I do have a question - the proposed CRL says the coat ends mid-calf........but should it not end a bit lower - was that supposed to say mid-shin?
    Mid calf seems rather counter-productive for a trench-coat.

    It looks like the good LT's coat goes to about midway down his boots.

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