Exaldear
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18 hours ago, Hask said:
I dont see it as a Star Wars movie but a movie set in that Galaxy, I really enjoyed it
A friend summed it up nicely. It's not a saga film, but is definitely a star wars film.
It breathes the galaxy we know, but the story is different in a good way.
Only seen it once, need to see it again. Once more for fun, once to study potential costumes. Plus I want Han'sjacket, for casual wear.
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I say that yes, split FO and Imperial. Both will grow as new material is released (resistance is coming).
Main categories would be for splitting things into the correct organisational groupings. While some might not be the classic officer, even the Fleet Troppers are security officers. Hell, anyone with a tiled badge is an officer.
As for outcomes. It may go nowhere, and if it looks that way then the command staff will stick a pin in it (sooner would be best). Until then, I don't mind throwing dead around until something sticks.
As for groupings.
High command: These would be your Grand Moff's, your Governors, Grand Admirals
Fleet command: Line and staff officer, plus the 451 and the science officer (maybe Imperial dress uniform name change)
Security officers: ISB, Directors of intelligence Isard etc
Fleet troopers: the naval staff
Crew: for the scanners etc
FO (for now it's one list, but that will change): The officers of the first order.
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27 minutes ago, bobafett4ever said:
I'm all for fixing and cleaning up CRLs.
I started another post elsewhere about combining some stuff not necessarily because it made the most sense, but because we just need movement.
I love the IOC and if I can be of any assistance please let me know.
I'm in the arena that every CRL should be based on the base uniform. Example, ISB ANH and RO should be two separate CRLs. If the base uniform is used across multiple media, but only accessories are different, then that's when you can use variants under one CRL.
And we should update the names while we're at it, like Line and Staff officer could be renamed to match source books.
Your post and the other one is what got me thinking about this.
I can see where you are coming from, but the problem is that it can become very messy and in readable. It is better to have armoured/non armoured separately but possibly a link in each linking to other costumes.
Once you put too much information or options in one document it can be very hard to understand. That is what has happened to the ISB.
I agree on the potential name changes as well, but Changing some will be hard to convince the detachment (though these could be voted on).
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1 hour ago, GDMorti said:
Not gonna try and swing any suggestions of my own BUT, CRLs, their maintenance and creation etc are something I'm really interested in and a big part of why I stick around here really. If there is any way I can help out/assist here, I'm happy to do so.
Like I said earlier, I'm unsure of exactly what the solution might be, but am happy to help it along if I can. Getting hold of Veers and armoured officers is going to be..... interesting. I'm also definitely going to need to do my research on ISB and why this is an issue. XD
On this we agree.
Honestly, the first part has been taken care of, the discussion has started and members of staff have seen it.
Next part is to decide how we want to organise it. While the setup we have is fine, it would be nice if it was listed slightly better. That is why I proposed my example.
That should be this topics second task. How to organise it? Should it be reorganised (into the first galactic empire)?
For full disclosure, I can get pretty stuck in my own ways and ideas, but I am trying to go into this open minded.
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Not an actual fight no, but I highly disagree with the imperial intelligence officer being listed as ISB. But that's step 2.
Should have also stated, step 4 is galactic domination.
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6 minutes ago, Hask said:
I have not really looked at them closely but the ones in the book look the same as In R1 just dirtier
They also have the armour and mud goggles. Bit off topic though. This is the third step in my plan. Step one layout, step two split/tidy CRLs (sorry Kris, I'm going to fight you on the ISB), step three add our missing officers back in (I'll be kind and even share them between detachments)
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4 minutes ago, vonmoen said:
I think you'd have a very hard time trying to take Veers away from the ACD.
I don't think we'll be getting the mud trooper officers either so it is a moot point.
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1 hour ago, lantern2745 said:
The only (or at least the biggest) issue is that we aren't allowed to just split or create new CRLs - even if it makes sense to do so - without somebody making the costume variant in question.
So even though making more CRLs (and then organizing them rationally) is probably the best solution, we can't do it all in one shot. We could only do it as the new costume is made.
I'm all for it though.
If the variant is there then someone must have made that part though. So those ones can be tidied up first.
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18 minutes ago, lantern2745 said:
I like the initial layout you propsed Ross, but it may not work within the CRL infrastructure. That is to say, I don't know if it could be done without a major back end rebuild.
Perhaps someone with knowledge of the inner workings of the web goodness can shed some light?
It's already there. We currently have three headings, Imperial officers, crew and navy troopers. I'm just proposing more, to organise it, and then the hard part of going through the CRLs and reworking the ones that need it. That will be the hard part, getting the best outcome for each uniform. Some don't need it, though they could possibly have other inconsistencies, some need heavy work.
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As for the first deer headers, split it the same way, first order staff, first order line Etc
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Ignoring the headers because it was an example and I did question that myself.
A CRL list that is too long is a great problem to have because it means that we have plenty of choices and actually makes it easier to maintain as we can get specific on each uniform. As supposed to lumping too many choices into a CRL that it gets confusing. Sure you know what goes with what, but the guy just starting up who has no idea takes one look and decides that the trooper is easier to read. That's why each clone has his own CRL, it minimises confusion.
Say the next film that comes out is an Imperial version of top gun (because that would be cool). We get another ISB variation, another fleet trooper,, other support staff. The current CRL for each is already a mess, would be just try cramming it in anyway.
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I'm throwing this out there to see what others think of a library overhaul and revamp of IOC CRLs. This is in light of 1) some people wanting more CRLs. 2) making them easier to understand. 3) fixing the clutter in some, especially with the variations on a costume.
Let's start with the ISB as a key example of what the hell were we thinking. Along comes a new costume, with a new film, and we as a detachment lump it in with a previous CRL and in my opinion make the CRL a disaster to read and understand. You have variations that work with some parts and not others, this goes with that but only if this part is there.
Next on the list is the fleet trooper/navy trooper. Some people suggested liking in the new information with the old and creating the same hot mess. As one member pointed out, each variation in each film is different, sometimes by a lot.
My proposition is to split the library into groups with each group having links to each different CRL. Note that minor differences can be added to a CRL say belts having a seam or not, but anything major could require a new CRL such as multiple differences say belt and armour or armour and boots.
Planned proposal.
Header
Link
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Link
Header
Link
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Naval officers (header)
Tarkin link
Line officer link
Science officer link
Staff officer link
451 officer link
ISB (header)
ISB Officer (ANH)
ISB inspector (R1)
ISB agent (rebels)
ISB Agent Kallus (Rebels)
Grand Admirals (header)
Grand Admiral (Legend)
Grand Admiral Thrawn (Legend)
Grand Admiral Thrawn (Rebels)
Navy troopers/fleet troopers (both might be needed or split them)
I don't know enough about the uniform to give ideas
First Order
Admiral (TFA)
General Hux (TFA)
General (TFA)
Major (TFA)
Captain (TLJ)
Commander Hask (BF2)
Commander (TFA)
FOSB (TLJ)
It's a big example, it's certainly not complete. Some CRLs would need to be rewritten, but it could make it easier in the end. As new variations arise we can either sort them or if minor adjust a CRL
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Looks about right. The one I have is fractionally too small, but your one looks better.
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48 minutes ago, darth said:
The origins of the imperial staff?
By staff, I mean High Command. The admirals etc.
High ranking officers from the clone wars came from the judicial branch (basically peace keepers) plus local system militia. As the academies were set up, clones were fazed out and replaced with regular non clones. Others came from smuggling crews because of their leadership and tactics though they tended to be given smaller ships, better suited to what they would have (most of these were fazed out during the war though).
Sources are from books like Tarkin, the Star Wars comics (current canon), Lords of the Sith, and others that have actually compiled this information.
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Canon time.
Prior to the clones army there was the judicial branch. That's where Tarkin and others came from. They would be deployed with Jedi to squash problems if talks failed.
Sifo sensing the approaching darkness ordered the clone army, Palpatine managed to convert it to his cause when he found out via backroom deals and eliminating certain targets.
Judicial forces made up the majority of high ranking staff.
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Just of note. ISB is shown in issue three and the tunic closure is different.
I would state that it is art style (yes I know they change it in those previews) however, there are differences. Enough for a new crl (if that is the discussion). Yes. If somebody makes it. I'll let you guys fight that battle out.
Canon talk (cause somebody needs to): The rank of Moff and Grand Moff both have the same rank tiles. Grand Moff was/is almost an honorary rank a boss of bosses. Real world equivalent (As a best guess) would be an English Lord.
And Tarkin is a Grand Moff throughout this book having been made Grand Moff at the End of Tarkin (book) which is set before most of Thrawn.
Grand Admiral (rank) is the equivalent of Lord of the Fleet (Think Lord Nelson, battle if Trafalgar).
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Thank the maker you're back. I believe one layer should be enough, though I'm not the best judge of that.
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When I get around to getting my poncho I will do it like this.
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Daala however has the hair making her unique enough. If you did this guy as a face character then sure, but does he have enough to stand out?
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I have and haven't (still working on approval 99% done).
It looks ok, stops you getting sunburnt
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47 minutes ago, adaala said:
I have a question about the cap on the sleeve: Is that a second layer over the sleeve or is it a two part sleeve?
I thought it was a two piece like Kalluswhose two parts are different shades
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The only reason I have not proposed splitting up FO into sub categoriesyet was the amount of uniforms, and where some fit in. Eventually I would want it split like Imperial Officers. For now you could keep FO with all uniforms.
As for the detachment name change, until the FISD remove Imperial from there name I don't think anyone is ready yet for a name change.