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1 hour ago, Crema said:
Will do post a WIP thread as soon as I get them!
Only thing I am worried would be the top modification since I don't have a leather sewing machine. I will see if there are any cobblers around town that could do it for me. Time to locate rubber soles now....
Hmm, I think that there was a guide written up for modifying the tops of a pair of OT style riding boots, I'm almost certain it could apply here?
@Samwise can you help out?
Regarding the soles, wow you were gonna resole them in full? I thought perhaps filling the heel in with a wedge of EVA foam or similar so that it all just looked one piece? -
Honestly with a heel mod and flattening the tops like you say, these look pretty close for basic! Very impressed actually! The ring of stitching around the boot shaft near the knee is really nifty, you don't see that very often on boots in the wild! Keen to see how you get on with these.
If you can document your process? This might be a useful entry level boot for peeps who cant afford IB/Gios.
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On 8/6/2018 at 5:50 PM, ID4923 said:
hello let's recap, then for the headset I'm looking for information where to find it, for the uniform we adjust the collar and try to tighten trousers but the folds are a feature of the shiny fabric that was also used in the film, for pintuck let me know where to intervene so we fix it. of course we remain faithful to the tfa version, Kris sorry I have trouble posting photos on the forum for the excessive size (sorry but I'm not very practical, and I do not speak English).
thank you all for your cooperation and advice;)I'll be sure to say when I have a source for the headsets! It's just finding them at the moment proving tricky.
I appreciate that the fabric having a noticeable sheen does mean that folds and wrinkles are more apparent, however I would worry that if there are a lot of wrinkles or the wrinkles cannot be avoided or controlled, then the fabric choice for the costume might not be the right one. For Hux, a lot of costumers are using black bengaline faille. You will need to interface it with a good woven interfacing, especially for the jacket, in order to get it to behave. However we've been using it for these costumes for some time. It's not perfect but it's very very close! You need a subtle sheen without an obvious shine, if that helps. Plus it needs to be heavy enough and sturdy enough to make a suit out of, without creasing/wrinkling/folding a lot.
I have copied below the image of Petty Officer Unamo from the TFA Visual Dictionary. It's helpful to see the costume on a female figure since that better matches the costumer!
There are a few folds and creases in the fabric, yes. However you can very clearly see:
- Flat front, no bunching of fabric around the upper shin, knee or thigh area. They are neatly fitted to the wearers legs and hips.
- The side flaps are very well defined and sit almost perfectly straight, you can see where they are stitched together, along the outer seam of the trouser legs on both thighs.
- Even with the slight creasing or waves in the fabric due to the actor having slightly more curves than the thin male officer pictured next to her, you can see the pintuck detailing on the front of the pants, on each leg.
A couple of other things to note:
- A very clearly visible front fly closure.- Just at the bottom of her jacket, you can see the same metal hook and eye closures that feature on both Lieutenant Mitaka and General Hux, leading us to believe that this closure type was standard across all jackets and tunics in the First Order.
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Very slick.
Love it! Thankyou for posting these up, really good to see!
Please could we get a photo of the back of the gloves that you are using? It's tricky to see the backs while you wear them in these photos! My only other point to raise would be the seams on the backs of your boots as I've mentioned over on your FOSB costume thread. Otherwise this looks really nice.
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Hi Francesco
Amazing costume! Really impressed with this one and loving the fit overall, the greeblie on the belt with the two buttons is especially nice.
Just a couple of points though!- As you've already mentioned regarding the gloves, I'm pretty certain that they are white leather too. Which would make sense as all the other officers in the First Order use leather gloves. I know that there arent many references available for this costume but will have a dig around and see if I can find something which shows the gloves. I would imagine that they are plain-backed with no decorative stitching on the back of the palm, like all other gloves in TLJ.
- Would it be possible to get a close up photo of your blaster, the blaster holster, and the greeblie on your belt?
From what I can tell they look great! Would just like to see them on their own.
- Regarding your boots, do they have seams running up the back of the calf? I'm unsure if that would be admissable. All FO boots follow the same design and while they do have zippers in place, they are on the inside of each boot. There is no stitching/seams at the back of the boot.
- The only little personal nitpick I would mention is the way that the shoulder-strap for your blaster holster attaches to your belt at the back. I know that we don't have much reference of the back of the costume, I believe you only see it from behind here:
However I believe that a loop with a snap, might move around as you wear the costume. I'm also not overly fond of the look of the loop, personally! The First Order seem to stick to things attaching seamlessly to other things! Would it be possible to use industrial velcro or similar so that the strap goes over your shoulder and then attaches seamlessly beneath your belt?
Honestly though, a really great costume so far.
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Regarding TLJ references: The jacket for the most part remains very similar in design. As with all of the FO Uniforms for TLJ, structurally they were all improved upon after TFA but design-wise it's the same base jacket.
There are numerous changes in the pants design though. These changes also differ between Petty Officers, through the Gunner/Engineer and other personnel. If the maker is after specifically a TFA build, it's probably for the best just to focus on TFA references at present.
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I had known of the existence of the 501st for a while, but only really became interested in joining after I left my first viewing of TFA knowing I wanted to make a Kylo Ren costume.
I've always been a "If you're going to do something, do it properly" sort of person. I found that I was a sucker for the details, that I wanted to replicate the costume to the best of my ability, as a personal challenge to myself. There was a lot of information out there about Kylo when I started my research, and the 501 CRL documents were a useful checklist for all the little areas I needed to "hit" in order to be the best Kylo I could be, to a fairly well known level of accepted standard.If your costume was 501st approved? Oh wow! That meant something! To me, anyway. It was a badge of honour worth working for. Something you could be proud of!
During my time researching and building Kylo and in my early days of trooping, I got to know people both local to me and further afield in my garrison. I also started my second costume build for Hux. More research. More networking. More connections and more friends. Around the world! One Celebration went past, in London. Another in Orlando. Orlando Celebration was possibly one of the best experiences of my entire life, purely because of my friends and my big loud Legion family (with all its brothers and sisters).
Costuming with the 501st is absolutely pushing me to better myself, learn more skills, know more stuff. I love the challenge, to be honest! It's also put me in touch with friends near and far who I very likely would never have met otherwise, and who I don't know how I ever went without talking to or hanging out with. It's a costume club that definitely makes the most of passionate people (for better or worse) and it's had its ups and downs, but I've honestly never felt more at home.
- Tentayena, captsafe66 and Hask
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If possible, the wide hook and eye closures should be used for the front closure, rather than snaps or the "bra strap" style hook and eye closures which have been used here.
In the visual dictionary images of Chief Petty Officer Unamo, you can slightly see the same metal closures used on Hux and Mitaka, just visible in the opening of her jacket.
Thankfully these are easy to source and should be a case of replacing with the closures already there. In Europe they are wide hook and eye closures sold by Prym, I believe. In the USA, they are the same, but sold by Dritz.
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I'm currently looking into sourcing the headsets used for TFA. They all use the same one, there are a lot of them, and they do not look fabricated for the movie. They have to exist somewhere! I'll share what I find out.
Unfortunately all scenes featuring petty officers within TFA, which is the uniform type and style specified, have this headset in place. I'd imagine that this would need to be a non-optional accessory. Hopefully it will be a non-issue once a source for the headsets can be found!
At least there are no gloves, boots or hat to deal with!
I agree with Dawn in that the fit of the pants looks very strange. They would need to fit in the way you can see in the visual dictionary, which gives two good front-facing references of this uniform. There are minimal wrinkles and folds, unavoidable with this sort of fabric with a sheen, however they are straight-leg and smooth at front and sides. Photos showing the side flaps of the pants and the front pintuck from the upper thigh down to beneath the top of the boot would need to be provided also. -
In TFA, the hat brims were actually crisply cut but otherwise raw leather. So if you have the right kind of leather with a shiny finish up top, and that coarse suede side beneath, that is an option too. If a TFA style hat is what you're looking for.
The below are photos of screen-used hats, not replicas.
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Agreed. A lot of their product I believe is old army surplus, which has its downsides.
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It might have already been mentioned in this thread but I've heard of people having luck finding boots over on Sovietboots.com, could be worth a look?
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6 minutes ago, Evilshadow said:
was talking about the style, not the zippers
Very fair! I'd just worry that as the zippers were not seen on screen, there is no real guarantee that those boots were screen used, but I see what you mean! They're a good representation for the "spanish style" you see referenced on CRL texts. It confused me back in the day too. XD
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17 minutes ago, Evilshadow said:
And there you have the original ones, star wars costumes page 20
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I would take those boots with a pinch of salt, as I don't think anyone has managed to catch visual proof of boots with inner zips like that on film at any point for the OT.
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Oh my goodness <3
I am definitely saving this for later. I've been squirreling away poncho resources for the inevitable great white spacebat in my future and this is AMAZING. Thankyou for sharing this! -
I still say call it - First Order Admiral/General.
Both of the other uniforms have followed this trend. It's also a trend we have seen on screen. We have no visual proof of anyone else in Hux's specific uniform, regardless of rank. He's also the only one with that coat.
I entirely appreciate that, back in the day, you could have looked at Hux (especially with all the officers behind him during the speech scene, and "word from cast" that others wore the same uniform type) and said that we could have a generic FO General. However as is stated throughout many discussions, new information does and should affect CRLs and we respond accordingly.New information is:
- We've gone another full movie, nobody else in Hux's uniform. Nobody else in that coat.
- We've been given another shot of the black fold-over uniform. We've seen it on an Admiral with Admiral rank bars, We've now also seen it with General rank bars. FO uniforms so far have all covered TWO rank bars. The black foldover uniform now covers TWO ranks. The pattern fits.
There has been no issue with the FO uniforms in grey and teal. I don't see any issue with the black foldover being Admiral/General, since that is what I feel they are. The spanner in the works comes from decisions made in the past to create a generic uniform for Hux's CRL, which turns out might not actually be a rank and file uniform. I'm not saying that decision was wrong, not at all. Heck, back then I would have supported a generic General in that uniform. How were any of us to know that this would happen?
But it has happened.I don't know what to suggest to solve the Hux uniform issue. I don't really want to delete a CRL (can you even do that?) I don't want to render the handful of cleared "Generic FO General" costumes into a weird grey area (They would be grandfathered and still get to troop in them, I presume?). But, new information has arisen. This particular discussion regarding what to do with Hux's uniform and the "generic" version of it, is something that maybe does need looking at. Ignoring that issue, purely to make life easier for -this- CRL and not naming it "Admiral/General" - which is what it is - is not a particularly good solution. Not for the new CRL, and not for the issue with the current Hux-Generals.
Like I said. I don't know what the solution is for the Generic FO General. I'm a little bit uncomfortable with renaming it and allowing people to continue to clear with it, when we have zero proof that anyone but Hux wears that uniform. It's along the same lines as "lets have a generic Director so that people can make and wear that uniform with their own facial appearance and hair, or if they're women who don't want to look like men". Not that I'm pushing for that, by the way... That would be ridiculous. But, you see my point? -If- the generics, as they stand right now, can be removed? And existing generic Hux-General's grandfathered so they are still able to troop? It sucks... but it works? It's accurate? It's, I feel, correct? Others may disagree with me, that tends to happen a lot, but I just want to do right by the IOC CRL's and not have any weird fruity inaccurate stuff happening. I also want to do right by the First Order IOC CRLs, and giving the black foldover uniform a silly name because of not wanting to handle the Hux uniform situation doesn't feel right. -
You say let's not get bogged down with the rank, but the black foldover uniform has been seen with both the Admiral rank bar (stated as such from the TFA VisDic) and in TLJ with the General rank stripes.
As yet... we've seen no other personnel with General rank stripes. How exactly are we going to address the titling of this costume?
FO Uniforms have followed a trend so far of each style working for two ranks. The grey with code cylinders on the chest for Lieutenant and Captain. The teal foldover for Colonel and Major. The white FOSB tunic being worn by a Colonel I believe is more to do with his particular job than his rank (So that's going to be fun to deal with lol) but now we have the black foldover uniform worn by an Admiral and, it appears, a General. How will this be handled?
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I know that there are definitely warmer costumes in the Legion but this option would still make a huge difference for officers in warmer countries!
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4 hours ago, Exaldear said:
Speaking of the shirt. Perhaps it should be added to all officer uniforms as we have confirmation that all officers were given one for the film. Just an idea.
I wouldn't be adverse to this as an optional accessory, if we can get a little bit more screen ref of the cuffs visible here and there. A lot of people wear undershirts and such under their tunics to keep them nice/for comfort so this might be a nice little added extra and another thing for those who want to go above and beyond with their screen accuracy?
I also appreciate the "it's not seen" argument for keeping them off. So yeah, if we can get some more visual proof of generics wearing shirts under their uniforms, yes. Otherwise, sadly, gonna have to side with no too. :C -
Just now, rattleandburn said:
Hold out for the last issue of the Thrawn comic where he'll be in the Grand Admiral uniform finally, and then come back and make your case with some lovely full 360' reference images
lol I was literally going to say this
There's a more "realistic" version of the uniform on the cover of the next Thrawn book too, with those solid epaulettes. -
I believe there have been posts about this exact subject from confused members previously, too. I love configs but yeah a little bit of tightening up is required here I think.
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On 08/06/2018 at 2:23 PM, Mitthrawnuruodo said:
If the current Line/ISB CRL can be changed and updated, great.
I wouldn't hold my breath. In 5 years I've seen the hats vs. not hats debate come up more times then I can remember. As noted previously, obviously nothing happened otherwise the topic wouldn't be coming back again. None of us are the CO or XO of this detachment so it's up to them if they want to make this change (if this was a debate about Gunners, then I could actually do something LOL)
Personally, I'd rather see the Service Dress become a new CRL.
I'd like to think that regardless of the CO and XO's preferences, if enough members wanted something and it can be correctly sourced with refs etc, a vote could be held or the idea would at least be entertained.
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9 minutes ago, Exaldear said:
Well I believe that would fall under security.
Possibly, for that example, but I hope you can see what I'm getting at? I'm not picking holes in the idea! Just maybe an "other" category OR the scope to add an additional.. whether that would be a possibility on the table following a reshuffle... should the need arise? I know we can't continually fuss around with this sort of thing forever and ever, but it'd be good to get "yes we could look at adding a new category if the need arose in future" just for safety's sake?
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Interested.