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I'm a sucker for a crisp uniform. <3

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Thankyou!

Hi guys

Please can the closure information for all current First Order tunic CRLs be looked at when possible? Just a few small wording amendments.

Lieutenant/Captain/General/Hux - Can "Buck" clasps be replaced with the correct word "Busk"? "Buck clasp" is a typo from what I can tell. Technically, they should just be hook and eye closures, and not busk at all. If you google busk, it's very difficult to understand what exactly you need to use for these uniforms. If we want to get super technical, "Wide hook and eye closures" will bring up the most accurate results if googled without needing to specify sizes, brands etc.

Major/Colonel - As this is so reminiscent of the Imperial tunics, is there no reason why hidden snaps could not be used here? It's a foldover tunic, hook and eyes would probably be unhelpful. Use of hook and eyes were not mentioned in the submitted CRL draft, only that closures, whatever they were, be hidden. The CRL tunic actually uses snaps, too

The closures on LT/Cap/Gen/Hux are super specific and really important to the look, they're seen on screen so many times, so I think any and all help we can give makers and GML's in "what is correct" will be very beneficial. As for the blue uniforms, specifying hook and eyes is incorrect and unhelpful, when they should be using hidden snaps I would imagine. Placement and number is entirely at the whim of the builder so long as they're hidden, much like all the other foldover tunics should be.

Thankyou!

Thanks for the catch, we'll put it on the list.

Here are some pics that I have of IOC members from various troops last year. I hope this is what you're looking for Ron. Ive also included the TKIDs of the members in the photos. All of these are from the Badlands Garrison
 
Left to right: IC-10601 and ID-11872
Ronald McDonald House Bloc Party, June 25, 2017, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

 
Left to right: ID-10701, IC-10601 and ID-11872
Star Wars Night with the Edmonton Oil Kings hockey team at Rogers Place, Nov 4, 2017, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

 
Left to right: ID-5059, ID-11872, IC-10701 and IC-10601
Edmonton Comic and Entertainment Expo, Sept 23, 2017, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

 
Left to right: ID-10701, ID-11872 and ID-91348 
Music of Star Wars with the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra at the Winspear Centre, Nov 29, 2017, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

 
 

"Stand here" they said. "Everything is under control. Don't listen to the rumours about rebel attacks" they said. UKG IC11645 guarding the Death Star at MCM ComicCon, London, October 2017.

OK Officers and Crew, we're looking for awesome, quality photos of IOC members in action at events to post on our Facebook page, so if you have one that you'd like to share, post it here. If possible, avoid posting photos with the general public in the background. You can have a bit of fun posting humorous photos, but keep it in good taste. Photos will be picked at random and posted on Facebook, and we'll try to pick photos that reflect the spirit of the Officer Corps. Please include a brief description of the event, TKIDs of the members, and Garrison info.
 
*** UPDATE***
 
We now have a Twitter account, so your photos can now be posted there as well!

Fair points!

I don't know how tricky it is to rename a CRL after publication? Would it not be possible to amend the title once we find out who that chap Kylo is talking to ("prepare my ship" scene) is supposed to be? Like, what rank?

EDIT: and as further ranks are confirmed as wearing the black fold over uniform, we could add more, with specific rank bar amendments such as the Lt/Cap and Major/Col

As the most recent FO CRL, Hux's has the most up to date language and terms, so should probably be the base for all FO going forward.

I'd imagine similar to the Lieutenant/Cap and the Major/Col: First Order Admiral

If we can get a definitive, visual couple of references for the Admiral pants, I'd be totally fine and happy with following the lead of the Major with regards to how the black Admiral tunic goes together. The shot of the actor in the tunic with its red double-bands is super useful, even if the fit of the thing looks godawful!

It's the cape that gives me concerns. Without enough solid refs I'm just really uncomfortable including it at all. Should we get more in the future, then -absolutely- add it into a CRL if one exists by then.

I'm more keen on getting "An Admiral" CRL out there and making the base uniform correct and available to everyone, than worrying too much about the cloak, which can always be added later on if more information and visual references arise.  If we can nail down those pants!

The guy at the elevator when Finn and DJ etc get off? I thought he was an admiral too. Would need confirmation on that rank bar set. It's a double, whatever it is, so that's promising.
No wraps on those pants though I don't think.

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Aye, if we can get more info on that cloak in future, it could be a neat little optional extra for all officers or colourways spotted wearing it.

I never doubted others were wearing the cloaks. I'm pretty sure there were some grey uniforms wearing them in the shots of the audience too, I'd need to go dig those pics out since I found them/was shown them aaaages ago.
I was more saying that, as and when we get more information about that cloak itself, how it is made, how the arm openings work, what it looks like from the back... it -should- be an optional extra for all confirmed uniforms seen wearing it. I would imagine that it would extend to everyone, possibly even Generals.
(There is a chap who runs the con circuit in the UK who has played a FO Trooper and a FO General in the speech scene. At least that's what his CV says! Proving there were other Generals in attendance. I'm unsure if he wore the cape or the coat though. Worth a dig. :D)

Yeah, like if they have any at all. If there is any allowance for the officer wearing it to raise his arms and do stuff while wearing the cloak, or if it's completely sealed on the sides and draped so that the officer would need to use the front to handle anything etc.
I appreciate that sealed sides is probably the case, the front being the only opening? These things were only designed to be worn when stood at parade rest or stood to attention, they'd probably fall off if not secured in place when worn on a troop etc. XD

I'd guess something along the lines of: They were never intended to be worn for longer than this specific scene, at parade rest. I bet nobody thought they'd be put under this level of scrutiny. XD

The greatcoat alone, when worn like a cape, is a complete nightmare to move around in, it keeps wanting to slide off the shoulders. And the greatcoat is a firmer/sturdier fabric and has shaped shoulder caps with fitted shoulderpads. I'd guess that for the cape to be trooped in regularly, if you weren't holding it down when you moved to prevent it sliding off (I have to do this when I do the stupid Greatcoat-Over-Shoulders cape look) you'd need some kind of fastener?

Officer Cadet would be cool if we can't alter the existing CRL? They're def all officers in the comics that we can see, training together, so we won't step on anyone elses toes then?

Could potentially look at the black "belt" or "jacket bottom" thing a little harder, since there is artwork in the Thrawn comic where Eli and Thrawn get given their uniforms and the thick black strip described as the bottom of the jackets in the current CRL, isn't there. Also when Thrawn gets roughed up (spoilers lol?) the jacket part bags out over the black part a fair bit. I'm highly suspecting it's actually a belt? The front of the design even looks like a buckle..

Yeah I mean obviously a GML with any sense would just allow any hidden closure. You never see a closure on the foldover tunics so go with what sits subtly and holds well. But if a GML was to get nitpicky and require hook and eye closures, that would potentially sit really awkwardly, not hold very well, pull strangely...

Hi guys

Please can the closure information for all current First Order tunic CRLs be looked at when possible? Just a few small wording amendments.

Lieutenant/Captain/General/Hux - Can "Buck" clasps be replaced with the correct word "Busk"? "Buck clasp" is a typo from what I can tell. Technically, they should just be hook and eye closures, and not busk at all. If you google busk, it's very difficult to understand what exactly you need to use for these uniforms. If we want to get super technical, "Wide hook and eye closures" will bring up the most accurate results if googled without needing to specify sizes, brands etc.

Major/Colonel - As this is so reminiscent of the Imperial tunics, is there no reason why hidden snaps could not be used here? It's a foldover tunic, hook and eyes would probably be unhelpful. Use of hook and eyes were not mentioned in the submitted CRL draft, only that closures, whatever they were, be hidden. The CRL tunic actually uses snaps, too

The closures on LT/Cap/Gen/Hux are super specific and really important to the look, they're seen on screen so many times, so I think any and all help we can give makers and GML's in "what is correct" will be very beneficial. As for the blue uniforms, specifying hook and eyes is incorrect and unhelpful, when they should be using hidden snaps I would imagine. Placement and number is entirely at the whim of the builder so long as they're hidden, much like all the other foldover tunics should be.

Thankyou!

Officer Cadet would be cool if we can't alter the existing CRL? They're def all officers in the comics that we can see, training together, so we won't step on anyone elses toes then?

Could potentially look at the black "belt" or "jacket bottom" thing a little harder, since there is artwork in the Thrawn comic where Eli and Thrawn get given their uniforms and the thick black strip described as the bottom of the jackets in the current CRL, isn't there. Also when Thrawn gets roughed up (spoilers lol?) the jacket part bags out over the black part a fair bit. I'm highly suspecting it's actually a belt? The front of the design even looks like a buckle..

Imperial Cadet CRL

Currently, this CRL mandates the helmet be worn for basic approval. I suggest this be moved to optional accessories. 

We've kind of long assumed that cadets don't wear that nonsense 24/7, but thanks to Thrawn #1 we see a variety of cadets in different situations, with full front/back/side ref, and no helmet to be seen. I've included a few caps (spoiler warning for this issue!) and the rest are on the linked IMGUR album, showing both Thrawn and Eli as well as generic background cadets in mess hall, quarters, class, public space, and in front of superior officers without helmet and from all angles. In all cases where the characters are drawn large enough/art is detailed enough, the seam lines and details of the uniform precisely match the Rebels reference used for the CRL, and the CRL itself. So, definitely not a costume variant, just a helmetless option.

Imperial Cadet Reference IMGUR





Edit: secondary sources

Rebels childrens book


Ezra's student ID pic

For Rebels it was most likely the easiest way to animate on a budget, they only needed a male and female model and could slap the same texture on top of it, which was then not necessary for any of the print media^