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kevair464

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  1. The only reason the Imperial Army Troopers wound up in Spec Ops was they were the only Detachment that volunteered to take them in. No other Detachment wanted them.

    I know, just sayin with the growing number of CRLs that can fit into this category maybe the Imperial Army needs their own detachment?


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  2. Hello fellow Officers,
    at the moment we are disussion the CRL in our GML-Group during an approval-process. We are wondering that the Imperial Code Disc on the hat becomes a requiement from level 2 on. This is odd since that would be the only hat-wearing Officer-CRL not requiring the Code Disc on the hat for a basic-approval. Is there a reason for this?
     
    Thank you very much in advance and best imperial regards! :salute:

    That may be a typo. I think the L2 requirement is meant to be a code dial without the notch as is seen on the non-saga era Disney Lucasfilm officers. With the update we should probably just require a painted and weathered non-notched code disk for basic approval.


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  3.  
    Hey Kevin!  This update is definitely on our to-do list, but we're trying to clean up some long overdue costumes that have been waiting considerably longer.  (In particular the rebels officer and non-saga crew flightsuits, after which smaller revisions like this are tops)
     
    Are there any small, straightforward changes that you feel are urgent?  I can possibly implement them sooner than a larger overhaul.

    Nothing is urgent, I figured staff was busy getting new CRLs in, which I agree is a far bigger priority than adjusting old ones. No one here is in a hurry, let’s get some new CRLs first


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  4. Being an old Marine,the muddy uniform would only make sense, same as the full armor you propose. I too wish the costumers could clarify this for us. The limit on visual references is frustrating.

    It really is, and as far as what makes sense, it depends on what they were going for. In many other armies, especially during WW1 which this mimics, officers wore a very different uniform fr the enlisted men, Germans and British especially


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  5. Would like to add one more observation. In both animated frames, The Major & Beckett appear to be wearing Mud Trooper uniforms. If this is the case, could this possibly be added as another option?

    The majors tunic looks to be a double breasted Officer tunic, Becketts is hard to tell but Becket (as a disguise character) doesn’t technically count (not my decision, detachment leadership has made this clear). The pants do look to be Mudtrooper pants, but I’m not sure the allowance of mixing media, comics vs film. Granted on screen we never get a clear shot of their pants or tunic.

    I’d love it if someone with LfL contacts could get a costume person to clarify what’s under the trench coat, as the LT is wrapped up, and the lighting with the Major is HORRIBLE


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  6. "Holster has two belt loops, made of the same material as the holster."

    From what I understand all SE-14r blaster holsters is RO, Solo and so on are the style with a SINGLE loop. Would not that be the most likely to be correct here as well?

    Yep, in fact the one approved for the CRL pictures is single loop.


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  7. Where is Beckett pictured wearing them?

    Also, we will be following the new guidelines set forth by the Non-Saga Officer CRL, in that optional accessories will be listed and available to this CRL in general.

    Matching a specific character will be up to the individual when applying for L2/3 certification


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  8. Spec Ops clearly rolls differently than we do, and I don't agree with their call on using what is *clearly* 100% personal gear (for someone who is not a "bad guy"), and not Imperial gear, in a CRL for an Imperial trooper.  If it was a face character, it would be a very different story... but then you'd be in the debate about whether or not Val (and Beckett) is a 501st character or Rebel Legion.  But a generic Mudtrooper, which is what that configuration claims to be, would never include Val's personal clothing and gear as part of their kit.
     
    It's literally and exactly the opposite of what we believe should be happening here, with Beckett's goggles.
     
    Regardless of how Spec Ops feels on the subject, that Mudtrooper example makes my point as an example of what NOT to do.
     
    Link for ease of reference in this discussion: https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TX_-_Mudtrooper#Version Four

    Just bringing it up as a point of reference.

    Beckett would for sure be 501st as a Bounty Hunter or Denizen, at no point is he really a “good guy”. His “Mimban Officer disguise” would be fine as a face character I guess, but I what detachment, I have no idea. Cause he’s essentially a bad guy disguised as a bad guy from another faction (very different circumstances from Han/Luke as TKs).


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  9. Regarding the goggles, we’ve discussed it before that it can’t be proven either way whether it’s Imperial issue or Beckett’s personal gear. Apologies in advance for labouring on this point.

    However, the Mudtrooper v4 CRL clearly features Val’s personal gear too. We don’t see any other Muddies wearing the red scarf, red climbing rope, etc.

    Stating what is probably the obvious, and I know detachments do things differently, but shouldn’t we, the Legion, be consistent in our approach?


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    Yes, and I agree. If Vals variant is a tab for the Mudtrooper, Becketts variant should be a tab for the Mimban Officer for consistency sake.


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  10. Thanks guys, I like the work here so far.  @kevair464 were you going to recommend changes of your own, in addition to George's?
     
    I agree we need to keep the weathering fairly optional, at this point.  And regrettably, I'm still of the opinion that the goggles need to go, unless we can find *any* confirmation that they're official Imperial kit and not just Beckett's personal gear.  Their Imperial costumes were a combination of personal kit and stolen gear, and bits of each were kept for later.  And yet Beckett is the only one *ever* seen with those goggles, among all the officers seen.
     
    When we get ready to pick this up I'll likely refine and tweak things a bit further, but I think Kevin still had some input to submit, and we're not quite ready to go hard on this one just yet anyway, so there's still some time.
     
    Off to a great start here, though!

    Much of my ideas are in older threads regarding this, perhaps we need to merge these all together, as I believe there are 3-4 threads on this scattered between the Solo sub forum and the CRL sub forum.

    I am in agreement with much of what Geogios has added. I’d like to see variant tabs with pictures, one for the closed coat Lieutenant with the fur collar, and one for the open coat major with no collar.

    Still holding out hope we either see more of these types of officers in Andor/Obi Wan, or we get to talk to someone who worked on this part of Solo and get more insight.


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  11. i agree, that there should not be requirement for weathering the costume as it may be that some people might wish to use their boots or officers tunic with other IOC costumes. hence, why i worded it as you may weather the items in question. Also, I believe that we should include alternate photographs of examples of more heavier weathering as far as the costume is concerned. as by point of fact, our two representations of the costume are vastly different, with your costume being very much clean and mine very much being dirty by the strictest of comparisons.

    I actually have 2 uniforms, one is much more battle worn and muddy. However, I let my historical reenactment background effect my 501st stuff. Really no one would be consistently as dirty as a few of the combat scenes in Solo, especially not officers.

    This is reflected in the films, as non of the visible officers are nearly as filthy as the Mudtrooper grunts.

    Look at old pictures from the muddy trenches of WW1, outside of full on combat photos everyone is fairly well kept, especially officers.

    I did weather the armor quite a bit, carbon scoring, scratches, etc, but uniform wise, I try to keep it somewhere between parade and disgusting


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  12. Sorry I've been slacking here, been busy with work and other things.

     

    I like the changes, they go right along with my idea for the re-do, that being to refine the existing CRL to make it more specific and add L2/L3 Options, as well as make it encompass more ranks/options for the CRL, that being the open coat version, and Captain/Major ranks.

     

    We will still need to sadly delete the googles,  we can't prove either way (unless we get someone from LFL to weigh in) whether or not they were part of the Imperial kit that Beckett stole, or they were his personal items.  The visual guide calls them "Field Goggles" which leans me to them being Imperial, but that's really something for someone above my paygrade to decide on.  I'd personally like to keep them in.

     

    One thing that we also need to work out, is whether or not to include the full armor as an option.  Obviously only the chest plate can be fully required as it is all that can be seen under the coat, but it is really hard to tell from screen caps if they are wearing full mudtrooper armor or not.  In some it looks like the coat is hanging on the back plate (unless Woody has a hunch back), and there is the behind the scenes photo of the LT sitting, and he is sitting oddly like he has the backplate on.  Same goes for the briefly seen Major, he seems to have a little bit of a hunch back going, and with the open coat part of the back piece would be seen when moving around.    Hard to call, again input from LFL would be the only help here, and again, above my pay grade.

     

    Also, as far as weathering.   I believe this should be optional.  It is mandatory for the Troopers, but if you look at screencaps the Officers aren't nearly as dirty (if you discount Beckett, who's uniform has obviously been requisitioned from a dead guy).   The Lieutenant who throws Han to Chewie is actually fairly clean (may be a rear-area guy).   But regardless the hard weathering required for the Mudtroopers should defiantly be toned down a bit for officers.

     

    Boots, and this is a generic Solo/R1 thing.  Should possibly be opened up to allow for First Order style boots.  As these can be seen mixed in with both films.

  13. I’m not a color expert, but from all the on screen images and production images it’s definitely a shade of field grey, which as we know from the Line Officer tunics can vary pretty widely in shade.

    Regardless I may be interested in a new coat if a new vendor is coming out with them


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  14. Putting this on hold until Detachment Staff puts together and finishes the upcoming Non-Saga Line Officer CRL.   Plan on borrowing a lot from that, especially when it comes to boots with buckles and expansion points.

  15. I’ve never understood the absence of the E10 for this CRL. Even without lightening the stills it was obvious what it was. Love this proposed addition

    And starting the #keeptheofficergoggles movement


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    I may be starting the great IOC Goggle revolt with this CRL update..... #keeptheofficergoggles

    And regarding the E-10 it’s because the CRL was originally designed completely around the Lieutenant who throws Han to the wookie pit


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  16. Alright here are some screen caps and what I'd like to do:

     

    First Item: The poor Major who gets blowed up....added as a Tab varient

     

    He wears an open standard line officer trench coat, no fur collar, no goggles, and carried an E-10 blaster.   He also clearly is wearing the same chest armor.  Due to the lighting of the film its impossible to see what other accessories he has, but he does not appear to be wearing any shin guards as are depicted in the comic.   

     

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    Now we could add details from the comic posted above, or potentially make his look based off the comic depiction since we can not mix the two.

     

    First Item, Part Two ComicBoogaloo:

     

    If we go with the comic book version then we similarly have chest armor, open coat, E-10.  But now we clearly see the normal Officer Tunic due to its side closure, the basic Officer Belt and Buckle with no Boxes.  The Mudtrooper Second Belt, and Mudtrooper Shin Guards.   This is a more dynamic second Tab option, but I 1: Don't know if anyone has this costume, and 2: Can we mix Live Action and Comics in the same CRL even as different Tabs

     

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    Either way, I would like this to be added as a Varient Tab to the current Mimban Officer CRL.

     

     

    Second Item:  The addition of the normal Olive Line Officer Tunic to the CRL.

     

    In order to make the above work, clearly something has to be worn under the Trench Coat and Armor.   I know these images are of Beckett, who is NOT part of this CRL, but he is clearly wearing an Officer tunic with the throat hooks undone at the collar, you can see it here, you can also see the center "dart" seam common to all Line Officer Tunics.  He is wearing a scarf of somesort underneath it, but that is besides the point.

     

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    Third Item:  Addition of a L2 requirement for the Chest Armor from the Normal Mudtrooper CRL:

    OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

    • Green color is similar to Pantone 350U overlaid with Pantone 433U.

     

    Fourth Item:  The sad removal of the Goggles as an optional accessory, unless we can get some verification these weren’t just a personal item owned by Beckett

     

    Fifth Item: The addition of the E-10 blaster rifle as a weapon.

     

     

     

     

     

  17.  

    We can ask Glyn Dillon.  Or you can ask him yourself when he speaks with us in a zoom session in June if you want.  He designed the costume and knew of the specific requirements for Woody.

    Is there a date for this zoom meeting yet with Glyn? If I can’t make it I’d like to submit a list of questions to someone from Detachment command to ask him if there is time regarding this CRL.... let me know

     

    I’d like to start fleshing this out, especially since it seems the IOC CRLs may be under extra scrutiny now with everything going on.

     

     

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  18. The rank on a wedge is technically part of the CrL already, it won’t sit flush since it is a ridged solid bar and the armor curves.

    You can see how mine is attached here, ignore the shoulder emblems that’s me having some non-canon fun with a part of the armor that’s under the coat anyway (and also not required).

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