SkullCrow

I agree that the creation of new CRLs to cater to minor details in things like animation styles etc. is unnecessary.
Although there are a few notable differences. The code cylinder clips, the rank badges and the belts. Coburn has the greebles on the other side from the rivet, whereas Krennic does not (It irks me how he’s a lefty with a right handed holster. I suppose when you get promoted to Director you do as you please with a crossdraw six shooter ).
The ISB tunic from a lore standpoint has always been 6F white. Rogue One and Andor had various shades out of necessatiy, as I’m sure you know.
It makes much more sense to add any additional details from BB and other media directly to their Non-Saga CRLs.

Reference sheet. This might be helpful in the discussion? 

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Okay, that should be enough.
Pretty much just this one screen grab showing everyone's favorite "Commander" Krennic. This point in time, he's only got an RK-3 instead of his famous six shot DT-29. Also gloves, and he's suddenly right handed!

Hello Guys
 
I would like to take on the republic naval officer from clone wars season 7.
I know that there is another proposal with a similar character/costume but there are some differences I would like to point out.
 
The other naval officer has a blue/lightgrey fabric (from my point of view) - my naval officer has a stone/mid grey fabric.
The other naval officer wears not always a hat - mine does.
The other naval officer has no patches attached on the upper sleeves - mine does.
There maybe more differnces
 
I'd prefer to talk about some issues concerning the pattern, fabric etc. before I start to buy the materials and send them to my tailor with the instructions, if that works for you as well.
 
There are some things wich I noticed that are important and need your opinion/verdict.
 
- The fabric should be a stone/mid grey gabardine/cavarly twill fabric. Hat, tunic and trousers should be made of the same fabric.
There is a code disc attached on the hat made of three different sized discs.
- They are wearing a classic imperial OT style hat but with a sort of a strap attached upon the visor but made of the same fabric.
- The collar closure should be left over right just like the collar closure of my other republic officer from clone wars.
- The rank is made in the same style as the one from my other republic officer (clone wars) but with a single bar and three red or blue tiles or one blue and two red tiles.
- They are wearing rectangular shoulder boards (just like the republic officer - clone wars).
- There is a black piping made of black satin sewn on the tunic (just like the republic officer - clone wars).
- They are wearing patches of the grand army of the republic on every upper sleeve.
- Here comes the tricky part. I think the middle part of the front and the back of the tunic are seperated and slightly lifted in a similar way as they did with the special black ANH tunic. If so it would easier to make, not just for me but also for other members.
The lower right part of the piping sits right on the edge of the lifted middle part, where the upper left part of the piping sits a few inches/cm to the right of the edge from the lifted middle part.
- For me it looks like the lifted part runs all over the tunic from the shoulders to the bottom just like it does with the ANH tunic.
- The closure should be on the left side of the tunic.
- The back of the tunic has one seam that runs in the center of the tunic from the neck to the bottom.
- There is a vent that runs from belt height to the bottom on the back of the tunic.
- Sleeves should contain 2 seams, one in front and one in back for a better practicability.
- There are two rank-bands of black satin ribbon on both sleeves.
- The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material and is approximately 2" (51 mm) wide.
There are no loops on the belt. The buckle has rounded corners and constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
- The Code disk is a stepped cone shape appearing to be 3 discs stacked on top of one another. • The larger disc is 1.4 inch (3.5 cm), the second disc is 1 inch (2.5 cm). And the thrid disc is a half inch (1.25 cm).
- The trousers are tucked into the boots but don't have flares at the hip area. They are straight and show a confortable/slim fit.
- The boots are knee high black riding boots with clone wars style cuffs on the shafts made of black leather.
- They wear black leather gloves.
 
I hope I didn't forget anything. What do you think?
 
You can find the links to the photos posted on flickr here:
 
Fabric examples:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Star Wars: Visions: 
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lop_%26_Ochō

Character : Ochō


 















Hair:

Black Short hairstyle

Makeup:



Outfit:
White Cape (The design is like the krennic poncho but without the front) 

Other stuff:
Weapon that can break into three parts. (space logic) 


White Tunic
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants. On the Left side there is a Rectangle Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. Yoke comes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam. The standing collar has square corners and is between 1.25" (31.8 mm) to 2" tall. Collar closes snugly and includes a modesty panel behind closure. Collar edges are closed with two eye hooks. There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole. Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons. Sleeves contain 2 seams. One along the bottom and one along the back. Tunic is constructed with no top-stitching (stitches visible on the exterior surface of fabric) Hook and eye fasteners on the uniform should not be visible.

Jodhpur Trousers, Black Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Flared riding breeches are canon, with semi-stiff flares to the hip/thigh area. Breeches are worn with boots. Pockets are acceptable, although are not visible with the tunic on.

Rank Bar
Top: 3 Blue  Below: 3 Red Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a single or double metal or metal looking bar. Worn on the left side of the Cape over the heart. Each bar is approximately 1" to 1.25" height. Length is determined by chosen rank. Rank tile dimensions and spacing are appropriate and proportional to the sizing of the bar to allow for equidistant and even spacing from each other and the border of the bar. Please note that final dimensions of the bar is proportional to the wearer. Rank bar corners are hard angle or slightly rounded Rank tiles are translucent. Color, quantity, and combinations of the tiles/bars are determined by rank, and are appropriate to uniform type/color as supported by licensed reference.

Code Cylinders 2 Code Cylinders. Wore on the Right side Modified: silver "chalk holder" tube with short clip, top is colored Blue. Rod style: machined aluminum rod with flaring disc detail at top Dosimeter style: True Dosimeter with correct clip and Blue top. Alternate style: silver clip, no blue tip.
Belt
The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the buckle. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 ⅛" (66.7 mm) high and 4 ⅛" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.

Officer Boots Knee-high, black, riding style, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material. There are no buckles, snap tabs or decoration. Boots have conservative heels. A single stretch panel or zipper may be present, they are to be hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft. Not visible from the front, side or back.

Gloves Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a non-textured leather or leather-like material. Enclosed fingers.
Hairstyle
Black Shoulder length Hair
Makeup
Red color cat eye makeup

   

Hello-

Adding in a new update for after elections.

Francesco, from MazCave, pointed out the dart on the attendant is not correct. The CRL should match the Dedra CRL. The dart seem should be 2-3 inches.

As per our conversation with @chicken45 (and his conversation with Katrina), the CRL could be reworded so the dart line ends where the code cylinder pockets begin.

Thank you, Robert,

I appreciate you taking the time to summarise the whole situation. I did briefly read over the many replies and pages from the original post, but you have summed it up perfectly.
I am always amazed by the hard work and dedication of some individuals in the Legion, and I’m glad that the costume creator could finally get the resolution she was deserving of.
 

Thank you, Robert,

I appreciate you taking the time to summarise the whole situation. I did briefly read over the many replies and pages from the original post, but you have summed it up perfectly.
I am always amazed by the hard work and dedication of some individuals in the Legion, and I’m glad that the costume creator could finally get the resolution she was deserving of.
 

You  can read the entire history and development here chronologically starting with page one here.  The thread and initial posts was created by an LMO at the same time the visual guides were released with the Rise of Skywalker premier in December of 2019.

In March of 2020 a cadet (a person not a fully approved member of the legion) was announced to be working on a costume.  The cadet started showing their work and progress taking direction and advice from members, the staff and the LMO who started the thread.  By July the body of the costume was mostly finished.  Only a few items remained.

By October 2020, the costume was finsihed and the Cadet was ready to submit.  They were not aware of the process of getting permission from the LMO office prior to starting and no one had explained this to them.  The LMO clears a costume to proceed.... it gets made by the applicant.  A CRL is written and if it is written well and the costume is of sufficient quality it is published as a CRL.

The first visible pass of a CRL text is in February 2021 by the applicant. 

A full CRL text is posted by the applicant in March 2021 when my administration came into office.  That is when the questions started about the back seam of the tunic.  Ironically, a German garrison member at this time pointed out the back seams on the Lego minifig of the character (which turned out to be right).   The final CRL text was shown at the end of March 2021.

In April I brought in one of the head LMOs to see what we could do to get things started.  He came in and stated that the LMO office now voted on if costumes could proceed.  This was a new development.  The second thing was he wished we had involved the LMO office from the start (the thread was created by the other head LMO and mostly commented on by him up to that point).  We were then involved that there was not enough views for the CRL to proceed and it was placed on hold.

And the entire thread went bananas including the previous detachment leader calling foul.  
Was the LMO in the right to make this decision? Yes, they are the final arbiter.  Was it right.  I didn't think so.  A lot of people didn't think so.  And there was really no indication that this would be stopped until I came into office.  

Another LMO who is active in the detachment made a statement of support and a suggestion for getting it cleared.  They took down their post and resigned their position.
 
Over the next month into May a number of members and staff that had been very pro creation for this costume, came out against it in the same thread.  The blame for this decision was placed on the entire LMO office that voted.  It should be noted that this team is different than this past year's LMO team.  Other detachment leaders that do not have IOC costumes created accounts and came in flummoxed at the decision.   There was arguments over the people that were for the CRL being paused as they were involved in the publishing of CRLs that didn't have the same references.  Old wounds got opened over that and that is why some bring up some CRLs periodically and ask if they can be removed for a lack of references.   Promises to check sources and find out conclusively what the detail of the lower back of the tunic were made, but nothing was revealed.

The following year in 2022 I reached out to our Legion Commanding Officer Justin Sonfield and told him the history of this CRL's development.  I said it was outrageous that this one detail would prevent it from being published.  I stated the cadet was prepared to make any change that would be revealed from finding out this detail.  I asked them if they would speak to LFL about it.  Justin did and explained the situation.  LFL was not able to provide a reference photo, but Justin was able to show them a line of of many tunic back seams.  It was something of a police line up, but LFL fingered the one they said was correct.  It turned out to be the same seams on the LEGO minifig.  The cadet made modifications to their tunic and we were able to submit.  The LMO office accepted it and it was published.  That happened under @mrrikki LMO administration and I have admired his commitment to get things created.  Both him and Justin Sonfield are committed to a pro costume growth platform.
 

Hi all! 
ISB 
A few observations from ISB uniforms in Andor, episode 7. Some of these things are easier to see from actively watching the show rather than in stills due to camera focus and the refresh rate of pixels on the screen. In any case:
-The material of the tunics is definitely an Ivory/Cream/Off-White cavalry twill. 
-All of their boots have top straps that buckle on the outer side of each boot, identical to Director Krennic. I know Crow Props make similar boots and I imagine any cobbler worth his salt can add them. See pictures here: https://postimg.cc/gallery/pPf4YKn
 
-They all have belt hooks, similar to Wehrmacht tunics: https://postimg.cc/34txj5kc
 
-The assumption since the release of Rogue One is that the push buttons on non-saga rank plaques are larger than OT push buttons; however, upon closer inspection, I think it’s the plaque itself that’s smaller, leaving less room for space between the buttons. This accounts for how much visible space their is between the center seam under the tunic collar and the rank plaques. The only other explanation is that all of the actors are unusually large, which does not appear to be the case. Colonel Yularen has a six button rank plaque, but there’s 1 to 1 1/2 inches between the center seam and his rank plaque and between the code cylinder pocket and the rank plaque. https://postimg.cc/HJSqBptX
 
-The tunics fasten with an flat metal bit that slides into a bracket. This is similar to tuxedo and bespoke suit trouser fasteners. I’m not sure of the proper name, but it isn’t a snap button. https://postimg.cc/K3TCGthD 
 
-The tunic collars fasten with 2 large, silver hook & eye fasteners and there is no privacy collar. If the collars are 2 inches high, each hook is approximately 1/3 of an inch in height. https://postimg.cc/kBrkjYW1
 
-Assuming Inspector General Bozeden Jeems was a Captain (3 red, 1 blue), then it appears that ISB ranks Major and up wear silver shoulder boards. 
 
-So far, new cannon material has shown us the following ISB ranks in live action / behind the scenes: attendant/lieutenant (2 blue); supervisor/senior lieutenant (3 blue); Captain/IG (3 red, 1 blue); Major (5 blue); and Colonel (3 red, 3 blue). 
 
-Although the comics have ISB flag officers, I think a very good case can be made that they are portraying Yularen as the head of ISB. We know he was an Admiral in the Republic, and it doesn’t make sense that he’d take a demotion. 14 years into the Empire, he’s a colonel and he speaks directly to Palpatine. It would be unusual for an ordinary O-6 to talk directly to the Executive if there are other more senior ranks in between. As such, I think ISB’s rank structure does not mirror the ordinary Imperial Military. This keeps with ideas presented in “Thrawn,” where Yularen tells Thrawn that an ISB Colonel has more pull with Coruscant than their relative ranks suggest. We also know that Supervisor Blevin orders around Captain Vanis Tigo (the “Prefect”) in episode 4. This is similar to the comparative authority of SS/SD officers compared to their WWII Army counterparts. In fact, SS/SD Officers often held separate ranks within the reserve Army. 
-Gloves appear to be optional, like trench coats. 
-Every ISB Officer appears to have their belt snap button on the wearer’s left side. 
-The ISB tunics appear to have semi-stiff interfacing inside the front panel. 
 
Respectfully, 
 
Skellen Ryke (“Edward ReBrook”)
ID 60086 

I have a picture coming, but here's the draft text for the epaulets. 
 
 
Epaulets, Silver Dark silver, colored strips, firmly attached on the edge of each shoulder. The strips are matte or metallic in finish and made with a semi-rigid to rigid material. The strips have a small raised ridge around the edge. The strips are no more than 1.25 inches in width.  Positioned across the collar bone where the shoulder begins, between the shoulder seam and yoke seam. The strips do not overlap the seams they sit between.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The lower limit of the strip, in positioning, should run parallel to the lowest point of the center of the collar. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Have a metallic sheen.

The Imperial Military Department of Advanced Weapons Research (AWR) is one of the ten branches of the ISB (The ISB is then a sub-group of COMPNOR). That's why Krennic wears the black and white uniform. He just takes some liberties with the boots, trousers and the cape (Mainly because he's so insecure )
The old intelligence agencies were merged into the Ubiqtorate which falls under Imperial Intelligence.

It's a strange relationship with a lot of rivalry between I.I and I.S.B , but they still play nice (ISB gets to use II Deathtroopers etc.).

I'm ready!
I snapped a quick pic of @Alay's epaulette beta.

Hi everyone
 
Im currently already working on a non saga officer, for my next 501st costume, but after seeing the new Andor teaser, its got me really interested in also making an ISB uniform.
I have a quick question about this, as with the current "version 3" ISB costume from Rogue One, gloves are not an optional accesory, and I just wanted to ask if these photos from both the Andor trailer and prodcution shots, may shed any new light on this? 
Im only guessing here, but they appear to be wearing the same style uniform as the RO isb, with the code cylinders etc.  the tunics look white, again same as the RO version, but could be a trick of camera light.
there does seem to be some new rank bars as well , but only one variant, (5 blue squares) is clearly visable so far . 
 
any advice on this would be great, as I'd would be interested in making this costume. 
 
Thanks everyone,  
 

That's already happening several times a month. Sometimes members don't check CRLs and didn't notice something changed, or people who want to join buy used costumes that didn't match the current standard, or someone starts building a costume, then leaves the built and starts finishing it two years later without checking for changes. And I'm not talking about changes made days, but months or even years ago. There's no way we could provide enough information to forestall the worst-case applicant. And believe me, my GML-team and I tried. 
Also we already altered/grandfathered complete CRL in the past. We have two FO Generals in my Garrison, a CRL with a lifespan of hardly a year within our library. 
 
So to reject the Final Order Officer just because somewhere in the future an applicant could be revoked after the CRL changed is IMO nothing we should consider in the current decision.