Imperialrebel

So the tunic is just about altered and ready to go. I am planning to take photos in the next few days but I just wanted to check, do I need to submit the photos and CRL here or elsewhere? Its been so long since my first attempt and given I never got formal rejection the first time, I am not sure I went about it the right way. 

I am. Hopefully will get it done and get photos as soon as I get a couple of days break from work.

I am. Hopefully will get it done and get photos as soon as I get a couple of days break from work.

I am. Hopefully will get it done and get photos as soon as I get a couple of days break from work.

Bascially for want of a nail (or more specifically the lower 30 cm of the back of the tunic. I have no idea where this blanket 'missing the back' thing has come from that everyone keeps talking about. We have shots of the top part of the back from movie stills. We can see the seam across the shoulders) this is dead in the water. 

That's already happening several times a month. Sometimes members don't check CRLs and didn't notice something changed, or people who want to join buy used costumes that didn't match the current standard, or someone starts building a costume, then leaves the built and starts finishing it two years later without checking for changes. And I'm not talking about changes made days, but months or even years ago. There's no way we could provide enough information to forestall the worst-case applicant. And believe me, my GML-team and I tried. 
Also we already altered/grandfathered complete CRL in the past. We have two FO Generals in my Garrison, a CRL with a lifespan of hardly a year within our library. 
 
So to reject the Final Order Officer just because somewhere in the future an applicant could be revoked after the CRL changed is IMO nothing we should consider in the current decision. 

I've not been following this buid in close detail, can I just summarise why it was rejected to to see if I'm understanding it correctly?  The crl was rejected by the LMO because:
 
- The LMO team should have been involved sooner.
Except that the LMOs were involved from the very beginning of this thread and have commented consistently.
 
- The costume should not have been made before the LMO team had given the crl a green light.
Except that whenever new crls have been asked about in the past the standard response from Kris (an LMO) has always been "someone has to build it first".
 
- There aren't clear reference shots of the back
Except this has never been a requirement that is applied evenly and, according to the actual wording (shared above), is not so much a requirement as a preference.
 
Anything else I'm missing?

Can’t agree more. Being in the same garrison as the one who has been working on this costume, I was super excited for it and would have followed as soon as the crl was greenlit.

Now?

Well I guess I’m staying with my bridge crew as my ONLY IOC costume.

Disappointed in the lmo’s for this. Disappointed in the sheer ridiculous nature of the call.

@DarthAloha, I'm trying to parse this... I've been informed that the LMO team has been kicking around discussions about this costume for many weeks, if not longer.  Kris Kobus is on your LMO team and he was the one who started this very thread... he certainly knows every step that's happened along the way with this costume, having personally made recommendations to the applicant (as you can read in this very thread, again).  What sort of involvement was lacking, for this costume?
 
Or is this more in regards to other costumes, to be developed in the future?

Just going to add this to the thread, because @Hask posted some aurebesh earlier in the thread with reversed characters. (That was also before we had a lock on the actual text, too)
 
This is the correct Aurebesh for the arm band: ("STELS")

For thise asking about the back. Here are my screenshots. I managed to lighten the picture and there is 100% a seam across the back, around shoulder height. 
 

 
And heres mine
 

 
 

Ok, I'm going to start working on the CRL text, from this point forward.  Here are the most recent photos Steph posted, to use as a guide.  (These aren't submission photos, but will suffice for drafting purposes.
 


 
THIS TEXT IS PRELIMINARY.  I expect we will tweak a number of the points here, further.  Text in bold italics, in particular, may need work.  (And metric/imperial conversions will be added as needed, as usual)
 
Sith Eternal Officer CRL
 
Description: Sith Eternal / Final Order Officer
Prefix: ID
Detachment: Imperial Officer Corps
Context: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
Officers in the High Command of the Final Order, raised on the planet Exegol by the Sith Eternal—Sith cultists who revered the dark side of the Force and were devoted to the Sith religion. 
 
Hat, Sith Officer, Black
The front brim is a shiny black patent leather-like material. It is curved and does not obscure the wearer's eyes. The brim should attach to the hat body to present a smooth curve aligning with the back flap. The visible sides of the crown have an appearance of ribbed black leather, rubber, pleather, or similar material. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" tall. Hat is roughly cone shaped with a flat crown Front and rear ‘flaps’, and top of the crown, are of a black medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic. Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides, with the back flap's ends overlapping the front's where they attach to the body of the hat. Front flap is about .5" to 1" higher than the top of the crown, and crisp and smooth in appearance. The flap is vertical with a tilt outwards around the sides of the hat. Rear flap is vertical with a tilt outwards around the sides and back. Sith Code Disk is metal or metal appearance and is positioned at the center of the front vertical flap.  
Tunic
Fabric is a black, medium weight suiting, exactly matching the pants. The closure is at the centre front using a hidden zipper, enclosed by visible red material approx 3-5mm wide. There is red ribbon or similar across the chest from each side and angling down to meet in the center of the tunic, combining with the center closure to form a flattened Y shape approx 3-5mm wide, when worn. The sleeves are long and end at the wrist. The tunic is fitted to the body, with a shoulder yoke across the back. The tunic has a center seam in the back, reaching the yoke. There is no vent in the back of the tunic. A vertical dart on each side of the front may extend up from the waist under the belt, stopping approximately mid chest, if needed to accommodate body curvature. Rank band insignia is attached on the left arm approx 1/3 of the distance from the elbow to the wrist. A front V-shaped chest yoke is attached and extends up from directly above the red lines.  It is the same fabric as the tunic, with smooth, semi-rigid construction. The Chest Yoke follows the neck curvature and extends to cover the top of the shoulders with faux epaullettes atop the shoulder, and ending at the back of the epaullettes atop the shoulder. The Chest Yoke attaches in a seamless, flush, invisible manner.  
Level 2: The Tunic's yoke across the back shall intersect the arm-hole seams approximately 1/3 of the way down the arms, from the top. There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt.
  Level 3: There is a lining sewn in.  
Neck Seal
The Neck Seal shall have an appearance of ribbed black leather, rubber, pleather, or similar material. The Neck Seal is fitted to the wearer under the jacket, has horizontal ribs, and the ribbed material extends from the base of the neck to just under the chin, to conceal the entire neck.  
Chest Rank Bar
A plain metal rectangle with radiused half-circles on the long ends, approx 2 ½” long by ⅜" width and 1/8" thick. Bar is attached flush to the tunic by concealed means.  
Jodhpur Pants
Fabric is a black, medium weight suiting, exactly matching the tunic. Flared riding breeches have semi-stiff flares in the hip/thigh area, below the tunic and above the knee. Flares are sharply triangular in shape and fit snugly at the knee. Pockets and waist belts are acceptable, if not visible with the tunic on.  
Officer Boots, Sith Officer
Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material, with moderate to high-gloss shine. There are no stretch panels, snap tabs, or decoration, other than the adjustment buckle at the top, if present. Boot seams closely match screen-used boots. Soles are flat. If zippers are present, they are on the inner part of the boot shaft only.
  Level 2: Boots have an adjustment buckle at the top  
Belt, Sith Officer
The belt is constructed from a rubber or rubber like material with horizontal ribbing. Belt is approximately 2.5" to 3" in width, and should match the height of the belt buckle. There are no loops on the belt. Belt fits snugly over the natural waist of the wearer, covering the horizontal tunic seam, if present. The buckle is constructed from metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with rounded corners. Sith Code Disk is metal or metal appearance and is positioned at the center of the buckle.
  Level 2: Buckle has a satin finish, not brushed Corners are more rounded than Imperial Officer buckles from the original trilogy  
Gloves, Sith Officer, Black
Gloves are constructed of a non-textured, black leather or leather-like material. Gloves are have enclosed fingers, are fitted, and worn underneath the sleeves. Gloves are long enough to cover the wrist entirely. No visible buckles, straps, or ornamentation. Gloves may be plain or have three lines of stitching on the back of the hand.
  Level 2: Gloves have three lines of stitching on the back of the hand.  
Rank Insignia Band, Sith Officer
Worn on the left side of arm, above the wrist and below the elbow, approx 1/3 of the distance from the elbow to the wrist. Rank consists of one black band sewn down to the sleeve with raised red Aurebesh writing on it. The edges utilize piping or an embroidered line on each side. For the Captain rank, the Aurebesh spells “STELS". Additional rank options and corresponding Aurebesh shall be added as discovered from licensed sources. Both piping (if used) and embroidery (Aurabesh and lines) are red.  
 

Good effort Steph. That’s already better than what a lot of early crl attempts have been like on a few costumes over the years. One would HOPE that it’s enough to satisfy the lmo’s into green lighting the crl, and enough to silence the nay-sayers.

For thise asking about the back. Here are my screenshots. I managed to lighten the picture and there is 100% a seam across the back, around shoulder height. 
 

 
And heres mine
 

 
 

So here is my attempt at a CRL based on my costume. I tried to take the measurements out of it for the most part (Exept the belt buckle since mine was a re-purposed Imperial Buckle and matched the dementions on that CRL) Please let me know if I am on the right track. 
 
Sith Eternal Officer CRL
 
Description: Sith Etental/Final Order Officer
Prefix: ID
Detachment: Imperial Officer Corps
Context: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
Officers in the High Command of the Final Order, raised on the planet Exegol by the Sith Eternal—Sith cultists who revered the dark side of the Force and were devoted to the Sith religion. 
     
Hat, Sith Officer, Black
The front brim is a black leather-like material. It is curved and does not obscure the wearer's eyes.
Fabric of the crown is a ribbed black pleather
Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" tall.
Front and rear ‘flaps’ are of a black medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic.
Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides.
Front flap is about .5" higher than the rear flap. The flap is vertical with a tilt outwards around the sides of the hat.
Rear flap is vertical with a tilt outwards around the sides and back.
Sith Code Disk is positioned at the center of the front vertical flap.
Tunic
Fabric is a black, medium weight suiting, matching the pants.
The piping is a red 3-5mm binding.
The closure is at the centre front using an invisible zip and hook and bars, enclosed by the red piping.
The sleeves are long and end at the wrist.
The chest yoke is attached at the right shoulder and closes with hooks and bars. It is the same fabric as the tunic, and sits directly on the red piping.
The tunic is fitted to the body, with a shoulder yoke on the back. 
It has a waist seam beneath the belt, with vertical darts stopping mid chest.
Rank and insignia are attached on the left arm.
Neck Seal
Black horizontal ribs fitted to the wearer to conceal the entire neck. 
Neck Seal is fitted under the jacket and should reach under the chin.
Chest Rank Bar
A plain metal rectangle with radiused ends. 2 ½” long by ⅜ width. 
Bar is attached to the jacket by metal pins or magnets.
Jodhpur Pants
Fabric is a black, medium weight suiting, matching the tunic.
Flared riding breeches have semi-stiff flares in the hip/thigh area, below the tunic and above the knee.
Flare is triangular in shape and fits snugly at the knee.
Waist closure is a standard lap zipper, with hook and bar fixtures. This is concealed by the tunic.
 
Officer Boots, Sith Officer
Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material, with moderate to high-gloss shine.
There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration.
Boot seams closely match screen-used boots.
Soles are flat.
If zippers are present, they are on the inner part of the boot shaft only.
Boots are the same as First Order Officers boots
Belt, Sith Officer
The belt is constructed from a ribbed rubber or rubber like material.
Belt is approximately 2.5" to 3" in width.
There are no loops on the belt.
The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with rounded corners.
Buckle is adorned with a Sith Code Disk at the center.
Gloves, Sith Officer, Black
Gloves are constructed of a non-textured, black leather or leather-like material.
Enclosed fingers.
Gloves are gauntlet length, fitted, and worn underneath the sleeves.
No buckles, straps, etc.
Rank Insignia, Sith Officer
Worn on the left side of arm, above the wrist and below the elbow
Rank consists of one black band sewn down to the sleeve with Aurebesh embroidered on it. The edges utilize piping or an embroidered line on each side.
For Captain, the Aurebesh spells “Stem"
Both piping (if used) and embroidery (Aurabesh and lines) are red.

That's the right idea.  We'll probably have to tweak it a bit, especially as far as measurements and such are concerned.  (Too many numbers and GMLs start pulling out rulers and denying people over 1/8")  But it's a start!

hey Steph 
love the costume looks amazing 
Nice work 

So, I made a new hat with a slightly shorter brim and put everything together. 
I will need to tighten the belt but other than that, I think I am done
 

 
I am so please with how this came out.

Based on other Officer CRLs I read up on, I did a bit of a mock up for the Sith hat. Please let me know if I am on the right track here. (This is just based off my measurements and materials) If it works, I will start on the rest.
 
Hat, Sith Officer, Black
The front brim is a black leather-like material. It is curved and does not obscure the wearer's eyes.
Fabric of the crown is a ribbed black pleather which runs horizontal along the crown
Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall.
Front and rear ‘flaps’ are of a black medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic.
Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides.
Front flap is about 4.5” (114.3 mm) The flap is vertical with a tilt outwards around the sides of the hat.
Rear flap is about 4" (101.6 mm) The flap is vertical with a tilt outwards around the sides and back.
Sith Code Disk is positioned at the center of the front vertical flap.

I've already started going through my costume and trying to word it right for a CRL, if you would like me to post it here? 

Yup, you definitely want the belt to cover that horizontal seam.
 
Looks fantastic, though!  I'm going to get our CRL going over the wording as soon as possible.

So, I made a new hat with a slightly shorter brim and put everything together. 
I will need to tighten the belt but other than that, I think I am done
 

 
I am so please with how this came out.

So, I made a new hat with a slightly shorter brim and put everything together. 
I will need to tighten the belt but other than that, I think I am done
 

 
I am so please with how this came out.

So, I made a new hat with a slightly shorter brim and put everything together. 
I will need to tighten the belt but other than that, I think I am done
 

 
I am so please with how this came out.

Ask and you shell recieve 
 

 
Still need to get the right belt buckle and gloves, secure the rank sleeve and make the hat and the jacket badge but I feel like I am on the home stretch now. The Shark Pants are so derpy and I love them! (And yes, I am aware there is no neck seal in this picture. I forgot to put it on for the pic and now I can't be bothered retaking it)