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Belt boxes (Non-Saga style) - Dimensions are approximately 2 inches (50.8 mm) wide, 3 inches (76.2 mm) tall and 1 inch (25.4 mm) thick.
- All boxes must be the same size.
- Two boxes to be worn vertically, one each on either side of the belt buckle.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Belt boxes are made of metal.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): - Boxes may have a pill shaped detail in the top and bottom.
Belt boxes (Andor style) - Dimensions are approximately 1.77 inches (45 mm) wide, 2.64 inches (67 mm) tall and 1 inch (25.4 mm) thick.
- Two boxes to be worn vertically, one each on either side of the belt buckle.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Belt boxes give the appearance of metal.
- Corners have a “stepped 90-degree cutout” in the shape of a square on all four corners of the face of the box.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): - Boxes may have a pill shaped detail in the top and bottom.
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22 minutes ago, Detaleader said:
Again, do we know for sure *all* boxes have been metal on R1? How do we know that cast or printed boxes haven't been around from the start of the anthology projects?
That's a fair question. I don't think 3d printing was at the tipping point when R1 came out, but didn't Philo make those boxes for that movie? They do seem to look more metal like than the Andor boxes. Keeping in mind those decisions were made a while ago.
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So the corners and the square cutouts. For clarification, in Andor at a distance, the corners look rounded, but it's because of an exaggeration of those fold lines, likely to make casting them easier. See here on Lt Gorn. Hope that makes sense.
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4 hours ago, wolfietk said:
Thanks Josh! Always appreciate your expertise and clarity.
And I appriciate you folks asking the questions!
It may take a few weeks to push this through, so, in the meantime, if anyone has an issue getting approved because of the color, please reach out to me.
- TripleFett and Amy
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We called out materials because before Andor, all the boxes WERE metal and thus, making that a L2 thing.
We added in "resin" to generically note the Andor style boxes which were NOT metal, but painted castings.
So, we actually need to differentiate between metal anthology boxes, and non metal Andor boxes.
Thoughts on this take:
Belt boxes (Non-Saga style) -
Dimensions are approximately 2 inches (50.8 mm) wide, 3 inches (76.2 mm) tall and 1 inch (25.4 mm) thick.
- "Andor" style belt box dimensions are approximately 1.77 inches (45 mm) wide, 2.64 inches (67 mm) tall and 1 inch (25.4 mm) thick.
- Two to be worn vertically, one each on either side of the belt buckle.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - *Belt boxes are made of metal. "Andor" style belt boxes may be cast resin or 3D printed equilivant.
- **Non metal boxes should be painted silver to match screen references.
- **Non metal boxes have a “stepped 90-degree cutout” in the shape of a square on all four corners of the face of the box.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
*Boxes may have a pill shaped detail in the top and bottom.I know this is all Beehaz specific, but we do need to have a largert conversation about Belt Boxes.
We should also consider allowing 4 belt boxes for the security prefect. Do we want to open that to the big 3 or keep it to security officer?
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Dimensions are approximately 2 inches (50.8 mm) wide, 3 inches (76.2 mm) tall and 1 inch (25.4 mm) thick.
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There isn't any more difference in Andor tunics than any other tunics when compared with their movies.
ANH belts had unfinished edges and no grooves
ANH Tunics and anthology uniforms have longer skirts.
ESB and most of ROTJ have shorter skirts.
ANH and anthology have higher collars.For those reasons, there's no plans for an Andor specific CRL.
We just need to update the crl tro match what we added to Dedra's:
- OPTIONAL: White material may contain a very light gray tint (a cool white as opposed to a creamy warm white).
- Keep in mind ambient lighting has a dramatic effect on photographs, so a cool white tunic may appear to be warmer based on lighting.
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12 hours ago, Alay said:
Apologies for being such a sith head about this wording again @chicken45, but the way it reads currently seems like the pill shaped detail ONLY applies at level 2 if it's in resin.
If that's not the intention, I suggest adding that as a second bullet point, like this:
good call. I’ll adjust and move pill to L3. -
@kman see post above
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You should not have any issues getting the color of the tunic approved. The biggest thing we’ve seen was the collars being too tall. They should be under 2 inches for Meero and Partagaz, and most of the others seem to be around 1.5.
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Final review!!!!!!!!
Commandant Jayhold Beehaz 
Model ID-xxx, Photo by name 
Description: Commandant Jayhold Beehaz
Prefix: ID
Detachment: Imperial Officer Corps
Context: 'Andor'
Jayhold Beehaz was an Imperial Military officer who served the Galactic Empire as the commandant of the Aldhani Garrison, headquartered on the Aldhani dam and Alkenzi Air Base on the planet Aldhani. Version One is the "standard" version which is different from other Imperial tunics. Version Two adds ceremonial accessories to the base uniform to be used for formal occasions.For 501st membership only the requirements in black need to be met.
The Imperial Officer Corp Detachment defines additional, optional levels of costuming excellence. In the page below, items listed in blue are optional features that will improve the quality of the costume. Items listed in red are intended to further enhance the finished costume. Please visit the Detachment website for more specific details.
This CRL is a work in progress and is not yet ready to use for any approval!
Required Costume Components The following costume components are present and appear as described below.
Hair and appearance - Hair is dark and graying and runs to the neck, visible under the hat.
- Beard is of the "goatee" style. Beard hair is dark in color and graying.
- No visible scars.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Facial appearance and hair match very closely to that of Stanley Townsend.
Hat, Olive, Version One - Hat is OPTIONAL but only if a specific referenced licensed character’s typical uniform configuration is copied in full, and does not typically include a hat.
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Fabric is a medium weight suiting material, exactly matching the tunic and trousers.
- Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
- Color matches the tunic and trousers.
- Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall.
- Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides, with the back flap over the front, and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high.
- Front bill extends about 3" down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches.
- Imperial Code Disk positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Code disk has NO notch in it on the outermost disk.
Ceremonial Hat, Olive with Black Visor, Version Two -
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material, exactly matching the tunic and trousers.
- Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
- Color matches the tunic and trousers.
- Fabric of the visor is leather or leather-like with matte shine.
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A band with a silver military trim runs across the front of the hat and is approximately 0.39" (10 mm) to 0.59" (15 mm) wide.
- The band is hidden by the rear flap at the back of the head.
- The color of the trim matches the Gala belt/sash trim
- Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall.
- Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides, with the back flap over the front, and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high.
- Front bill extends about 3" down, decorated with (5) concentric stitches.
- Imperial Code Disk positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Code disk has NO notch in it on the outermost disk.
Tunic, Olive with Black -
Fabric is a medium weight Olive/Field grey colored suiting material matching the trousers (and hat, if present).
- Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
- The most accurate color is“Feldgrau¨, or “Field grey”, which is a greenish-gray color, close to Olive.
- Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke.
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Yoke comes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam.
- The standing collar has square corners, is between 1.25" (31.8 mm) to 2" tall, and closes snugly.
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The wearer's neck must not be visible between the closed collar edges.
- A modesty panel behind the collar closure is recommended to help with this, but is not required.
- Collar edges are closed together in front with two eye hooks.
- There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket, from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.
- Tunic has long sleeves which are without decoration, cuffs or buttons.
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Sleeves contain 2 seams.
- One along the bottom and one along the back.
- Tunic is constructed with no top-stitching (stitches visible on the exterior surface of fabric).
- Fasteners on the uniform should not be visible.
- Uniform is to be pressed and free of a wrinkled appearance.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - There is a dart in the top center of the tunic; this dart is between 2 inches (50.8mm) and 3 inches (76.2mm in length.
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There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a seam line which should be hidden by the uniform belt.
- The front placket of the tunic may omit this seam only if the uniform belt is worn in a manner which conceals the omission.
- Belt hooks are present.
- The back of the tunic has princess seams that run vertically and turn outward to intersect the arm-hole seam at the vertical center.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): - Tunic is secured on the right side by snaps or buttons, not Velcro.
- A lining is sewn in.
Ceremonial Cape, Version Two - Fabric is a medium weight water resistant material with structure such as heavy canvas, wool, or similar.
- Light grey seams are visible.
- A single seam is running around the whole cloak, 4 cm from the edge.
- The back of the cloak reaches from the shoulders to the ankle of the boots.
- The front of the cloak reaches from the shoulders to the wrists.
- Cloak has a collar that is approximately 4-5 cm tall, with no split in the middle.
- Attached to the collar are two rectangular matte silver rank bars, a thin edge running around.
- Two double seams running across the shoulder wedge.
- The front panel of the yoke does not have seams and is around 1 - 1.5 cm wide in the middle.
- The back panel of the yoke has a seam running around, 4 cm from the edge, no other seams.
- Cloak closes from left to right up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam including the collar.
- Curved silver matte rank bars attached to the shoulders, a thin edge running around. No fixation visible.
- The back of the cloak is divided in the middle by an inverted pleat, starting at the edge of the yoke. An additional pleat is added left and right of the middle, the pleated section between 25-30 % wide in comparison to the yoke edge.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Cape collar edge must lie flush to tunic collar edge.
- Collar is made from plain black material.
Rank Bar - Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a single or metal looking bar.
- Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart, aligned with the code cylinder pocket.
- The bar is approximately 1 inch (25.4 mm) to 1.25 inches (31.75 mm) in height.
- Rank bar is four blue tiles and two red tiles.
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Rank tile dimensions and spacing are appropriate and proportional to the sizing of the bar to allow for even spacing from each other and the border of the bar:
- Rogue One/Solo/Andor style rank tile dimensions are approximately 0.59 inches (15 mm) wide, 0.82 inches (21 mm) tall, and 0.12 inches (3.2 mm) deep.
- Rank bar corners are a hard 90 degree angle, or slightly rounded.
- Rank tiles are translucent, rectangular, positioned side by side in a vertical orientation, and evenly spaced.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Rank consists of colored plastic push buttons (with white to off white insert) mounted on a metal bar.
- Rank tiles are the Rogue One/Solo/Andor larger size, approximately 0.59 inches (15 mm) wide, 0.82 inches (21 mm) tall, and 0.12 inches (3.2 mm) deep.
Code Cylinders - Two Code cylinders are worn on the uniform.
- Dosimeter has a brass clip and blue top.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Only real or replica dosimeters are used.
Belt, Version One - The belt is constructed from a black, non-textured, leather, or a leather-like material.
- Approximately 2 inches (50.8 mm) in width, up to 2.5 inches (63.5 mm) is acceptable.
- There are no loops on the belt.
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A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1 inch (25.4 mm) from the buckle.
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The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the buckle.
- It is preferred to wear the snap to the left of the wearer, unless emulating a specific licensed character.
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The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the buckle.
- The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
- The buckle size is approximately 2.6250 inches (66.7 mm) high and 4.1250 inches (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5 inches (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.
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Buckle is adorned with an un-notched Imperial Code Disk at the center.
- Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Belt is made of leather.
- Belt has a groove at the top and bottom edge along the length of the belt.
- Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.
Ceremonial Belt and Sash, Version Two - The belt is constructed from a black, non-textured, leather, or a leather-like material.
- Approximately 2 inches (50.8 mm) in width, up to 2.5 inches (63.5 mm) is acceptable.
- There are no loops on the belt.
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A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1 inch (25.4 mm) from the buckle.
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The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the buckle.
- It is preferred to wear the snap to the left of the wearer, unless emulating a specific licensed character.
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The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the buckle.
- The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
- The buckle size is approximately 2.6250 inches (66.7 mm) high and 4.1250 inches (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5 inches (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.
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Buckle is adorned with an un-notched Imperial Code Disk at the center.
- Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Belt is made of leather.
- Belt has a groove at the top and bottom edge along the length of the belt.
- Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.
Belt boxes (Non-Saga style) -
Dimensions are approximately 2 inches (50.8 mm) wide, 3 inches (76.2 mm) tall and 1 inch (25.4 mm) thick.
- "Andor" style belt box dimensions are approximately 1.77 inches (45 mm) wide, 2.64 inches (67 mm) tall and 1 inch (25.4 mm) thick.
- Two boxes to be worn vertically, one each on either side of the belt buckle.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): -
Belt boxes are made of metal or cast resin.
- If resin ("Andor" style), they should be painted a gunmetal gray color. Corners have a “stepped 90-degree cutout” in the shape of a square on all four corners of the face of the box. Boxes should have a pill shaped detail in the top and bottom.
Jodhpur Trousers, Olive -
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic.
- Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
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Version One trousers are flared riding breeches, with semi-stiff flares to the hip/thigh area.
- Breeches are worn with boots.
- Breeches are neatly pressed or ironed without creases.
- Pockets are acceptable, although must not be visible with the tunic on.
Boots - Knee-high, black, riding style, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material.
- There are no buckles, snap tabs or decoration.
- Boots have conservative heels.
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A single stretch panel or zipper may be present, they are to be hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft.
- Not visible from the front, side or back.
- The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Boots are made of leather and have no zippers.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): - Original German marching boots or authentic replication.
- Boots have a top adjustment strap on the outside of the boots.
- Boots to have a flat top.
- The straps are set slightly to the rear with the tabs facing the rear.
Optional Accessories Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use.
Gloves - Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a smooth, non-textured leather or leather-like material.
- Enclosed fingers.
- No buckles, straps, etc.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Gloves have a plain back and no visible adornments.
- Gloves made of leather.
- Gloves end just past the wrist.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): -
Gloves have a notch centered in the edge below the palm.
- Slit may be straight or rounded.
Pelts - Real or replica of an animal pelt
Caf Tumbler - Black in color with a stainless steel ring around the top.
- The outside walls have two recessed areas.
- Cup is no taller than 6.5 inches, and no wider at the base then 2.6 inches.
- A strip with the appearance of silver metal is centered inside one of the recessed areas (but not both) and covers any etched markings on the mug.
- The strip is .5 inches wide, with a maximum height of 4 inches.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - The metal strip is three dimensional automotive trim (or similar) and not tape.
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@Angelus! Are you ready to submit this?
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1 minute ago, Ammonites said:
@chicken45 thanks for all the research you guys did! It’s the little things that help, I’ll be ordering a couple of these
Caf is serius bizniss.
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I can pull for more screenshots, but the way the wind is blowing, we allow both OT and non saga gauntlets for basic approval, and the split version for L3 (like we have for the non saga grew and INTs).
The ANH Staff Officer allows gauntlets so, they are already floating around out there anyways.
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This Kenobi Broh got gauntlets.
Proposing the same as non saga crew.
Black Gauntlet Gloves - Black, leather or leather-like, enclosed fingered, non-textured, fitted gauntlet style.
- No buckles, straps, or decorative stitching are permitted.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Gloves are made of leather.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): - Gloves have a split that runs from the wrist to the arm opening. The split is bridged with the same leather material as the gloves.
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Circling back on this.
Is there anything actionable for me to update? -
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Untitled by josh_surkosky, on Flickr
So on my tunic here...5 inches. I put in that extra inch for wiggle room because I know there's folks out there bigger than me.
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@kman sorry...it looks like the emails between the LMO and us were getting bounced. Here's the recap.
In short, newer (RO to Andor) uniforms use longer darts, and the darts should be as long as they need to be. I happen to know a giant man in Ohio who is doing an officer uniform and want to make sure he looks fly! (It's Marcus)
Charles posted screenshots of of Partagaz and Wullfie that show the dart being longer than 3 inches.
I went into the weeds with this and did some more research.Malcolm Sinclair (Yularen) is 6 foot 2. His dart extends about an inch below the top of the code pocket and almost inline with the bottom of his rank.Anton Lesser (Partagaz) is 5 foot 5. His dart also extends an inch below his pocket. Are the same length? Nope.By contrast, here is me. I am also 6 foot 2. This is what I look like with a 3 inch dart.Look at the bunching. THIS is what we are trying to fix and clarify.Let's look at some more officers and their darts.Remember- current language in most of the CRLs say "between 2 to 3 inches".Petigar (Andor)Dart ends 1.5-2 inches BELOW the code cyl pocket.Munbrin (from Solo)Ends right at the pocket.PuntaExtends past the pocket.Moff Jerjerrod (ROTJ)His dart extends at least an inch below his rank bar.TarkinHe's 6 foot, but thin. In ANH, his dart ends above his pockets.In Rogue One, it extends below the top of the pocket.Ends an inch above the pocket. -
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Bringing closure to this:
We made the change to ISB Supervisors and Dedra:
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
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There is a dart present on the top center of the yoke.
- The dart may vary in size due to the size of the wearer's individual tunic and how it fits, but should be between 2 to 6 inches (50.5mm to 152.4mm) in length. Typically, but not always, the dart ends at or below the top of the code cylinder pocket.
We will update the black and olives shortly once they are unlocked.
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There is a dart present on the top center of the yoke.
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Updated! We can close this out.
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I am putting in for this addition tonight!