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Our intention is to separate the version 3 into the Non saga ISB officer uniform.

We did that with the security services and the green military uniform this past year.  We were holding off on Andor given the dirth of new information we would get... and here it is.  By all means please start with your builds, but bear in mind to document what you have and the references.

I think it can be inferred from what we have already seen that the trench coat is the same as the black and green trench coats, except this one is white for ISB officers.

as for the ranks... ALL are possible already given the edit we did for level 3.  The above guy is a naval captain in the ISB.  We should not have to wait for a CRL change when such ranks are already predicted for us.

@Imperialrebel we have returned and are back on station.  We will be working with what you have presented to formally send to the LMO office.

@Imperialrebel we have returned and are back on station.  We will be working with what you have presented to formally send to the LMO office.

Great to hear thanks,
 
Im currently drawing up a pattern for my tunic and jodphurs, so hopefully I can start posting some WIP pics soon. 
Also having someone make me a prototype pair of the metal shoulder epaulettes, featured on the captains uniform, which I will be happy to share, to help with reference photos.  Hopefully we will get some more reference pics in the future, regarding the trenchcoats when more Andor footage is relased.  
 
will be exciting to see this progress. 
 

Our intention is to separate the version 3 into the Non saga ISB officer uniform.

We did that with the security services and the green military uniform this past year.  We were holding off on Andor given the dirth of new information we would get... and here it is.  By all means please start with your builds, but bear in mind to document what you have and the references.

I think it can be inferred from what we have already seen that the trench coat is the same as the black and green trench coats, except this one is white for ISB officers.

as for the ranks... ALL are possible already given the edit we did for level 3.  The above guy is a naval captain in the ISB.  We should not have to wait for a CRL change when such ranks are already predicted for us.

Just a quick update. I have seen that Rampart has been given a weapon in the new trailer. I am going to print it this week and I'll give you some progress pictures somewhere this week and do some research as well regarding the CRL creation process.

So since I am not at Celebration (jealous of you all but since I am on the other side of the world, its tricky to get there) I did the alterations as agreed. I have changed nothing else except the seams on the back. Here are my new photos.
 
Close up of the Back

 
Front

 
Back

 
Left Side

 
Right Side

 
Action

 

We will convey this to @Imperialrebel right away.  Thank you.

I visit Los Angeles regularly (pre-pandemic).  When I do, a number of friends and I get into uniform and have a drink at the Scum and Villainy Bar in Hollywood.

If you are in the area Monday, May 23rd, 6PM Pacific Time please join me (in uniform) and we would be glad to see you.

This is NOT a legion function.  Just a gathering of friends before the start of the convention week.
 
6363 Hollywood Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90028
 

 

I am going to formally request that this costume be allowed to be built by the LMO office.  I assume we are not that far away from a completion and should have  CRL this year.

I have submitted this to the LMO to be approved for construction.  We should have their response in a week's time or sooner.

The photoshoot will occur Saturday May 28th at 10:30 AM at the stairs of the convention center.

This will be 90 minutes after the full legion group photoshoot.
 

there is actually a discussion underway with the LMOs over shared materials with other detachments.  I know that JRS has deviated some from what we had, but these SHOULD be the same items used repeatedly.  I'll let you know what we fight out.  We just started talks with @stormtrooperguy recently.

You can be polite and say "Thank you ma'am, we took care of those Jedi".

I will remember that for next time! Always polite though.

We are clear to proceed, but before we request the CRL Wiki be unlocked I'll see if I can get someone to photoshop these imaged in preparation for uploading.

Hello! Since there was an available record of Grand Admiral Rae Sloane being accepted as a NTTL a few years back, we have decided that it would not be needed to have another LMO poll for a costume that was already considered a right fit for the IOC.

As all of the available images of Grand Admiral Sloane's uniform share the same features as the Star Wars Rebels uniform of Admiral Thrawn (https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:ID_Thrawn_rebels) we would think it best that the same parts on this costume match the existing text, references and items that are currently being used by the Thrawn CRL.

I look forward to seeing your build!

I have submitted this to the LMOs and we will see what they say.  Normally it takes them a week to get back with an answer.
 
 

Thank you! 

https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:ID_isb#Version Three

The change has been made for version 3 of the ISB costume.  The wording for rank bars is the same as that of what we allow for the security services and the imperial military officer, which is:

Color, quantity, and combinations of the tiles/bars are determined by rank, and are appropriate to uniform type/color as supported by licensed reference.

This allows members to wear the ranks they want to do provided they can back it with reference, regardless of where the licensed reference comes from.

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence allowing this above in this thread and this should have been done years ago.

Eventually, we will separate out the version three of this costume as a "non saga version".  That way we preserve the original trilogy version and allow for all of the accessories that we will see with it in the upcoming Andor series on Disney Plus.

 

I would like for the ONLY difference for the components of this costume is that the tunic is cream colored... other than that, I would want it to be the same as the security services word for word.

@DirectorEdward I think some of those you posted are fan art.  We need to reference things specifically from licensed sources and cite it when possible.

The FIRST thing we can do is get it permitted to allow a much broader number of ranks.  We can solicit that change and secure it as fast as the LMO team can read this post.

The creation of a new CLR that separates out the Non saga ISB and allows all the ranks can follow.  There is more than enough evidence for it.

What I will post here will be examples of the different rank badges over the years and their sources.
 
I'll post what I can here and list it.
 
 
This is the actor who played Inspector General Jeems in the deleted scenes of Rogue One.  He has the rank of an army captain on his uniform.
 
 
 
These were posted on his private Twitter account.  He is the only live action ISB officer to this point in the Disney era.
https://twitter.com/jamiebeamish/status/1389563101092237312?s=20&t=qgjPmAcohdGJww00sI7sYQ
 
Double rank bars have been seen in the Dark Horse comics such as "Agent of the Empire"
 
and in recent Marvel comics both as single rank bars.
 
and double rank bars.
 
 
They were seen in the game Star Wars Squadrons.  This ISB officer was an objective for the pilots to save.
 
They have been Fleet Admirals in the game Battlefront 2.
 
They have been Lieutenants to be found in reference guides (this one here is from The Rebels Files).
 
They are the principle bad guy in Young adult star wars novels.  This one here is Smuggler's Run.

There are several officers of different ranks to be found in the Fantasy Flight Games sourcebooks.
 
The ISB was first mentioned in the Imperial Sourcebook from West End Games in 1989.

The first time the costume was identified was in the Decipher Star Wars Customizable Card game in 1995.

The only two cards showing officers in this uniform are:
 

Colonel Yularen
 

Officer Evax... which is a photoshop created to make this card, but much of the lore we hold in the legion is based off of this card game that ran from 1995 to 2001.

I think version three of the existing CRL should be allowed to have any rank permissible as long as it is not a moff, Grand moff, grand admiral  and any combination of blue and red.

We have seen double stacked lieutenants, captains, colonels and admirals.

We have seen single stacked captains, commanders, majors, colonels, commodores.

Just like the staff and line officer CRL and the Security services and Non saga military uniforms that have broad latitudes, the same latitude should be extended to this costume based on the vast wealth of resources showing many different permissible ranks.

After this is granted, work should begin on the ISB non saga CRL of which there is already many candidates.  This will be a separation of the version three from the Version 1 and 2 of the existing ISB CRL.  This will be much like what was done for the Security services and imperial military non saga CRLs.  We may make the wording of the parts of the CRL the same as that of the security services because it is the same as that CRL other than the cream colored tunic.
 
 

I would like for the ONLY difference for the components of this costume is that the tunic is cream colored... other than that, I would want it to be the same as the security services word for word.

I would also recommend keeping the draft in line with the other non-saga costumes.
Items which are the same should have the same text if appropriate.
 

I'll post as many references as I can this weekend.

I would not mind seeing the version three and a straight pants version stand along as a non saga ISB to be in line with our security services and military uniforms.  it would complete the set of the available uniforms for the new Disney era costumes.