buckrogersbarker

Hey folks! Since the thread for the Non Saga Crew has been moved to completed, I figured now would be a good time to create a new thread to discuss potential updates. Wouldn't want to have these things fade into obscurity
 
Here's a list of things mentioned on the previous thread: 
 
- Compad
-> Replace images of OT TIE compads with IGC compad. Change compad to be mandatory component, unless we find evidence, that they shouldn't be mandatory. 
-> If more evidence is found we could add the compad style seen on Yort Cavwol. 
-> I feel like it might be worth discussing r1 TIE compads should be permitted. I haven't been able to find evidence for them being used for the Crewman. 
 
- Flight Suit 
-> Flap on the back of the suit (Level 3?)
-> Nylon Strapping on the top of the com cylinder sleeves may be permitted for L1, but should not be there for L2/3 
-> Remove padding in shoulders for L2/3 
 
In my opinion, reusing the R1 TIE suit for L2/3 should likely not be possible. The suits are different enough to the point where a mere zipper swap is likely not gonna cut it. 
 
- Gloves -> Find evidence that gauntlets are suitable. If not, remove gauntlets. Add shorter officer style gloves, optionally three lines on hand(?) 
 
- Boots -> Remove "buckle/strap" requirement, as we have multiple screen used instances of boots with no Buckles being used.
 
- Optional headset? -> If somebody gets around to building one 
 
Link to previous thread, where some additional images and info has been posted. 
 
I know some of the updates concern optional accessories. However, imo that shouldn't be a reason to have people grab wrong things or have wrong images around for what is effectively a costume guideline for many people.  
 

Good to see you Simon.

Now that you are cleared, you can do two things.

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Join the officer's mess here.
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Two:
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Hi all,
 
Added Imperial Security Services Officer to my collection, cleared with the UK Garrsion.

"We would be honored if you would join us."
 
Date and Time: Thursday, April 6, 2023 from 7-9:30 PM local Location: Sky Garden London (map), 36th floor, at the City Garden bar. Cost: £45, covers one selected drink and appetizers Maximum number of guests: 90.  Sign-ups are closed.  Facebook event link: https://fb.me/e/2mCgyAgDC. RSVPs via the Google Form are required, we are not using Facebook for attendance.   
Update 27 March
The venue has a time limit for large groups and so the event is from 7-9:30 pm.
The City Garden bar is on the 36th floor.
 
Tickets include an assortment of appetizers and one selected drink with your entry. Attendees may purchase additional food and drink.
There is also a short presentation.

Ok...back at my desk. 
I think it is clear that a one size fits all trenchcoat solution will not work. 
We should keep the existing coats the same, and make new ones. 
We don't have to try to fit the square peg into round hole. 
 
 
You'll see:
TRENCHCOAT, ROGUE ONE VERSION
TRENCHCOAT, KENOBI VERSION (not a lot of good references...but I think this is different from R1 when compared to the Visual Dictionary pics)
TRENCHCOAT, WHITE, ANDOR VERSION, MALE (pocket flaps point inwards, no visible pocket stitching)
TRENCHCOAT, WHITE, ANDOR VERSION, FEMALE (same as male version but has a different front cut)
TRENCHCOAT, OLIVE, ANDOR VERSION (pocket flaps point outwards and have visible pocket stitching.
 
So, this means you can tell Maz "Just make the Andor coat like it looks on screen".
 

Hi there, I just read on FB that the official officer photo is planned for Thursday April 6th at 5PM local time and I'm wondering why something like this is planned on a day, when SWC didnt even start and most of the people are still travelling to London. Can this please be changed to Friday or Saturday? 
 
Update: Already updated to Friday, forget my request. Thank you very much for the change of date. Looking forward to meet the other officers and having a great party afterwards at the bash.

we are going to do all we can to make contact and develop a relationship with the costume makers.  Maybe get a pantone number.  The exact color should not be a level 1 because people find different fabrics in all parts of the world.  We would lose maybe 60% of the currently approved line officers if we instituted anything so rigid (the cosplay skys are a very lime green).

We are reaching out now to see if we can make contact with them.

PLOT TWIST:
 
WE HAVE A TRENCH COAT!
Here is the updated text:
 

Trenchcoat Made of a medium-weight waterproof fabric that is light khaki in color. Two flares at the breast overlap and close in the front, right breast over left. The collar continues around the neck and is approximately 3.5 inches wide. A real, or decorative pocket is present on the left breast. A seam runs down the arm on the outside, it begins at the costumer's collar. Two inch long cuffed sleeves with a single button towards the end of the cuff. The cuff "strap" ends in a chevron shape. <---edit I am removing this On the back the storm shield has a pinch pleat at the top center of the shoulders. The coat ends mid-calf and is straight cut along the bottom edge. The coat below the belt has a split seam in the back. The right side of the coat squares off below the belt and angles outwards. Two vertical pockets appear at the costumer's hip. Pockets are vertical and covered with a chevron shaped flap. The coat below the belt has a split seam in the back. The coat is worn with a belt. Two belt boxes are worn unless a holster is present.

just received word minutes ago that the LMO has approved this costume to move forward.  We look forward to the constructions we see here.

Hello- This is Francesco's drawing for the Obi-Wan Kenobi coat. Will this work? It has the (optional) pockets, the pocket stitching detail, and the breast pocket. - Diana

Hi all,
 
My friend got me a Commander rank bar for my 40th birthday (wohoo ,midlife crisis) but I am not sure if this is the correct one for a line officer.. Can anyone confirm for me?

I had him link me the seller: https://www.etsy.com/listing/1287372615/imperial-officer-rank-bar-set?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_c-clothing-other&utm_custom1=_k_Cj0KCQiAq5meBhCyARIsAJrtdr5i0oaenMhVytiU5D_i2TAw_rdOHVrhxOQV1Bh-hmw3Uq4QBLQUQzEaAiQOEALw_wcB_k_&utm_content=go_12573357794_118348091414_507798592503_aud-1408996296215:pla-297616371983_c__1287372615_12768591&utm_custom2=12573357794&gclid=Cj0KCQiAq5meBhCyARIsAJrtdr5i0oaenMhVytiU5D_i2TAw_rdOHVrhxOQV1Bh-hmw3Uq4QBLQUQzEaAiQOEALw_wcB
 
 

The real world uniform in the photo above is from Revenge of the Sith.  There are several photos of members with different ranks in the book Costuming A Galaxy.

I am not going to tell you how to do it or where to place the seams.  I could bring in several tailors to work with you to discuss it if you want.  This is the major issue with animated uniforms.  All these seams really break down the pattern into smaller parts.  If sized correctly the parts will make the uniform conform to your body in a fit manner.  That is how a well tailored uniform or suit is made.  They don't have this issue in animation because it is just an animation.  In the real world, without all of these seams, most cloth would look like a bag hanging off of a person.

That is why "darts" are used.  Darts are tucks sewed in uniforms to pull it in at the waist.  Not ever uniform has the, but they are seen in references of some officers.

That said, you do NOT have to follow the examples set by other animated CRLs.

Bring your references and when you inevitably have to make a decision you can't find on the model, let us know.  If it is a tailoring issue we will likely let it pass.  Because that is the reality of how translating animation to real life works.  Make your decisions and stick to your references as best you can and let us see what you are doing.

But FIRST.  Put all of your references here.  Once we have enough, let me know and I'll have the LMOs come in to bless this to proceed.  Then it is just a matter of you making the costume and we helping to write the CRL.

Updated!
I need the TKID of the model and the photographer name. Also need someone to write a description. 
That's all I need!!
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.501st.com/include/images/crlblackhd.gif   Imperial Military Officer: Rebels Model MODEL NAME, Photo by PHOTOGRAPHER NAME    
Description: Description
Prefix: COSTUME DESIGNATION
Detachment: Imperial Officer Corps
Context: Rebels
CHARACTER DESCRIPTION
   
This CRL is a work in progress and is not yet ready to use for any approval!
  Required Costume Components The following costume components are present and appear as described below.
   
Hat, Olive, Rebels Style Hat is OPTIONAL but only if a specific referenced licensed character’s typical uniform configuration is copied in full, and does not typically include a hat. Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic and pants. Color matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall. Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high. Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches. Imperial Code Disk positioned in the center of the front vertical "flap." Code Disk exactly matches Rebels style disc  
 
Tunic, Olive Fabric is a medium weight Olive/Field grey colored suiting material matching the trousers (and hat, if present). Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. Yoke comes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam. The standing collar has square corners, is between 1.25" (31.8 mm) to 2" tall, and closes snugly. The wearer's neck must not be visible between the closed collar edges. A modesty panel behind the collar closure is recommended to help with this, but is not required. Collar edges are closed together in front with two eye hooks. There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket, from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole. A central seam runs down the back of the tunic, with no princess seams. Tunic has long sleeves which are without decoration, cuffs or buttons. Tunic is constructed with no top-stitching (stitches visible on the exterior surface of fabric). Fasteners on the uniform should not be visible. Uniform is to be pressed and free of a wrinkled appearance.    
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Sleeve may contain one seam on the inner arm  
   
Trousers Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic. Trousers are flared riding breeches, with semi-stiff flares to the hip/thigh area. Breeches are worn with boots. Breeches are neatly pressed or ironed without creases. The flares on the jodhpurs mimic the shape of Rebels officer’s flares Pockets are acceptable, although must not be visible with the tunic on.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
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Officer Boots Knee-high, black, riding style, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material. Boots have conservative heels. A single stretch panel or zipper may be present, they are to be hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft. Not visible from the front, side or back. The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style. A small V-shaped notch may be present on the back of the boots top. Boots may have a top adjustment strap on the outside of the boots with a flap attached to the rear seam of the boots. Buckle is attached to the front of the rear flap. Boots may have a zipper.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Boots have a flat top, not Spanish style. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Boots are made of leather. Not vinyl or PVC. Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.  
   
Rank Bar Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart. Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on metal or metal looking bar. Each bar is approximately 1" (25.4 mm) height. Top bar has a small radius on the top right and left corner. Bottom bar has a small radius on the bottom right and left corner.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Rank bar is one strip with four rounded corners NOT two separate bars as with OT rank bars; tiles are opaque.  
   
Code Cylinders, Rebels Two Code Cylinders are worn. Modified Silver "chalk holder" tube with a short clip and blue top. Dosimeter Style: True Dosimeter with correct clip and Blue top is also acceptable. Clip is silver in color.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Must be Rebels style code cylinder with correct Rebels style clip and blue caps.  
   
 
Belt The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) and 3" (76.2 mm) wide. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible to the left of the buckle, snap may be raised to a semi conical shape. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. Buckle is adorned with a Rebel’s Era Imperial Code Disk off centered at the top.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Belt does not have grooves. Belt is made of leather.  
   
Optional Accessories Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use.
 
Chimaera Patch Worn on the left arm.  
 
 
Belt boxes (Non-Saga style) Dimensions are approximately 2 inches (50.8 mm) wide, 3 inches (76.2 mm) tall and 1 inch (25.4 mm) thick. Two boxes to be worn vertically, one each on either side of the belt buckle.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Belt boxes are made of metal or cast resin. If resin, corners have a “stepped 90-degree cutout” in the shape of a square on all four corners of the face of the box.  
   
Gloves Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a non-textured leather or leather-like material. Enclosed fingers. No buckles, straps, or other decoration.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Gloves extend past the wearer's wrist several inches, covering the forearm while reaching or bending the arm.  
   
Colored contact lenses Colored contact lenses must be worn if required to accurately portray an alien character’s inhuman eye coloring. Contacts giving the appearance of any natural human eye color may be worn to emulate a specific officer's configuration, if desired. All persons utilizing contact lenses are encouraged to first see their optometrist for a fitting.  
 
Holster Made of black leather or leather-like material.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Holster is affixed via a single loop over the belt. Holster is made of leather.  
   
SE-14R Light Repeating Blaster The barrel detailing is evident with the cocking lever and slider in place. The ejection port is also evident. The scope mount looks similar to the magazine but smaller in size. The scope does not protrude past the blaster body.

Thanks!
We should lock this thread or merge it, possibly. @buckrogersbarker

Hi it's meeeee again! Lol
 
I have conferred with one of our GMLs and he seems to concur with my analysis so I wanted to throw this out to the peanut gallery.
 
I think I've come to the conclusion that the ISB officer boots are almost exactly like the Krennic boots, but with the inside invisible zipper, as @Barkydog1 has pointed out in reference. So, they have that back seam, the quarter-circular flap on the back, and the strap on the side, like Krennic's boots, but also the invisible zipper on the inside of the boot.

I think I got a pretty good reference of the back of the boot, considering how wide the shots are that show the boots in detail.
 

 
What do y'all think? I am thinking I'm going to order the Krennic boots from CrowProps with the inside invisible zipper modification.

New Level 1 approved avatar.
 
I'll be submitting for Executor soon.

I was interviewed today by a local TV station for their afternoon newscast.  I think that it went very well.
 
We also need to change the CRL.  The Staff Officer is now in the First Order. 
 
https://www.wdtv.com/2023/01/05/first-4-forum-matt-schraeder/

Absolutely! Tier 1 CRLs have gotten pretty ridiculous in some places. Gatekeeping is one thing that gives the Legion a bad rap in the larger costuming community.
 
It's my opinion that Tier 1 could use any kind of riding boot, but for higher tiers, you need a flat top boot. Maybe the strap and inner zipper required for Tier 3. Basic low, blonde military bun for Tier 1, but details like the style of bun and hair net for higher tiers. A wider range of shades of white for Tier 1, more specific for Tier 2-3. We just seem to have differing opinions on what the "correct" shade of white is for higher tiers. Haha. Personally, I think the idea of a range of cool white to very very light dove gray white for higher tiers, and a wider range of white tones for basic could be a good compromise.

My general thoughts on levels 1 through 3 are that 1 should be accessible for those that want to do the costume.  With higher levels something that can be worked on over years if they want to keep striving to get that level of accuracy.  

There has been a lot of pulling level 3 details down to level 1 over the years in the legion.  This does more to dissuade people from joining.  I am a firm believer that costume excellence should be incentivized, not gatekept. 

I also suggest looking at the CRLs for the other similar uniforms:  Imperial Military Non-saga, Security Services Non Saga, and the ISB Non Saga to see where we place what is level 2 and level 3.  We are not bound by precedent, but we try to keep these ships flying in formation with one another.

can't wait to see

My Tailor and I will create this costume based on the republic officer CRL just in a different color now. We decided on the Fabric number 6 as it suits the overall texture the uniform should have the best.
 
I will post again when we have the first draft done.

My general thoughts on levels 1 through 3 are that 1 should be accessible for those that want to do the costume.  With higher levels something that can be worked on over years if they want to keep striving to get that level of accuracy.  

There has been a lot of pulling level 3 details down to level 1 over the years in the legion.  This does more to dissuade people from joining.  I am a firm believer that costume excellence should be incentivized, not gatekept. 

I also suggest looking at the CRLs for the other similar uniforms:  Imperial Military Non-saga, Security Services Non Saga, and the ISB Non Saga to see where we place what is level 2 and level 3.  We are not bound by precedent, but we try to keep these ships flying in formation with one another.

My general thoughts on levels 1 through 3 are that 1 should be accessible for those that want to do the costume.  With higher levels something that can be worked on over years if they want to keep striving to get that level of accuracy.  

There has been a lot of pulling level 3 details down to level 1 over the years in the legion.  This does more to dissuade people from joining.  I am a firm believer that costume excellence should be incentivized, not gatekept. 

I also suggest looking at the CRLs for the other similar uniforms:  Imperial Military Non-saga, Security Services Non Saga, and the ISB Non Saga to see where we place what is level 2 and level 3.  We are not bound by precedent, but we try to keep these ships flying in formation with one another.

Happy new year everyone! Here's to an awesome 2023! 
 
Cheers!