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We'll add it to the list. 
 
We need members to search the screen shots for good Officer references for the Force Awakens, any help is appreciated.

We'll add it to the list. 
 
We need members to search the screen shots for good Officer references for the Force Awakens, any help is appreciated.

Nice submission!!
 
Good Luck!!

LOL, I just explained this to your GML.  Let me share it with you too:
 
What he has there is a Russian Dosimeter. I use them but have modified it to resemble the correct, blue tipped models.





As it is now, it won't work. But if he makes or buys a correct style clip and modifies the rest, this model will work. I cut a groove around the side of the plastic caps to make it look more like the blue cap, then painted it blue. The larger end, that is the top now, I made the bottom and painted it black.

LOL, I just explained this to your GML.  Let me share it with you too:
 
What he has there is a Russian Dosimeter. I use them but have modified it to resemble the correct, blue tipped models.





As it is now, it won't work. But if he makes or buys a correct style clip and modifies the rest, this model will work. I cut a groove around the side of the plastic caps to make it look more like the blue cap, then painted it blue. The larger end, that is the top now, I made the bottom and painted it black.

Here is the documentation from the Legion as quoted by the LMO already:  http://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:CharacterApproval
 
Specifically: The character must be represented visually by an officially authorized Star Wars publication. Full body front/back/side reference must be available. Costumes based only on text descriptions cannot be approved.
 
This will be the last time we need to debate the written 501st rules in this post.  By all means, take the debate to the LMO or LCO.  We have many other approvable costumes to do CRL work for and until such time that we can get more photos to support this one, again, our hands are tied.
So unless you have some breaking evidence, or something supportive to add to this topic, please stop making the staff repeat what has already been covered.

Actually I never said that we can't have a generic FO general in the 501st. I see no reason not to. That's basically Hux without the ginger hair requirement no? 
 
I'm thinking maybe I posted my response in the wrong thread. I was posting about generic officers in general not generic generals. 
 

 
My point was that I've read a bunch here on IOC and there's been a lot of banter and back and forth about other FO officers but no one has produced any screen references to look at. Blurry photos of the starkiller base lineup during Hux's Hilter speech aren't good enough for me.
 
I'm sorry for the confusion. 
 
-Eric

Only if that person at Lucasfilm is will and able to share production photos. 

I'm saying, let's concentrate on the FO officer's we do have pics of.

Here is the documentation from the Legion as quoted by the LMO already:  http://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:CharacterApproval
 
Specifically: The character must be represented visually by an officially authorized Star Wars publication. Full body front/back/side reference must be available. Costumes based only on text descriptions cannot be approved.
 
This will be the last time we need to debate the written 501st rules in this post.  By all means, take the debate to the LMO or LCO.  We have many other approvable costumes to do CRL work for and until such time that we can get more photos to support this one, again, our hands are tied.
So unless you have some breaking evidence, or something supportive to add to this topic, please stop making the staff repeat what has already been covered.

This member can submit as Hux, either with a wig or hair color.  I have a friend that did the same.  Save time and headache everyone, submit as Hux and resubmit if we ever can make the Generic General CRL fly.

This member can submit as Hux, either with a wig or hair color.  I have a friend that did the same.  Save time and headache everyone, submit as Hux and resubmit if we ever can make the Generic General CRL fly.

This member can submit as Hux, either with a wig or hair color.  I have a friend that did the same.  Save time and headache everyone, submit as Hux and resubmit if we ever can make the Generic General CRL fly.

You saw what the LMO said.  No amount of debate here will change it.  The Speech scene doesn't have the details required to make the correct call.  Until we have additional pics proving the other generals are dressed exactly the same as Hux, our hands are tied.
I agree with the need for this CRL, but we can't base the CRL on wants and could be, but we do lack the facts to support it.
This kind of post needs to be directed to the LMO staff, not here.  It is not adding to the discussion for the other officers in the movie, it is disrupting it and it bordering on flaming.  Please post only constructively in this thread or I will have no choice but to close it.

You saw what the LMO said.  No amount of debate here will change it.  The Speech scene doesn't have the details required to make the correct call.  Until we have additional pics proving the other generals are dressed exactly the same as Hux, our hands are tied.
I agree with the need for this CRL, but we can't base the CRL on wants and could be, but we do lack the facts to support it.
This kind of post needs to be directed to the LMO staff, not here.  It is not adding to the discussion for the other officers in the movie, it is disrupting it and it bordering on flaming.  Please post only constructively in this thread or I will have no choice but to close it.

You saw what the LMO said.  No amount of debate here will change it.  The Speech scene doesn't have the details required to make the correct call.  Until we have additional pics proving the other generals are dressed exactly the same as Hux, our hands are tied.
I agree with the need for this CRL, but we can't base the CRL on wants and could be, but we do lack the facts to support it.
This kind of post needs to be directed to the LMO staff, not here.  It is not adding to the discussion for the other officers in the movie, it is disrupting it and it bordering on flaming.  Please post only constructively in this thread or I will have no choice but to close it.

You saw what the LMO said.  No amount of debate here will change it.  The Speech scene doesn't have the details required to make the correct call.  Until we have additional pics proving the other generals are dressed exactly the same as Hux, our hands are tied.
I agree with the need for this CRL, but we can't base the CRL on wants and could be, but we do lack the facts to support it.
This kind of post needs to be directed to the LMO staff, not here.  It is not adding to the discussion for the other officers in the movie, it is disrupting it and it bordering on flaming.  Please post only constructively in this thread or I will have no choice but to close it.

Yes they do that size as it is a UK size 11, if you look at the listing they need some other measurement so that you get a pair of boots that are bespoke to your feet. calf and leg length is needed. Cheers

Hello! I hope I can easily clarify some of the comments I've made previously on the main board concerning
"FO General". I have a slew of reasons why I don't see any other generals being on this ship/planet.
 
Point 1: General Hux and Kylo are on the "same standing". (There is two people on starkiller base in control, it's Kylo and Hux) mirroring Vader and Tarkin. 
 
A. He(hux) is the only other person ever seen speaking to Snoke. 
 
2. General Hux commands and controls starkiller base (page 40 visual dic) and only snoke has final control.
 
3. We have No evidence that the first order is in control of any other large embodiment that would be reason to have a second general.
 
The very next page in the visual dictionary (42) begins to describe various other officers on the finalizer. 
 
4. As stated previously I know we have the fabulous speech shot. But it's not high rez and we can't see any details. It could even be safe to say that everyone in the speech picture is wearing parade garb (mentioned on p41 in the visual dictionary).  So that's why they all look charcoal grey and shiny. 
 
5. There is no evidence written or visual that's telling us there's other generals aside from a PMed screen shot of the actor describing his account. (I'm foggy on this fact? Is this true?..I have not had coffee yet sorry) 
 
TLDR: we need (some) visual proof of a general. The blurry screengrab isn't enough and they are covered in capes. 
 
Thanks for all your hard work guys I hope this explains a bit my other side of this discussion.

Here are the requirements and instructions for posting an Executor request thread:
 
http://www.imperialofficer.com/forum/index.php?/topic/2348-request-executor-l2-recognition/

Hi folks... LMO here. 
 
The rank or title is less important to me (general, lieutenant, sergeant, first class floor mopper) than screen references. The books are great as a backup reference but I'd like to see actual film screen captures of any costume that is proposed. Without screen references I'm loath to add it to our list of approved of costumes based on the front view in a book. 
 
Please post what images you have here for review. 
 
Here is the new costume approval wording: 
http://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:CharacterApproval
 
-Eric
 

There is a draft in the Staff area, it is about done.  We can post it for more discussion though.

Here are the requirements and instructions for posting an Executor request thread:
 
http://www.imperialofficer.com/forum/index.php?/topic/2348-request-executor-l2-recognition/

Hey all.
In this thread I want discuss whether a generic FO General should be approvable for the 501st or not.
Lets start with the analysis of the first scene we see in the movie: The Hux speech.
 

 
You see Hux in the foreground and many other henchmen in the background. I assume that these Henchmen are other First Order Generals. 
In the following I will discuss why I assume this with references.
 
1) Hat

 
As you can see in the picture above, all henchmen wear the same hat. The same that General Hux wears. As you can see the colors are also the same.
The only other First Order personel who wears a hat are the Lieutenants. Here's a picture of Lieutenant Mitaka.
 

 
The henchmen in the background are not Lieutenants for two obvious reasons. Lieutenants have a kinda grey suit. The henchmen in the speech scene are clearly black. Also the hat of the lieutenants are grey matching to the suit. Furthermore the Lieutenants have code cylinders which you'd see on the henchmen. In fact you can see two of them wearing something there on the left, however they differ from the others.
 
2) Vest

 
I hope you can see it. If not enlarge the picture please. We know that Hux as a split in the vest. You really have to zoom in to see that the henchmen in the background have a split there too. But it is clearly there.
 
3) Collar

 
As you can see in the picture, every henchmen has the same collar as Hux. Since the Lieutenants and Technicians also have the collar, it's not a clear prrof that these are Generals, however it is a similarity.
 
4) Last but not least the belt:

 
Every henchmen wear the exact belt buckle as you can see in the picture above. Also the Lieutenants wear this kind of belt buckle but since the suit of the Lieutenants have a very different color, it can be stated, that the henchmen in the background are NOT Lieutenants. We also have Technicians in the ranks of the First Order.
 

 
As you can see the Technicians have a black suit but you can see that the belt buckle is missing. So for obvious reasons the henchmen in the background are not Technicians. (Why would Hux want to have technicians on the platform with all the high ranked First Order personell?)
 
In summary we can clearly assume that the henchmen are First Order Generals.
 
But that is not the only reference we have up to know. The LEGO Group released for the May the 4th event a Minifigure Polybag: First Order General. Furthermore at a german convention (Sci-Fi Days at the Technikmuseum Speyer) an actor was a special guest who played a "First Order General" : Bern Collaço.
 
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Bern_Collaco
 
Quoted from the wiki article: "Bern Collaço is a British actor who played [ ... ] a general in the 2015 film Star Wars: The Force Awakens [...]"
 
The german event was not the only event where he attended as a special guest. Here is a picture of how Swindon Film and Comic Con 2016 announced Mr. Bern Collaço:

 
If you look for him on Facebook (you'll find him) you will see that he states to have played a General there too. "Storm Trooper Rogue One. 1ST Order General, Star Wars Episode VII TFA. CIA Agent, Mission Impossible 5:Rogue Nation. Train Car Diner, Spectre. "
 
Further more my local LMO who also talked to Bern Collaço at the event messaged him through Facebook and here is his reply:

 
At this point I want to say that you please desist from messaging him through his private facebook profile.
 
Based on all the references stated above my girlfriend Anna-Lena made a First Order General. I will "represent" her on the boards, since she doesnt have an account and according to her, her english isn't good enough. I have to accept the Generals opinion..hehe
 
Here are pictures of the costume:
 



 
 
Here is the draft for the CRL:
 
First Order General Hat, black

For 501st approval:
-The hat's brim is a black leather, or leather-like material protruding from the front bottom of the dome. It is curved in shape and does not obscure the wearer's eyes.
-The dome fits snugly on the head and cocks slightly back like a baseball cap.
-It is fitted to the head and does not cover the ears.
-There tall flap around the back half of the hat, snugly fitting around the dome.
-This piece is not higher than the dome of the hat, and does not overly flex outward. It is effectively vertical in respect to the rest of the hat, and viewed from the side, it's edges are tilted slightly back at an angle.
-The First Order emblem is centered in the front of the hat's dome. It is black and white.
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-First Order insignia is a metal pin, centered in the front of the hat's dome. It's approx 1 1/2" wide & 1 3/4" tall.
-The dome has a subtlety curved seam separating the front panel from rest of the hat, with a similar seam on the back part of the dome, with one vertical seam down the dome's back.
 
Tunic, First Order General, Black

For 501st approval:
-Fabric is a smooth, light to medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants and has a noticeable sheen.
-Tunic is fitted.
-The closure may use hidden side (or buck) clasps, or hook and eye closures.
-Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons.
     -First Order patch and rank insignia are sewn down on the left arm only
-The collar is snugly fitting, classic-style, and has a visible closure panel across the front of the neck, covering the zipper slider or top clasp. **It may attach to the side of the neck by Velcro, hook and eye, or any closure that does not interfere with the look of the collar.
-Tunic has epaulettes across the shoulder, from the collar to top of the arm seam seam.
     -They are completely sewn down on all sides.
-There are princess seams on the front and back, and one vertical seam down the center of the back.
-There are two horizontal front pockets (double welt pockets) on both sides of closure, right below the belt.
-The pockets have a false opening (seams) right below the true openings and are the same length. These do not have to function. 
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-Tunic material is a shiny, grosgrain or silk rayon, wrinkle-less material.
-There are two seams down the sleeves, continuing from the princess seams on the front and back.
-Tunic has a dark grey or black inner lining.
-First Order patch is centered on left bicep and is approximately 3" (7.62 cm) high 2 1/4" wide
-There is a subtle cuff seam line on both lower sleeves above the rank bands.
 
Jodphur Trousers, First Order General, Black

For 501st approval:
-Fabric is a light to medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic.
-Flared riding breeches have subtle, semi-stiff flares in the hip/thigh area, below the tunic and above the knee.
-Breeches are worn with tall, knee-high boots.
-Pockets and waist belts are acceptable, although are not visible with the tunic on.
-Stirrups may be attached to the leg bottoms to keep material tightly tucked into the boots
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-There is a fold on the legs creased from back to front, directly below the jodphur flares, tucking tightly into the boots, over the knees.
 
 
General Boots, First Order General, Black

For 501st approval:
-Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material, with moderate to high-gloss shine.
    -Rubber rain boots or Wellies are not acceptable.
    -PVC or synthetic material is allowed as long as it gives the appearance of leather.
    -Original Trilogy English Riding Boots are acceptable for basic approval.
-There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration.
-Boot seams must closely match screen-used boots.
-Boots have conservative or no heels at all. Flat soles are most accurate.
-If zippers are present, they on the inner part of the boot shaft only.
-The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-Boots have a zipper on the inner shaft.
-Soles are flat, similar to FO TK and TI soles.
-Seams and design must match screen-used boots.
 
 
Gloves, First Order General, Black

For 501st approval:
-Gloves are constructed of a non-textured, black leather or leather-like material.
-Enclosed fingers.
-Gloves are gauntlet length, fitted, and worn underneath the sleeves.
-No buckles, straps, ect.
-Gloves may have seams similar to Original Trilogy officer gloves for basic approval. 
 
 
Belt, First Order General

For 501st approval:
-The belt is constructed from a black, non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
-Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.
-Belt must fit snugly over the natural waist of the wearer.
-There are no loops on the belt.
-Sizing holes on wither side of the buckle are acceptable for basic approval.
-The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal-looking material.
-Buckle is free of decoration, greeblies or insignia.
-Buckle is rectangular, with sharp-angled edges, approximately 5 1/4" (13.3 cm) long & 2 1/2 high (6.35 cm).
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-Belt is made of leather.
-There are no sizing holes
-Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.
 
General Rank Insignia, First Order 

For 501st approval:
-Worn on the left side of arm, above the wrist and below the elbow
-Rank consists of four white bands sewn down to the sleeve.
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-Rank bands consist of two separate black bands with the white piping on the top and bottom edge of each.
 
Optional Accessories:
 
 
First Order Officer Great Coat, black
 
For 501st approval:
-Coat is long, black wool. It drapes past the knees, but above the ankles.
-It is fitted to the wearer.
-First Order patch and rank insignia appears on the left sleeve as they do on the tunic.
-First Order patch is centered on left bicep and is approximately 3" (7.62 cm) high 2 1/4" wide.
-The collar is long with a wide lapel. It must closely match the design in reference images.
-Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons.
-Coat has epaulettes across the shoulder, from the collar to top of the arm seam seam. They are completely sewn down to the shoulders.
-The coat is open and does not close. It may be worn over the shoulders like a cloak.
 
For level two certification (if applicable):
-The coat has two long panels that fold back from under the armpit to the backside of the coat. They connect at a point lateral to the posterior.
-There is one vertical seam down the center of the back.
-There are two horizontal front pockets on both sides of closure, right below the waist.
-The coat has a smooth, black lining, matching the tunic's lining.
-There is a subtle cuff seam line on both lower sleeves above the rank bands.
 
Officer's Blaster, First Order

For 501st approval:
-Based on a replica Glock 19 repeating pistol, scratch-built with added greeblies, or a modified commercial replica is acceptable.
-Details to be painted black and silver per reference photos. 
 
 
Thanks for reading!
Dino
DS-75608

I want this book now even more 
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/books/2017/03/02/star-wars-thrawn-book-exclusive-excerpt/98518860/