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That's already happening several times a month. Sometimes members don't check CRLs and didn't notice something changed, or people who want to join buy used costumes that didn't match the current standard, or someone starts building a costume, then leaves the built and starts finishing it two years later without checking for changes. And I'm not talking about changes made days, but months or even years ago. There's no way we could provide enough information to forestall the worst-case applicant. And believe me, my GML-team and I tried. 
Also we already altered/grandfathered complete CRL in the past. We have two FO Generals in my Garrison, a CRL with a lifespan of hardly a year within our library. 
 
So to reject the Final Order Officer just because somewhere in the future an applicant could be revoked after the CRL changed is IMO nothing we should consider in the current decision. 

This is complete and utter poodoo.
Not once was I (former DL) notified that this would not be accepted, or I'd have yelled from the top of this hill that I'll die on, that this was a bad decision.
Mountain Trooper is based solely on a toy.
Captain Cardinal is 90 percent based on a toy (that has the wrong helmet!).
All the Spec Ops Army CRLs are based on crudely drawn comics, and look like bargain basement SWAT team members - which is why we didn't want them.
95 percent of the clones died before order 66, thus shouldn't even be 501st.
But because the back of a black costume isn't seen in full daylight, you're gonna nix it?
This is precisely the flawed reasoning that made me vote NO for your ratification.
- Jeff

Excuse me for asking, if it is majority rules with matters, doesn't that mean we have all of the LMOs engaged so they have an informed opinion?  Will this be voting for matters that are in dispute? Or for the entire costume even when the details are incontrovertible?  Just trying to get a handle on your process so we can meet it better and make sure we meet the threshold for approval.

Our model and the CRL team are perfectly willing to make changes when we have more information, but there are some things like this that are likely to never get more information.  That shouldn't preclude their launch.   Especially since details on some of the legions oldest costumes have changed in just the past year.

@DarthAloha, I'm trying to parse this... I've been informed that the LMO team has been kicking around discussions about this costume for many weeks, if not longer.  Kris Kobus is on your LMO team and he was the one who started this very thread... he certainly knows every step that's happened along the way with this costume, having personally made recommendations to the applicant (as you can read in this very thread, again).  What sort of involvement was lacking, for this costume?
 
Or is this more in regards to other costumes, to be developed in the future?

For thise asking about the back. Here are my screenshots. I managed to lighten the picture and there is 100% a seam across the back, around shoulder height. 
 

 
And heres mine
 

 
 

I only know about the screencap that shows the yoke and searched the internet back and forth to get further info. The Lego minifig suggests that there might be some sort of vertikal or maybe even princess seams, but no way to see anything due to the phenomenal illumination. 

CRL draft looks good to me, but there are to things regarding the tunic where I have questions if 
 
- Do we have any information how the chest yoke is attached? 
If we can confirm that it was attached with hooks and bars I'm ok with that, otherwise I would leave it to the applicant how they want to construct it.
 
- Same question regarding the front closure
Do we have references? I think as they used something similar for the FO Lieutenant/Captain it could be the same construction method. But again I wouldn't like to demand something that can't be proven by references. 
 
I could also ask the same question about the seam around the waist, but as it's important to get the tunic a good fit I'd just include it. 
 
Maybe someone here knows how to contact Stella Atkinson (the assistant costume designer of Ep IX) to answer these questions. At least Glyn Dillon guessed that she is meant on the rankbar as "Stels" is her Nickname and whilst taking into account her job it would make sense.

Sadly he wasn't involved in the construction as he would share his information. He could only confirm the rankbar (STELS). 
 
So IMO we can only choose between two options and I don't like both of them as I also want to do this. Either we stall the CRL until we may gather the information through someone who had connections to the costume department, a future panel or some bts (not the K-Pop band) shot. or we go down the slippery slope of assumption. 
 

So here is my attempt at a CRL based on my costume. I tried to take the measurements out of it for the most part (Exept the belt buckle since mine was a re-purposed Imperial Buckle and matched the dementions on that CRL) Please let me know if I am on the right track. 
 
Sith Eternal Officer CRL
 
Description: Sith Etental/Final Order Officer
Prefix: ID
Detachment: Imperial Officer Corps
Context: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
Officers in the High Command of the Final Order, raised on the planet Exegol by the Sith Eternal—Sith cultists who revered the dark side of the Force and were devoted to the Sith religion. 
     
Hat, Sith Officer, Black
The front brim is a black leather-like material. It is curved and does not obscure the wearer's eyes.
Fabric of the crown is a ribbed black pleather
Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" tall.
Front and rear ‘flaps’ are of a black medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic.
Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides.
Front flap is about .5" higher than the rear flap. The flap is vertical with a tilt outwards around the sides of the hat.
Rear flap is vertical with a tilt outwards around the sides and back.
Sith Code Disk is positioned at the center of the front vertical flap.
Tunic
Fabric is a black, medium weight suiting, matching the pants.
The piping is a red 3-5mm binding.
The closure is at the centre front using an invisible zip and hook and bars, enclosed by the red piping.
The sleeves are long and end at the wrist.
The chest yoke is attached at the right shoulder and closes with hooks and bars. It is the same fabric as the tunic, and sits directly on the red piping.
The tunic is fitted to the body, with a shoulder yoke on the back. 
It has a waist seam beneath the belt, with vertical darts stopping mid chest.
Rank and insignia are attached on the left arm.
Neck Seal
Black horizontal ribs fitted to the wearer to conceal the entire neck. 
Neck Seal is fitted under the jacket and should reach under the chin.
Chest Rank Bar
A plain metal rectangle with radiused ends. 2 ½” long by ⅜ width. 
Bar is attached to the jacket by metal pins or magnets.
Jodhpur Pants
Fabric is a black, medium weight suiting, matching the tunic.
Flared riding breeches have semi-stiff flares in the hip/thigh area, below the tunic and above the knee.
Flare is triangular in shape and fits snugly at the knee.
Waist closure is a standard lap zipper, with hook and bar fixtures. This is concealed by the tunic.
 
Officer Boots, Sith Officer
Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material, with moderate to high-gloss shine.
There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration.
Boot seams closely match screen-used boots.
Soles are flat.
If zippers are present, they are on the inner part of the boot shaft only.
Boots are the same as First Order Officers boots
Belt, Sith Officer
The belt is constructed from a ribbed rubber or rubber like material.
Belt is approximately 2.5" to 3" in width.
There are no loops on the belt.
The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with rounded corners.
Buckle is adorned with a Sith Code Disk at the center.
Gloves, Sith Officer, Black
Gloves are constructed of a non-textured, black leather or leather-like material.
Enclosed fingers.
Gloves are gauntlet length, fitted, and worn underneath the sleeves.
No buckles, straps, etc.
Rank Insignia, Sith Officer
Worn on the left side of arm, above the wrist and below the elbow
Rank consists of one black band sewn down to the sleeve with Aurebesh embroidered on it. The edges utilize piping or an embroidered line on each side.
For Captain, the Aurebesh spells “Stem"
Both piping (if used) and embroidery (Aurabesh and lines) are red.

I only know about the screencap that shows the yoke and searched the internet back and forth to get further info. The Lego minifig suggests that there might be some sort of vertikal or maybe even princess seams, but no way to see anything due to the phenomenal illumination. 

CRL draft looks good to me, but there are to things regarding the tunic where I have questions if 
 
- Do we have any information how the chest yoke is attached? 
If we can confirm that it was attached with hooks and bars I'm ok with that, otherwise I would leave it to the applicant how they want to construct it.
 
- Same question regarding the front closure
Do we have references? I think as they used something similar for the FO Lieutenant/Captain it could be the same construction method. But again I wouldn't like to demand something that can't be proven by references. 
 
I could also ask the same question about the seam around the waist, but as it's important to get the tunic a good fit I'd just include it. 
 
Maybe someone here knows how to contact Stella Atkinson (the assistant costume designer of Ep IX) to answer these questions. At least Glyn Dillon guessed that she is meant on the rankbar as "Stels" is her Nickname and whilst taking into account her job it would make sense.

Hi @all,
 
it seems there was recently an update of the Hux CRL. As a sidenote: It'd be nice if those things are announed here. As a GML i get the updates via the LMOs, but 'normal' members don't get them.
 
Some things are really an improvement, but i really hope it's an accident that the rankbar isn't required für basic approval anymore?
Also I'm curious why the "shiny fabric" requirement moved from basic approval to Lvl 2?
 
 
 

I know it's the wrong universe, bit I'd say "Make it so".
 
 
 

I know it's the wrong universe, bit I'd say "Make it so".
 
 
 

I know it's the wrong universe, bit I'd say "Make it so".
 
 
 

As stated earlier in this topic, most of the research, reference and screencap-collecting was done by @PArmstr more than two years ago:
 

Good question!
 
@Hux any suggestions? We have the reference pics, a written CRL proposal and pictures of the Uniform. Did we miss anything?

And this is what the Uniform looks like in the field:
 

 
Perfect for more sophisticated occasions, like a wedding  

If this costume would be more complicated I would understand the reluctance to repeat mistakes from the past but it really does not make any sense here. We know all we need to know for at least the lower levels perhaps even level 3. We know that these guys wear a standard imperial tunic in black and olive green/feldgrau. We know how those tunics look like since ANH. It does not matter if there is a hidden seam under the belt or not. We know that they wear a standard imperial belt. It does not really matter if the strap has groves or not. It also does not matter if the belt buckle has a curve or if its disc has a notch detail or not.  We know that they wear science officer style dress pants in the color of the tunic. We also know that they wear plain black dress shoes with no decorations or laces. It does not matter what brand or model they are. We do not need to know if the boots are ankle high or low dress shoes because the pants will cover the top of them anyway. It also does not matter if they are made of real leather or faux-leather but we know that they are not suede, they are too shiny for that. We know that one guy with a black uniform has a rank bar with six blue tiles and a code cylinder in each code cylinder pocket. We know that one guy with an olive green/ feldgrau uniform has a rank bar with six red tiles and one code cylinder in his left pocket and two in his right one. For the lower levels, it does not matter if the belts, code cylinders or tunics are the Rogue One or the OT version. The tiny not visible details do not really matter for the lower levels. We should not be this nitpicky, well at least not for the lower levels. It does not really matter if we only have enough references to create a CRL with level 1 or 2, not every CRL need to go up to level 3.

@Steven Nice work,! Makes me think about grabbing some more from Antjes fabric to do both variants of the pants.
 
I'd personally like to see it become it's own CRL as there are  at least three clearly  visible differences, four if the lack of gloves.
That's the exact amount of differences between the Line officer and the Grandmoff Tarkin CRL and nobody would suggest to make him a variant. 

@Steven Nice work,! Makes me think about grabbing some more from Antjes fabric to do both variants of the pants.
 
I'd personally like to see it become it's own CRL as there are  at least three clearly  visible differences, four if the lack of gloves.
That's the exact amount of differences between the Line officer and the Grandmoff Tarkin CRL and nobody would suggest to make him a variant. 

@Steven Nice work,! Makes me think about grabbing some more from Antjes fabric to do both variants of the pants.
 
I'd personally like to see it become it's own CRL as there are  at least three clearly  visible differences, four if the lack of gloves.
That's the exact amount of differences between the Line officer and the Grandmoff Tarkin CRL and nobody would suggest to make him a variant. 

@Steven Nice work,! Makes me think about grabbing some more from Antjes fabric to do both variants of the pants.
 
I'd personally like to see it become it's own CRL as there are  at least three clearly  visible differences, four if the lack of gloves.
That's the exact amount of differences between the Line officer and the Grandmoff Tarkin CRL and nobody would suggest to make him a variant. 

@Steven Nice work,! Makes me think about grabbing some more from Antjes fabric to do both variants of the pants.
 
I'd personally like to see it become it's own CRL as there are  at least three clearly  visible differences, four if the lack of gloves.
That's the exact amount of differences between the Line officer and the Grandmoff Tarkin CRL and nobody would suggest to make him a variant. 

The uniform was seen on screen, so by the rules of the 501st we can replicate it, create a CRL and wear it, it doesn't (or shouldn't) matter if anyone thinks that this uniform doesn't fit into the type of the classical Officers.
Just because someone wants to wear this uniform doesn't mean this person is lazy or wants to make something cheap. A good high quality Officer uniform is always far away from being cheap, no matter which style.

I do not think that the possibility of a few people being too lazy to look for riding boots should stop us from making the Service Dress Uniform CRL or to include this uniform in the already existing Staff Officer CRL or Line Officer CRL, depending on what we will do in the end. Why should we punish the people that would like to wear an officer, but cannot find riding boots or jackboots in their sizes because of a possibility? Nobody shoots their dog because there is a possibility that it will get cancer or rabies.
 
If I could wear riding boots I would. I wear jackboots that are 4 sizes too big for me with 4 pairs of insoles, 2 pairs of thick socks and an added piece of leather so that I can wear my bridge crew. I am pretty sure that other people also try to do everything they can to wear a costume that they like. Unfortunately, that is not always possible.
 
There are 2734 officers in the 501st Legion, but only 12 of them are Imperial Science Officers and that CRL has been up for a while. There are also only 137 Warrant Officers and 143 Imperial Security Bureau Officers. The majority of our officers wear uniforms with riding boots even though that there are CRLs without them available. Why should that suddenly change just because we add another option to our CRLs? I'm pretty sure that most people will continue to buy riding boots. They are just too iconic.
 

I know text does not convey tone so I apologize if any of this comes off angry/argumentative/etc.

So basically those few of us approved as Science Officers would technically already be approved as Service Dress.
I'm fine with the Science Officer being a 3rd tab under the same CRL since it specifically calls for the white cuffs while the other two do not.
 
I've seen tons of sloppy looking officers, people who looks like they crumpled their uniform into a ball and threw it in a bag, forgot about it for a month, and then threw it on last minute. Hat, no hat, knee high boots, ankle boots, that's not going to change someone not taking care of their uniform.
 
The Service Dress uniform is probably going to be the easiest costume to get people into the legion. It's going to be a lot of people's first costumes. And probably even more "comfy con table duty" uniforms. It's going to offer people a chance to get an officer suit without having to break the bank finding shoes if they can't fit into a stock size. This is the reason why I want to see this CRL happen so much. I know of at least 6 people in my garrison and countless more that will buy this costume and join the IOC the minute this CRL goes green. Why don't they join right now? Because they can't find the knee high riding boots!
 
Is being called a Nazi any better or worse then just looking like a guy in a black suit?