Sebastian

Yes indeed I am planning on making it a little bit shorter (about 5 cm) so that it's around a "palm's length" below the end of my hands (Beehaz had about the same). As for the flair out of the tunic it's mostly my body shape (gained a few kilos during Covid unfortunate) and also the pant's kind of "push" them outwards, but I'm gonna be thinking about that yet. Besides, I believe once it'll be a tad shorter it'll fix on itself so to speak. Stay tuned for the next update  

Yes indeed I am planning on making it a little bit shorter (about 5 cm) so that it's around a "palm's length" below the end of my hands (Beehaz had about the same). As for the flair out of the tunic it's mostly my body shape (gained a few kilos during Covid unfortunate) and also the pant's kind of "push" them outwards, but I'm gonna be thinking about that yet. Besides, I believe once it'll be a tad shorter it'll fix on itself so to speak. Stay tuned for the next update  

That tunic’s some quality work indeed, but when it flares out towards the bottom, it almost looks like an overcoat rather than a uniform tunic.

I cannot wait to see where this impression expands and evolves!


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I’m digging it. 
I do think it’s just a little too long. 
looking at Beehaz, the belt divides his tunic in half.
Also if you notice, his tunic hangs straight down below his waist.  Yours appears to flair out.  And that’s okay if it’s a function of body shape, but it does make it look big on you. 
Does that make sense? 

Nice work so far! I don’t know if it’s deliberate or if you plan to get that tailored, but that’s a very long tunic. May I ask why the extra length?


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looking good.  @chicken45 @kman  What do you think?

Here comes my Imperial Gala Officer's Uniform (Jeyhold Beehaz) Work-in-Progress v1.5 
 
Still need to make a few adjustments (higher collar, thicker epaulettes, etc.) but I think it's going really, really well and starting to look like the one from the show. I even got to troop in it for a few hours this weekend to show it off, test it's practicality and ask some constructive criticism as to help me make it the best possible creation for the CRLs and by extension all of us officers here in the IOC.
 

 

 

 

 

 
 
What do you guys think so far? I think it's pretty neat and helps with cold weather.
 
P.S. I was making the pics from my phone in the office and forgot to take off my shirt and close the collar so sorry for that. In a couple of weeks (or somewhat sooner I hope) it should be fully ready with the cape and the ceremonial belt (as soon as they're made) and then we can start working on introducing the CRLs for Version One (Standard belt and cap with no cape) and also Version Two (Ceremonial Belt with cape and cap with black, leather visor).

Here comes my Imperial Gala Officer's Uniform (Jeyhold Beehaz) Work-in-Progress v1.5 
 
Still need to make a few adjustments (higher collar, thicker epaulettes, etc.) but I think it's going really, really well and starting to look like the one from the show. I even got to troop in it for a few hours this weekend to show it off, test it's practicality and ask some constructive criticism as to help me make it the best possible creation for the CRLs and by extension all of us officers here in the IOC.
 

 

 

 

 

 
 
What do you guys think so far? I think it's pretty neat and helps with cold weather.
 
P.S. I was making the pics from my phone in the office and forgot to take off my shirt and close the collar so sorry for that. In a couple of weeks (or somewhat sooner I hope) it should be fully ready with the cape and the ceremonial belt (as soon as they're made) and then we can start working on introducing the CRLs for Version One (Standard belt and cap with no cape) and also Version Two (Ceremonial Belt with cape and cap with black, leather visor).

@Sebastian  I am sympathetic but we have to take that to the LMOs.  They are the arbiter of if this uniform is generic or if it is a face character.  Now I believe that EVERY uniform SHOULD have the option of being generic.  But they have the final say.

What I mentioned above has been the traditional threshold of what is generic and what is a face character.

I will try to get them engaged here.

Great work by the way.

And here are a couple of work in progress photos of how the uniform is getting along.
In a couple of days I should have more photos of the Version One (Without the cape and ceremonial belts) and the cape should be not a long way after that (possibly a week or two).
 
What are your thoughts, I think it's coming along nicely?
 

 

 

 
 
Of course it's just getting started off the ground, so there are a lot of things to correct, add and modify but overall I think I'm off to a good start, don't you think?

I agree. My understanding is that the Imperial Security Services fall under the ISB umbrella; they do the fieldwork while ISB stays in the office.
As for the armored guys, they seem like enlisted personnel, while the officers are, well, officers.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with this. We see tem working directly for the ISB during the torture scenes, bringing the prisoners in and out. They are providing security at the CorpSec officer when they kicked everyone else. This means dedicated ISB security forces to me. 

Perhaps it's not even imperial. Since it's the home of the Chandrila Senator, it would make sense to have some officers of the Chandrila defense forces? Who knows. But I don't think this image can truly be used for our CRLs.

Personally, for something as universal and occasionally necessary as an overcoat, this is a philosophy I would disagree with myself. For me, it’s not so much about the screen/media accuracy, more so the reasonable historical accuracy.

As I have mentioned, an officers coat, is indeed an officers coat. Truthfully, the only thing that makes it a “Line officer coat” or a “Security Services officers coat” would be the color of the coat. Therefore by that logic, I personally believe I should be able to wear an overcoat that matches the line officers coat pattern detail for detail that goes with my grey 181st uniform.

Furthermore for that Juno Eclipse situation, I think since Juno as an officer of the Empire wore the same black uniform as everyone else apart from an open, cropped jacket instead of the traditional double breasted tunic, I do think that specifically during cold weather events where the troop will take place outside (Parades, Trunk or Treats, etc) it should absolutely be tolerated that Juno cosplayers wear the black overcoat. Granted, it comes off indoors, and if the troop on a cold day takes place indoors, I do think the overcoat ought to be kept off indoors as a special rule of thumb. It’s absolutely up to the individual cosplayer talking to the public to get it across who they are either way.

Even if we don’t specifically authorize it in the CRLs, for inclement weather events predominantly taking place outdoors, that sort of deviation from the CRL in my opinion should at least be 𝒕𝒐𝒍𝒆𝒓𝒂𝒕𝒆𝒅 if not outright sanctioned. Besides, Juno Eclipse has a dress uniform variant anyway, identical to the other Security Services officers, so why not let her stay warm on the parade ground and allow her the coat?


While I mean only to respectfully express my opinion on this matter now that it’s been brought up, I sincerely feel like such unofficial understanding and tolerance for bending the rules as I have specifically mentioned against inclement weather alone, if not already a thing in other garrisons, ought to be so legion wide in my opinion.

𝑻𝒉𝒂𝒏𝒌 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒍𝒊𝒔𝒕𝒆𝒏𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒕𝒐 𝒎𝒚 𝑻𝑬𝑫 𝑻𝑨𝑳𝑲.


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You folks are preaching to the choir with me! I know we allow basically any rank as it stands even if they are not in the movies, how far to we allow that with accessories? The issue is going "too far" with that we see, or in this case, don't see, in the universe. How many liberties are we allowed to take? Would generals wear the same coats that the transportation officers do?
I am sure many folks have strong feelings on this (and that's okay!).
Just last week in my home garrison, we had a Juno who opted to squire instead of dressing up because it was cold. Juno is not a cold friendly costume. 
 
That being said, I wish Vader had a summer version! LOL

I just talked about this on a very cold and rainy troop…why isn’t it possible that other officers like a TSO aren’t allowed to use rain coats or trench coats like ISB when it’s cold and rainy? I would assume that every imperial officer would have a set of clothing including a coat. 
 
Maybe this could become a general discussion for the detachment? 

Speaking ONLY as myself, I am also all for this. 
Do we do a "Beehaz" CRL, or a generic "commandant"?
 
Cause, it bothers me I can't be a generic FO General with the great coat.
Would be great to see this as two CRLs, or tabs with specific characters to no clause bloat.

I want one!  Like the Krennic style code disc on the “pommel.”

Here you can see the collar closes in the middle of the front like with the standard Olive Darb.

Accessories it is!

I think we have enough reference photos here.  I will draft an email to the LMO office to get their permission to proceed.  It will take a week for them to vote on it.

I will add the quarter description to the CRL, thank you for checking

Also the cape is divided vertically in the middle (not sure about the wording here) on the back which you'll also see in a moment when I add the images somewhere so that they can be posted here through url's.
 
 

 

 

I looked it over again and I am pretty sure you've basically nailed it as for a face-character version. Really nice job!
Now all the rest is in the hands of our higher-ups to check if it's a "go" I guess.
 

Hi there,
 
Andor Episode 6 is just 2 days old but my husband fall in love with the Gala uniform of Jayhold Beehaz.
So I will create the CRL.
 
Many greetings from Germany, 
Jessica ID 68123

 
Required Costume Components
The following costume components are present and appear as described below.
 
Hair and Facial Features
·         Hair is light grey and runs to the neck, visible under the hat.
·         Beard is grey with white highlights.
·         No visible scars.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
·         Facial appearance and hair match very closely to that of Stanley Townsend.
 
 
Imperial Hat, fieldgrey with black visor
·         Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic.
·         Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
·         Fabric of the visor is leather or leather-like with matte shine.
·         A band with a silver military trim runs across the front of the hat and is approx 1-1,5 cm wide.
·         The band is hidden by the rear flap at the back of the head.
·         The color of the trim matches the Gala belt/sash trim
·         Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall.
·         Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high.
·         Front bill is black leather or leather-like and extends 3" down, decorated with 5 concentric stitches/seams.
·         Imperial code disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical flap with no notch.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
·         ….
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
·         ….
 
 
Cape, black with light seams
·         Fabric is a medium weight (rainproof?) material with structure, probably heavy canvas/Loden or similar.
·         Light grey seams are visible.
·         A single seam is running around the whole cloak, ca. 4 cm from the edge. 
·         The back of the cloak reaches from the shoulders to the ankle of the boots.
·         The front of the cloak reaches from the shoulders to the wrists.
·         Cloak has a collar that is approximately 4-5 cm tall, no split in the middle.
·         Attached to the collar are two rectangular matte silver rank bars, a thin edge running around. 
·         Two double seams running across the shoulder wedge.
·         The front panel of the yoke doesn’t have seams and is around 1 - 1,5 cm wide in the middle.
·         The back panel of the yoke has a seam running around,  ca 4 cm from the edge, no other seams.
·         Cloak closes from left to right up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam incl the collar.
·         Curved silver matte rank bars attached to the shoulders, a thin edge running around. No fixation visible.
·         The back of the cloak is divided in the middle by an inverted pleat, starting at the edge of the yoke. An additional  pleat is added left and right of the middle, the pleated section between 25-30 % wide in comparison to the yoke edge.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
·         Cape collar edge must lie flush to tunic collar edge
·         Collar is made from plain black material.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
·         ...
 
 
Tunic, Fieldgrey with black highlights
·         Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants and hat.
·         Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
·         Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on at the right shoulder-seam.
·         Yoke closes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam.
·         A black flap is sewn onto each shoulder, 2 to 2,5 cm wide and ends at the vertical front seam.
·         The standing collar is black and has square corners and is approximately 3 to 5 cm tall and closes snugly.
·         The wearer's neck must not be visible between the closed collar edges.
·         Collar edges are closed together in front with two eye hooks.
·         There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.
·         The back of the tunic has 2 princess seams that run vertically and turn outward to intersect the arm-hole seam at the vertical center.
·         A belt holder (hook) is sewn onto the tunic in the area of  the princess seam in the back.
·         Sleeves are long, and with black trimming at each end which covers ca. 25% of the arm of the costume from wrist to top.
·         Sleeves containing 1 seam, one along the back which is also visible on the black part.
·         Hook and eye fasteners on the uniform are not visible.
·         Tunic ends right above the knee.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
·         There is a dart in the top center of the tunic; this dart is between 2 inches (50.8mm) and 3 inches (76.2mm in length.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
·         Tunic is secured on the right side by snaps or buttons, not Velcro.
·         A lining is sewn in.
 
 
Rank Bar
·         Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart.
·         Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a metal or metal looking bar
·         The bar is approximately 1" to 1.25" height.
·         Length is determined by chosen rank configuration.
·         Rank tile dimensions are approximately 1/2" (12.7 mm)width x 3/4" (19 mm) height and about 1/8" (3.2 mm) in depth.
·         Rank tiles are translucent.
·         There is only one choice of rank bar:
·         One row of four blue tiles and two red tiles
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
·         Rank consists of colored plastic push buttons mounted on a metal bar.
 
 
Code Cylinders
·         Two code cylinders are worn, one in each pocket on the tunic.
·         Code cylinders are of the following styles:
·         Dosimeter style: True Dosimeter with golden/brass clip and blue top.
 
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
·         Only real or replica dosimeters are used.
 
 
 
Gala belt
·         black with silver decoration.
·         worn around the waist with one sash over the right shoulder, secured by the black shoulder flap and behind the belt. 
·         The belt is constructed from a black basis, probably leather or leather-like and two silver military trimmings sewn on top.
·         Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.
·         There are no loops on the belt.
·         The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
·         The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.
·         Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center.
·         Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
·         Buckle is flat or may have a very slight curve.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
·         ....
 
 
Jodhpur Trousers, fieldgrey
·         Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic and hat.
·         Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
·         Flared riding breeches are canon.
·         Pockets are acceptable, although they are not visible with the tunic on.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
·         ....
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
·         ....
 
 
Officer Boots
·         Knee-high, black, riding style, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material.
·         There are no buckles, snap tabs or decoration.
·         Boots have conservative heels.
·         A single stretch panel or zipper may be present, they are to be hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft.
·         Not visible from the front, side or back.
·         The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
·         Boots do not have stretch panels or a zipper.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
·         Boots are made of leather.
·         Not vinyl or PVC.
·         Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.
·         Boots are flat topped.
 
 
Optional Accessories
Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use.
Belt Boxes
·         Dimensions are approximately 2 1/2" (63.5 mm) by 3 1/2" (88.9 mm) by 1" (25.4 mm) thick..
·         Two boxes may be worn, one on either side of the belt.
·         Placement of the screw / rivet for the belt boxes should be on the shortest side (top and bottom for vertical belt boxes, left and right for horizontal)
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
·         Belt boxes include a lid on back of the box.
·         Belt boxes shall be worn only vertically.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
·         Belt boxes are made of metal.
 
 
Gloves
·         Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a smooth, non-textured leather or leather-like material.
·         Enclosed fingers.
·         No buckles, straps, etc. 
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
·         Gloves have a plain back and no visible adornments.
·         Gloves made of leather.
·         Gloves end just past the wrist.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
·         .....
 
 
THE coffee mug
·         matte black with 2 elongated indentations opposite each other 
·         contains arouncd xx ounces
·         a thin silver plate attached on one side
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
·         ....