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    Warrant Officer Update -- Help Requested

    in CRL Updates

    Posted

    Not quite.  "Believe" is slightly stronger than what is actually going on in my head.  My interpretation of the lines you mention in the book is slightly different, but I'm not married to it, and the option for edits that you quoted is the first that came to mind.  But not the only.

     

    This thread is a "Possible What to Do Brainstorming and Research Thread" .... Not a "Cari Gonna Do This For Sure Thread".

     

    As it stands right now, there are no changes that will be performed on Warrant or Navy Trooper - Dress CRL.

    Warrant Officer Update -- Help Requested

    in CRL Updates

    Posted

    Assuming that there is a straightlegged blackuniformed no rankbar dude in an Imperial tunic ... 

     

    And assuming that someone puts together a 451 style Warrant Officer ...

     

    My current thought is:  For the 451 CRL, name it "ANH Black Uniform".  Have the ANH Staff as the featured costume, and picture ANH Warrant as an acceptable variant.  

     

    Then, current Warrant Officer CRL can be updated similarly to how Imperial Staff will be.

    Warrant Officer Update -- Help Requested

    in CRL Updates

    Posted

    13 minutes ago, Paggeldiwwer said:

    I have watched the scenes on and on again. The guy tunic opens up in the back. My guess is, the tunic's got a 451-pattern. Even though we can not see the end of the double breast due to darkness of the fabric, it appears to have the closure on the top shoulder seam. The layer of fabric definitley matches the thickness of the one on the left shoulder.

    If that would be correct, the ANH-Staff-Officer wears a 451-uniform, straight pants, gauntlet-style-gloves, belt-boxes and jackboots

     

    The reading I have done implies that black tunics were leased 451's across the board.  Most modified in collar and minor bits, some used in  background shots not modified.  Whether or not featured / named officers with rankbars had jodphurs and minor no-rank dudes had straight pants across the board in ANH, I do not know.

     

    That discussion, the rankbar ANH dudes having straight or jodphur pants, likely needs to go to the 451 CRL discussion.  As it stands right now, the CRL you guys have agreed upon has ANH Staff with jodphurs.  So if you are second guessing, now is the time to hash that out on that thread.

     

     

     

     

    Warrant Officer Update -- Help Requested

    in CRL Updates

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Mac said:

    Not the best picture a anh warrant officer e74d0ee4e7e8898ae196b43230a54834.jpg


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    Hrm.  He clearly does not have a rankbar, but it is not clear what kind of pants, boots, or tunic the guy is wearing.  It can be argued either way.  Not a reference we can use, I don't think.  Are there any other refs for rankbar-less dude in ANH?

    Warrant Officer Update -- Help Requested

    in CRL Updates

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Paggeldiwwer said:

    And they have either two our four belt boxes.

     

    This change would mean to rename the RotJ Officer with the black tunic to be a Warrant Officer, right?

     

    Then the "original" Staff Officer (with a rank-bar) would only exist in ANH (with the 451-tunic) ans in Rogue One. Is that correct? 

     

    Not sure yet.  This is why I want all the references for "black uniformed officer without a rankbar".  Even the comics.  Once known, can then properly categorize.  We won't be renaming Warrant Officer CRL.

     

    Black uniformed officers with a rankbar do exist outside of the movies and the Imperial Staff officer CRL should reflect that once updated.

    1st Order Majors and Colonels

    in New CRLs

    Posted

    Hrrmm.  No change planned to General and Hux.  The General and Hux do match each other and your proposed text for boots, but do not match the as yet unpublished Lieutenant, which is what I have read most often and recently.  That is something I will correct and reconcile on my end.  I am personally not as fond of allowing equestrian for FO L1, but it is by no means something I am hung on that makes me lose sleep. ;)  I do prefer consistency.

     

    Other notes we have from when another tailor and the LMO team spoke about this costume when the pics of Rose Tico in one came out are below.

     

    1. We are not likely to say "Gabardine is most accurate".  Instead, we'll simply say that the material is a medium to heavy weight suiting material.

    2. The color teal is believed to be Prussian Blue.  You do not want to get too green with this teal.

    Warrant Officer Update -- Help Requested

    in CRL Updates

    Posted

    I have ... A Lot ... of references for various costumes to review right now.  So am going to tap you guys in the Detachment for assistance.

     

    "Warrant Officer"

     

    Basically, this costume is the black uniformed dudes without a rank.  What they are or aren't "in universe" I am not really worrying over right now.  As they wear black "officerly uniforms" and reference ANH in the CRL, I would like to get them squared away at the same time the Imperial Staff and ANH Staff get squared away.

     

    What I need assistance with is:  I need to know where these dudes show up.  Which specific movies, which comics, etc.   Specifically "black uniform, no rank bar"  .... it will be useful to know which ref shows them with straight legs, and which ref shows them with jodphurs.

    CRL question

    in CRL Updates

    Posted

    That was Scanning Crew that got updated, not Bridge.

     

    That being said, all other instances of beltboxes I can find are 3 1/2.  Warrant initially had 3 1/2, too, but got edited to reflect 4 1/2 in 2012 it appears.  :huh:

     

    I will do more digging to ensure it was a slip of the fingers as opposed to anything else.  If it was, I'll fix it.  Please hold.

    1st Order Majors and Colonels

    in New CRLs

    Posted

    On 11/5/2017 at 5:30 AM, Tutanchseth said:

    A member of my garrison is on the home stretch to finish a major, so i raise this thread from the dead ^^

    Since i haven´t found something i want to share the first draft of a possible CRL:

      Any comments about this?

     

     

     

     

     

    Have your GML submit it to us in LMO Land via the normal channels.  @Paggeldiwwer knows what to do.  One comment I do have is that the boots text will likely be the same text used for Hux, FO General, and the soon to be published FO Lieutenant.  And it is unlikely that standard OT equestrian style boots will be allowed for L1.

    451 style uniform CRL

    in New CRLs

    Posted

    For what it is worth, what I need, before this even thinks of becoming a reality, is:

     

    1.  Pictures processed.  I have pictures, but they are raw and I have to get them processed.  I may or may not need different pics.  I can handle this bit.

    2.  Final version of what the Detachment wants on text.  There was some back and forth, and I am not going to interpret / assume your words.

    3.  Current Staff Officer CRL rewrite proposal / updated words given to account for the split.  AND an agreement from the Detachment on what it is / needs to be.  I had asked for that a bit ago, but haven't seen anything on it, yet.

     

    The last one is pretty damn important.  I am not going to split out ANH until updated Imperial Staff is ready to publish at the same time.

    451 style uniform CRL

    in New CRLs

    Posted

    Eyeing references, Phil's suit, and the words donated by @Paggeldiwwer and @nocternus ... here is the first go I have of it.  I really want more eyes on the accessories bits, as I am not entirely sure I like the wording on them.  I have also asked Dawn Bright to examine the tunic wording.

     

    THIS IS ONLY A FIRST DRAFT

     

    Description: ANH Staff Officer
    Prefix: ID
    Detachment: Imperial Officer Corps 
    Context: Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope

    Black uniformed officers that provided a commanding presence among the legions of Stormtroopers. These ambitious officers not only serve aboard starships and military installations, but their leadership roles often inspire troops in battle. This very specialized costume is specific to Star Wars: A New Hope, and is informally known off-screen as the "451 uniform".

     

      Hat, black
    For 501st approval:
    • Fabric is a medium weight black suiting material matching the pants and tunic.
    • Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall.
    • Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high.
    • Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with 5, 6 or 7 concentric stitches.
    • Dimensions of the hat are are relative and proportional to the costumer.
    • Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical flap. 

     

    For level two certification (if applicable):
    • Code Disk has a notch detail on the outermost disk.
    For level three certification (if applicable):
    • Code disk exactly matches screen-used prop.

     

     
      Tunic, Black
    For 501st approval:
    • Fabric should be a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants and hat; calvary twill weave is most accurate.
    • Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure at the right shoulder-seam.
    • Front of tunic has a double breasted design.
    • The back of the tunic replicates the front.
      • The back of the tunic's replicated double-breast opens at both lower pleats.
    • Yoke closes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam.
    • The standing collar has square corners and is approximately 1.6" (40.6 mm) tall and closes snugly.
    • There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom of the arm hole.
    • Sleeves are long, and without decoration, containing 2 seams; one along the bottom and one along the back.
      • The rear seam opens at the cuffs at a length of approximately 3" (75mm)
    • Tunic should be constructed with top-stitching only in these specific areas and nowhere else:
      • Approximately 0.25 inches (6mm) from the outer edges of the double breast front and back.
      • Approximately 1" (2,54mm) from the outer edge of the double breast front and back.
      • Directly underneath the edge of the code cylinder pockets.
    • Fasteners on the uniform are not be visible. 

     

    For level two certification (if applicable):
    • There is a vertical dart of approximately 4" (116 mm) in the top center of the yoke.
    For level three certification (if applicable):
    • A cream lining is sewn in.

     

     
      Rank Bar
    For 501st approval:
    • Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a single bar.
    • Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart.
    • Each bar is approximately 1" to 1.25" height.
    • Length is determined by chosen rank.
    • There are only Four choices of rank for ANH staff officers.
      • One row of four blue tiles.
      • One row of four blue tiles and two amber tiles.
      • One row of two red tiles.
      • One row of three red tiles.
    • Please note that final dimensions of the bar is proportional to the wearer.
    • Rank bar corners are at a hard angle.
    • Rank tiles are translucent. 

     

    For level two certification (if applicable):
    • Belt box, code cylinder, glove, and rank badge configuration is consistent with ANH Staff Officers.
    For level three certification (if applicable):
    • Rank consists of colored plastic push buttons mounted on a metal bar.

     

     
      Code Cylinders
    For 501st approval:
    • Two per costume are worn on the tunic, one in each cylinder pocket.
      • Modified: silver "chalk holder" tube with short silver clip and blue colored top.
      • Dosimeter style: True Dosimeter with correct clip and blue top.

     

    For level two certification (if applicable):
    • Only real or replica dosimeters are used.

     

     
      Belt
    For 501st approval:
    • The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
    • Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.
    • There are no loops on the belt.
    • The belt is smooth with no grooved edges.
    • A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle.
      • The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer.
    • The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
    • The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.
    • Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. 

     

    For level two certification (if applicable):
    • Belt is made of leather.
    • Snap is worn to the left of the wearer.
    • Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.
    For level three certification (if applicable):
    • Edges are undyed.

     

     
      Jodhpur Trousers, black
    For 501st approval:
    • Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic and hat.
    • Trousers are flared jodphur style.
    • Pockets are acceptable, although they are not visible with the tunic on. 
     

     

      Officer Boots
    For 501st approval:
    • Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material.
      • Rubber is not acceptable.
      • PVC or synthetic material is allowed as long as it gives the appearance of leather.
    • There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration.
    • Boots have conservative heels.
    • If zippers are present, they are hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft, and are not visible from the front, outside, or back.
    • The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style. 

     

    For level two certification (if applicable):
    • Boots do not have a zipper.
    For level three certification (if applicable):
    • Boots are made of leather.
    • Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.

     

     
    Optional Accessories

    Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below.

     
      Belt Boxes
    For 501st approval:
    • Belt boxes are made of metal.
    • Dimensions are approximately 2 1/2" (63.5 mm) by 3 1/2" (88.9 mm) by 1" (25.4 mm) thick.
    • Two boxes are worn, one on either side of the belt, worn vertically.
    • Placement of the screw / rivet for the belt boxes should be on the top and bottom. 

     

    For level two certification (if applicable):
    • Belt boxes should include a lid on back of the box.
    For level three certification (if applicable):
    • Belt box, code cylinder, and rank badge combination is consistent with ANH Staff officers.

     

     

     

      Black Gauntlet Gloves
    For 501st approval:
    • Black, leather or leather-like, enclosed fingered, non-textured, (normal leather grain/texture/lines are acceptable) fitted gauntlet style.
    • No buckles, straps, or decorative stitching.
    • Three straight lines, on the back of the hand (that match some references), are optional. 

     

    For level two certification (if applicable):
    • Gloves are made of leather.
    For level three certification (if applicable):
    • Gauntlets slightly flair-out, upward from the wrist to the mid-forearm.

     

     

     

      MerrSonn Power5 Blaster
    For 501st approval:
    • Scratch built or high-end prop replica based on a Mauser C96, M712, or M617. 

     

    For level two certification (if applicable):
    • Blaster is based on a Mauser C96 or M172, or replica thereof.
    For level three certification (if applicable):
    • Blaster is based on a Mauser C96 in 7.63 caliber or replica thereof.
    • Blaster does not have a detachable magazine.
    • There is a square shape on the body above the left side of the handle.

     

     
      DH-17 Blaster
    For 501st approval:
    • Scratch built or high-end prop replica. 
     

     

      Blaster Holster
    For 501st approval:
    • Outer circumference of holster is curved around the basic shape of the blaster.
    • Holster has two belt loops, made of the same color/material as the holster.
      • Holster is not present if no weapon is carried with the costume. 

     

    For level two certification (if applicable):
    • Holster is chestnut brown in color.
      • Not black.
    • Holster has a form-fitting contour around the blaster itself.
    For level three certification (if applicable):
    • Holster is worn on the right side.

    Governor Pryce in armour

    in Rebels

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, GDMorti said:


    I know at least two people who are building (and offering for sale) Rebels chest armour! I think Thrawn's specifically :) 

     

    Encourage them to document their work and take lots of pictures of the finished product so that we can make with the words and whatnot. :)

    Governor Pryce in armour

    in Rebels

    Posted

    We (LMO Team) will not be creating new CRL's of the same costumes for another Detachment just to account for battle armor.  If the LMO Team is different next year, of course that opinion may change, but as it stands now, battle armor on these characters will be optional accessories on their current CRL's.  And the CRL's are not moving to another detachment.

     

    Assuming anyone actually makes said battle armor.

    Rebels' Era Grand Admiral Trawn CRL discussion (inc generic Grand Admiral)

    in New CRLs

    Posted

    14 hours ago, Bcarp100 said:

    Glad to see the CRL is finished. A little bummed there wasent a credit for everyone that poured their blood sweat and tears into it as promised, but at least it’s done. Thanks to everyone that helped. 

    No need for that.  On the initial CRL published yesterday, both you and Vanya were credited in the CRL, as I promised.  When it was edited several hours later to reflect Vanyas brand new legion id, the template reverted, bugging out.  It will be addressed when I get home.  No intentional breaking of promises, just a simple IT issue.

     

    8 hours ago, Exaldear said:

    Whose pistol model did you use? Just curious.

     

    Brooks.

     

    Governor Pryce in armour

    in Rebels

    Posted

    ACD got the General Veers costume (transformed into AT-AT Commander) because he commanded the AT-AT forces.  That was before my time, and I'll not comment on whether or not I agree with it.  Nor do I particularly wish to rehash that debate.

     

    That does not mean that every single officer costume with battle armor necessarily goes to ACD.  Their mandate, specifically is " ... facilitates the Research, Archiving, Development & Creation for all Imperial Ground Assault Vehicle Operators/Commanders of the Star Wars saga."  Not "Anyone with officer uniform and chest armor"  :)

     

    In the case of these officers such as Rebels Thrawn, Pryce, etc, that already have existing costumes represented, they are seen donning battle armor once or twice on screen, and not specifically and only to command ground assault vehicles.  It makes more sense to me, and the current LMO Team, to simply add in said Battle Armor as an optional accessory to their respective CRL.  Once someone actually make it to reference, that is.

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