Rhaethe

I don't think you have much to worry about there.  If you look at my answer more carefully, I state that there was a breakdown of communication at that time, but I felt that it has been resolved since then.  As in, yes, something was broken communication wise.  It's been fixed well before now though.  That isn't to say that communication cannot always be improved!  It can.  A rolling "IMPENDING CHANGES RAWR" thread might be beneficial, although I kind of have that now with my ongoing worklist thread that I keep posted here.  Worth consideration, at any rate.
 
 
That particular forum has seen no action since April that was not already discussed / reflected in any of the detachment wide forums already.  Outside of a couple grammar correction requests.  And a BoStaff accessory addition request for the Kallus guy.  
 
The work process flow that should be happening as in regards to CRL's I have already outlined elsewhere:  But it generally goes like this:
 
Detachment dreams it up, beats it up, comes to Consensus > Detachment Leader and XO  submit to LMO > LMO writes and/or edits, makes final arbitration, publishes.
 
Some Dets don't work exactly like that.  An LMO can insert themselves anywhere in that process to speed things up, if necessary.  I, personally, am completionist to a fault.  My tendency is to continually push to get things done and handled so I can go on to the next thing.  I also am far more hands on with the IOC than I am the other Dets I am assigned. But, admittedly, IOC has far more going on.   Sometimes this can be considered "too fast" and things may seem to happen too quickly.  Not everyone is able to get on the forums like myself or others can.   This is something for me to work on.
 
 

Time out.  Happy happy peoples! 
 
For what it is worth, there is a whole other board that cannot be seen by all members for a team of folks called the CRL Team that was appointed at beginning of term if I recall.  Consists of all 20+ IOC Advisors, Detachment Staff, and some others.  Forget who.  That is where the matter was discussed.  The proposal was made by a GML from Ireland (if I recall) and was commented one by some (not a lot), viewed by many / all in the group, but not actually disputed by anyone, other than specific spelling / wording to use.   That would likely be why the matter was considered sorted.
 
I did not participate in the discussion then, as during said discussion, there was no dissent that I could see, and my concern at the time was:  "As long as the detachment has consensus."  Which there appeared to be.  
 
In retrospect, there was a breakdown in communication when all that happened.  Between detachment and me, mainly, and I'll take responsibility for that.  I personally believe that has been since rectified as in regards to LMO/Detachment process, however, and transparency of edits/corrections. 
 
Going forward!
 
Looking at the Wiki, the current CRL for the staff rankbar no longer requires a single bar.  If it still says it does on your screen, web caching still has not cascaded out for you.  It soon will.
 
LMO's typically do not get involved with Excellence Levels programs.  Except to sanity check.
 
My particular opinion as in regards to rankbars on Staff officer is so:  I have absolutely no problem in saying that L1 Staff Officer should allow for whatever rankbar, due to whatever reference.  You got a reference, have a rankbar! 
 
The problem to be resolved is how to answer "What is more accurate for L2/L3?"  which, as @Mac says above (and whom should NOT be made to feel bad for making the proposal) is really hard to answer ... because really, that really  depends on the exact reference you are looking at.
 
 

Ultimately it comes down to the original generic line and staff officer CRL's being an amalgamation of BOTH of the following:
 
-- Generic CRL meant to cover all source (Movie, game, eu, etc) references for staff and line officers, so that 30 different CRL's based upon provenance aren't required --- AND --- 
-- CRL only based on movie source (canon vs non canon and varying peoples changing definition thereof)
 
It isn't a smooth mixture, and one that happened (with the best of intentions) over time. 
 
In this specific instance, if one takes into account all of the EU/Legends/Movie/Game/ etc material and say that those references are OK, then double-bar black officers are OK, too.  If, however, you only look at the OT movies and require screen accuracy of those, then double-bar black officer would not be OK.  
 
The solution is not to patchwork things. That is, sure, one could attempt to address the internal conflict within the CRL itself by a quick edit and hand-waving.  It does not, however, help create a methodology behind CRL's for the IOC to be able to move forward on.  That is something I will be opening up a discussion on soonish ... as I am mutli-tasking at work at present.
 
 

Ultimately it comes down to the original generic line and staff officer CRL's being an amalgamation of BOTH of the following:
 
-- Generic CRL meant to cover all source (Movie, game, eu, etc) references for staff and line officers, so that 30 different CRL's based upon provenance aren't required --- AND --- 
-- CRL only based on movie source (canon vs non canon and varying peoples changing definition thereof)
 
It isn't a smooth mixture, and one that happened (with the best of intentions) over time. 
 
In this specific instance, if one takes into account all of the EU/Legends/Movie/Game/ etc material and say that those references are OK, then double-bar black officers are OK, too.  If, however, you only look at the OT movies and require screen accuracy of those, then double-bar black officer would not be OK.  
 
The solution is not to patchwork things. That is, sure, one could attempt to address the internal conflict within the CRL itself by a quick edit and hand-waving.  It does not, however, help create a methodology behind CRL's for the IOC to be able to move forward on.  That is something I will be opening up a discussion on soonish ... as I am mutli-tasking at work at present.
 
 

LMO's and LWM's (and some LFA's) also have access to help fix things.  Try local, first, but contacting support@501st.com is always an option ... make sure to give your ID #, name, Garrison name, and what the problem is. 

Aha! Yes I think there are gonna be a few additions to the "email me!" list haha! I'm slowly getting the hang of this place.
True not all of the discussion (dont take my word for it lol!), but a big chunk of it! Again I struggled to keep up with things  here (and arrived late to the game!)
I think that's one of the biggest peeves with the CRL, the wording and language were off, misleading, confusing. It's SO MUCH clearer now, sizes in approximations, a lot of the unknown "exacts" are gone. Definitely a change for the better, this one. <3

Hey
 
It was announced in Announcements, I believe and announced the additions as well as textual clarifications.
 
 
 
I would hazard a guess that it would be easier for you to subscribe to Announcement forum maybe?    
 
I am not aware that all the discussion concerning it happened in this thread, but will trust you on that if you say it did
 
As for a changelog for this specific CRL, I can tell you that it got a language overhaul that did not change most of the substance, per se`, but made the intent clearer (hopefully), particularly around the cape specs.  Modesty panel acceptable but no longer required.  What and exactly how many fasteners people use to fasten the cape to the shoulders  is no longer specified.   The belt may hang, but isn't required to hang.  Exactly how many panels or sections the cape has is no longer specified/required.  Those are the big things I remember off the top of my head, outside of the accessory and flashback additions.

Updated September 29, 2017

Hello!  Friendly neighborhood LMO here
 
I have a punchlist of CRL work going with IOC Staff that I keep updated.  I thought it would be beneficial for the detachment members at large to see the sorts of things we have completed, are working on, and are planning to work on.
 
I will keep both threads updated, and notify when updates occur
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
~C

LMO Hat On
 
I will clarify what may cause confusion with some.
 
Folks are more than welcome to open a WIP or CRL Discussion thread and discuss and tweak and adjust and write and dissect a potential CRL as much as they want.  However.  Until someone actually produces a real build, we (in the LMO office) won't be accepting just the text as a submission for publication.  That is what @captsafe66 was trying to get across, I believe.  He is also, I expect, attempting to be cautious in the face of references that aren't awesome.  The initial picture(s) are cool, but need to see the whole costume, preferably.  Too many odd details on just the stuff we do see to make reasonable assumptions on the rest.  If no further references come out, I doubt it will become a CRL, no matter how many months folks spend dissecting his headshot
 
Once upon a time LMO's wrote and accepted text CRL's without associated builds.  CRL's were also written somewhat haphazardly.  Is why you see a bunch of "This is an Unfinished Document" CRL's scattered about.  This went on for years.  
 
In Dec 2015 / Jan 2016, however, a change to the OP (Operating Protocols) was voted on and approved by Legion Council and then the Membership.  This change stipulates, amongst other things, that New to Legion costumes can only be added into the Database / Databank if these three things are present:
 
-Be judged as acceptable for inclusion as a new costume by LMO
-There is at least one completed costume build of it  that is judged as acceptable by GML/Detachment/LMO
-There is completed text for the CRL and acceptable images of the completed build
 
Without all those things, it will not get published and added to the DB.  LMO Office is operating as commanded by OP.
 
The desire is for folks in the detachments to work together, both developing the text and the costume ... as a community.  The person with the build should also be working with their local GML.  On the main Legion boards, there is an ongoing thread the GML's know to post to concerning New to Legion/Missing CRL things.  And then said Detachment and/or GML submits it to me/us ... and we do our thing.
 
Hopefully this clarifies things for folks.  I also hope that it sets realistic expectations. 
 
As for Versio, I am holding judgement on how his costume will be handled, until I get my hands on more references. I will keep an eye on this thread. 
 
 
~C
 
 

You are welcome.  As an LMO, it's my job   
 
I think we're pending on another photo, since one of the ones that got picked wasn't working out (technical glitching)  but it is in progress.
 
You will not see the Battle Gear in the final published CRL, however ... until someone actually makes some.  But it is an approved to be added as an accessory by the IOC when someone does.
 
 
And yes, am quite better than what I was ... I can breathe now 
 
~C

You are welcome.  As an LMO, it's my job   
 
I think we're pending on another photo, since one of the ones that got picked wasn't working out (technical glitching)  but it is in progress.
 
You will not see the Battle Gear in the final published CRL, however ... until someone actually makes some.  But it is an approved to be added as an accessory by the IOC when someone does.
 
 
And yes, am quite better than what I was ... I can breathe now 
 
~C

Is everyone satisfied with that design as compared to the references?

LMO Hat On
 
I will clarify what may cause confusion with some.
 
Folks are more than welcome to open a WIP or CRL Discussion thread and discuss and tweak and adjust and write and dissect a potential CRL as much as they want.  However.  Until someone actually produces a real build, we (in the LMO office) won't be accepting just the text as a submission for publication.  That is what @captsafe66 was trying to get across, I believe.  He is also, I expect, attempting to be cautious in the face of references that aren't awesome.  The initial picture(s) are cool, but need to see the whole costume, preferably.  Too many odd details on just the stuff we do see to make reasonable assumptions on the rest.  If no further references come out, I doubt it will become a CRL, no matter how many months folks spend dissecting his headshot
 
Once upon a time LMO's wrote and accepted text CRL's without associated builds.  CRL's were also written somewhat haphazardly.  Is why you see a bunch of "This is an Unfinished Document" CRL's scattered about.  This went on for years.  
 
In Dec 2015 / Jan 2016, however, a change to the OP (Operating Protocols) was voted on and approved by Legion Council and then the Membership.  This change stipulates, amongst other things, that New to Legion costumes can only be added into the Database / Databank if these three things are present:
 
-Be judged as acceptable for inclusion as a new costume by LMO
-There is at least one completed costume build of it  that is judged as acceptable by GML/Detachment/LMO
-There is completed text for the CRL and acceptable images of the completed build
 
Without all those things, it will not get published and added to the DB.  LMO Office is operating as commanded by OP.
 
The desire is for folks in the detachments to work together, both developing the text and the costume ... as a community.  The person with the build should also be working with their local GML.  On the main Legion boards, there is an ongoing thread the GML's know to post to concerning New to Legion/Missing CRL things.  And then said Detachment and/or GML submits it to me/us ... and we do our thing.
 
Hopefully this clarifies things for folks.  I also hope that it sets realistic expectations. 
 
As for Versio, I am holding judgement on how his costume will be handled, until I get my hands on more references. I will keep an eye on this thread. 
 
 
~C
 
 

LMO Hat On
 
I will clarify what may cause confusion with some.
 
Folks are more than welcome to open a WIP or CRL Discussion thread and discuss and tweak and adjust and write and dissect a potential CRL as much as they want.  However.  Until someone actually produces a real build, we (in the LMO office) won't be accepting just the text as a submission for publication.  That is what @captsafe66 was trying to get across, I believe.  He is also, I expect, attempting to be cautious in the face of references that aren't awesome.  The initial picture(s) are cool, but need to see the whole costume, preferably.  Too many odd details on just the stuff we do see to make reasonable assumptions on the rest.  If no further references come out, I doubt it will become a CRL, no matter how many months folks spend dissecting his headshot
 
Once upon a time LMO's wrote and accepted text CRL's without associated builds.  CRL's were also written somewhat haphazardly.  Is why you see a bunch of "This is an Unfinished Document" CRL's scattered about.  This went on for years.  
 
In Dec 2015 / Jan 2016, however, a change to the OP (Operating Protocols) was voted on and approved by Legion Council and then the Membership.  This change stipulates, amongst other things, that New to Legion costumes can only be added into the Database / Databank if these three things are present:
 
-Be judged as acceptable for inclusion as a new costume by LMO
-There is at least one completed costume build of it  that is judged as acceptable by GML/Detachment/LMO
-There is completed text for the CRL and acceptable images of the completed build
 
Without all those things, it will not get published and added to the DB.  LMO Office is operating as commanded by OP.
 
The desire is for folks in the detachments to work together, both developing the text and the costume ... as a community.  The person with the build should also be working with their local GML.  On the main Legion boards, there is an ongoing thread the GML's know to post to concerning New to Legion/Missing CRL things.  And then said Detachment and/or GML submits it to me/us ... and we do our thing.
 
Hopefully this clarifies things for folks.  I also hope that it sets realistic expectations. 
 
As for Versio, I am holding judgement on how his costume will be handled, until I get my hands on more references. I will keep an eye on this thread. 
 
 
~C
 
 

LMO Hat On
 
I will clarify what may cause confusion with some.
 
Folks are more than welcome to open a WIP or CRL Discussion thread and discuss and tweak and adjust and write and dissect a potential CRL as much as they want.  However.  Until someone actually produces a real build, we (in the LMO office) won't be accepting just the text as a submission for publication.  That is what @captsafe66 was trying to get across, I believe.  He is also, I expect, attempting to be cautious in the face of references that aren't awesome.  The initial picture(s) are cool, but need to see the whole costume, preferably.  Too many odd details on just the stuff we do see to make reasonable assumptions on the rest.  If no further references come out, I doubt it will become a CRL, no matter how many months folks spend dissecting his headshot
 
Once upon a time LMO's wrote and accepted text CRL's without associated builds.  CRL's were also written somewhat haphazardly.  Is why you see a bunch of "This is an Unfinished Document" CRL's scattered about.  This went on for years.  
 
In Dec 2015 / Jan 2016, however, a change to the OP (Operating Protocols) was voted on and approved by Legion Council and then the Membership.  This change stipulates, amongst other things, that New to Legion costumes can only be added into the Database / Databank if these three things are present:
 
-Be judged as acceptable for inclusion as a new costume by LMO
-There is at least one completed costume build of it  that is judged as acceptable by GML/Detachment/LMO
-There is completed text for the CRL and acceptable images of the completed build
 
Without all those things, it will not get published and added to the DB.  LMO Office is operating as commanded by OP.
 
The desire is for folks in the detachments to work together, both developing the text and the costume ... as a community.  The person with the build should also be working with their local GML.  On the main Legion boards, there is an ongoing thread the GML's know to post to concerning New to Legion/Missing CRL things.  And then said Detachment and/or GML submits it to me/us ... and we do our thing.
 
Hopefully this clarifies things for folks.  I also hope that it sets realistic expectations. 
 
As for Versio, I am holding judgement on how his costume will be handled, until I get my hands on more references. I will keep an eye on this thread. 
 
 
~C
 
 

trying out XD 

Updated September 21, 2017

It makes more sences to have it as a same design. It makes it easy for the movie people to sew it in a mass. Because for them half of the time you can not see them or they are getting blow up. XD 

Yes, this.  Brain saw it, fingers had troubles describing
 
 
 
Yes, much easier.  
 
 
(THANK YOU COSTUME GODS FOR ONLY BEING ONE DAMN COAT)

As per the update posted here :  http://www.imperialofficer.com/forum/index.php?/topic/8723-rebels-thrawn-crl-pics/&page=2#comment-112880
 
 
 
 
And yes, I am still sick. 2 weeks of insomnia, antibiotics and feeling-like-ass is no fun.  However.  Pictures  have been processed, and the CRL was sent over to the head LMO for final review and publication.  No timeline on that, as he is overseas on business at the moment.
 
~C

For what it's worth, ESB IN wore jodphurs / riding boots.  Cannot remember if RotJ ones did.

Friendly neighborhood LMO here.
 
There has been a wealth of references submitted here.  The LMO Team has went through every piece of it, including the things uploaded just yesterday.  I will emphasize that from our perspective that when we decided if any specific reference was useable or not, we did not do so with the mindset of attempting to prove the existence of the character in the Star Wars Universe.  It definitely exists.  Nor were we concerned over the references being EU or Legends sourced.  After all, we do have a Detachment that specializes in such.
 
The mindset we had when reviewing the material was trying to establish a common, replicatable, and uniform costume.  With that in mind, a good 80% of the material cannot be used for our (Legion's) purposes.  However, of the remaining 20% of material (which is still a good bit, mind you), the references are clear, show uniformity, show full length back/side/front, show detail.
 
Yes, we will make a CRL of the character: Imperial Army Trooper.  
 
However.  It will not be exactly what the first pass was in recreating it.  The LMO Team, thus far, has determined that a good baseline of what the character uses as a consistency base is the harness, suit, belt, helmet.  Other items may be added as optional accessories, but we will get to that when we get to it
 
We are placing this in No Detachment Affiliation for the time being, and the LMO Team will work with Tarrif (and others, if any are) directly on the production of the costume, first,  to match the acceptable references, and then secondly, create the CRL based on that.
 
 
~C

On behalf of the Command staff I would like to thank those that submitted pictures 

Current Update:  I've been on obligatory family vacation, and then I've been (still am) sick, so this has been lagging a bit.  Apologies for that.
 
However, IOC leadership has chosen what pictures they wish to use for the CRL and submitted them to us.  (LMO Team).
 
The final CRL overall will be using a mix of pictures from rattleandburn (Vanya) and Bcarp100 (Brooks) and will be credited accordingly.
 
Once the pics get processed and inserted (this is in progress) then the CRL will be turned over to the Head LMO for final review and publishing.