Rhaethe

Allrighty then.  Hi!  One of six LMO's here.  I'm Cari.
 
This has got to have been one of the most difficult CRL's I've worked on.  Less technically difficult and far more emotionally difficult.  The character is so well loved, so highly invested in, and so entrenched into our Star Wars culture from such a variety of media.  As an LMO, I and the rest of the LMO team want  to do justice to the costumer, the source, the character itself.  In trying so very hard to not disappoint and upset anyone, by not wishing to go too fast OR too slow ... mistakes were made and we're left with a whole heap of upset.  My boss, Brager, took a mea culpa, but I rightfully am taking one also.  The IOC is one of my assigned detachments and I am just as responsible.  
 
Now.  I've taken a very long and exhausting think about this costume and the CRL.  I have discovered a few things and come to the conclusion of a few things.  The first is that this particular costume is fraught with the subtleties of perception.  What I mean by that is:  the character itself has been represented for so long in such a myriad of ways way before being brought to the Rebels animation, that each of our own mind's eyes have notions of his characteristics that color our perception ... that shade what we see and perceive.
 
An example:  When you see him on Rebels, you stare and swear that his hair is black sometimes in certain light (just like some of those EU book covers or artworks) or maybe blue-black sometimes, like he's described in the 2017 novel ... instead of the dark blue it actually is throughout the Rebels cartoon, regardless of light.  It is really harder than one might think to focus so strictly on just the very specific source reference and not let details get filled in by the minds' eye from elsewhere.  Or, perhaps, you focus TOO hard on the Rebels costume only, and therefore try to replicate the animation so exactly that your animation to real-world translations seem a bit weird, silly, or hard to understand as a result.
 
The second thing that I realized is that this character IS so well loved, IS so strongly invested in ... that regardless of everyone's best intentions, there will be hurt feelings, bruised pride, and possibly even money lost on costuming that needs redone or has been redone multiple times.  It is because of these things that I will admit to inaction and a lack of decisiveness.  But the fact of the matter is, while it is not my job to make everyone happy, it is my job to ensure that we have standards for a costume that is both accessible to your average costumer as well as as accurate as it can be.  It is a balancing act.  My first attempt at shepherding this through failed, and I will own that.  I will also own the repair.  
 
The text of this CRL is being given a thorough audit versus the reference material (i.e. Rebels screengrabs and videos).  And extra time and care and multiple eyes upon it to absolutely make sure that preconception does not color perception.  Having already started that audit, I can tell you that Basic Acceptance Levels Text WILL be changing. As Brager said, those already approved will remain approved, and as the CRL currently states, any current applicants are on hold / must be approved by LMO.  I absolutely know that I will be upsetting some people with some of the changes made.  Please know and understand that I am making these with thought, care, and a heart that is racing and a wee voice in the back of my head saying "THEY ARE GOING TO TORCH MEEEEEEE".  
 
I kid.  Not really.  Well, just a little.
 
Generally, LMO's do not concern ourselves with L2/L3 reqs and programs.  Those are for the detachment to determine, although  we will likely make suggestions on the L2/3's on this particular CRL, as in regards to wordsmithing and clarifications.
 
I should be posting the text prior to final publish in the next day or so.  
 
Going forward, please do know and understand that, ideally, new CRL creation is supposed to be a community effort played out for all to take part in on the Detachment forums.  Not in private FB chats, not in Instagram, not on a member's FB page or group. That is not to say that those things cannot occur, but the LMO team can only focus our attention square on the forums of the detachments we are assigned.  Too much else splits things everywhere and it is hard to keep track.  In years past it was different, perhaps.  Even on this forum, there were multiple threads in multiple places on this CRL ... some in places everyone could see, some in places that were more closed.  Going forward, I will be damn sure to be keep things herded into one location, and a partner LMO is going to join me to help shoulder some of the multi-tasking required.  This whole thing is new to a lot of folks.  I can only hope that we all learn a little positive something from the experience.
 
Yours ever so humbly and sincerely ...
 
~C

Allrighty then.  Hi!  One of six LMO's here.  I'm Cari.
 
This has got to have been one of the most difficult CRL's I've worked on.  Less technically difficult and far more emotionally difficult.  The character is so well loved, so highly invested in, and so entrenched into our Star Wars culture from such a variety of media.  As an LMO, I and the rest of the LMO team want  to do justice to the costumer, the source, the character itself.  In trying so very hard to not disappoint and upset anyone, by not wishing to go too fast OR too slow ... mistakes were made and we're left with a whole heap of upset.  My boss, Brager, took a mea culpa, but I rightfully am taking one also.  The IOC is one of my assigned detachments and I am just as responsible.  
 
Now.  I've taken a very long and exhausting think about this costume and the CRL.  I have discovered a few things and come to the conclusion of a few things.  The first is that this particular costume is fraught with the subtleties of perception.  What I mean by that is:  the character itself has been represented for so long in such a myriad of ways way before being brought to the Rebels animation, that each of our own mind's eyes have notions of his characteristics that color our perception ... that shade what we see and perceive.
 
An example:  When you see him on Rebels, you stare and swear that his hair is black sometimes in certain light (just like some of those EU book covers or artworks) or maybe blue-black sometimes, like he's described in the 2017 novel ... instead of the dark blue it actually is throughout the Rebels cartoon, regardless of light.  It is really harder than one might think to focus so strictly on just the very specific source reference and not let details get filled in by the minds' eye from elsewhere.  Or, perhaps, you focus TOO hard on the Rebels costume only, and therefore try to replicate the animation so exactly that your animation to real-world translations seem a bit weird, silly, or hard to understand as a result.
 
The second thing that I realized is that this character IS so well loved, IS so strongly invested in ... that regardless of everyone's best intentions, there will be hurt feelings, bruised pride, and possibly even money lost on costuming that needs redone or has been redone multiple times.  It is because of these things that I will admit to inaction and a lack of decisiveness.  But the fact of the matter is, while it is not my job to make everyone happy, it is my job to ensure that we have standards for a costume that is both accessible to your average costumer as well as as accurate as it can be.  It is a balancing act.  My first attempt at shepherding this through failed, and I will own that.  I will also own the repair.  
 
The text of this CRL is being given a thorough audit versus the reference material (i.e. Rebels screengrabs and videos).  And extra time and care and multiple eyes upon it to absolutely make sure that preconception does not color perception.  Having already started that audit, I can tell you that Basic Acceptance Levels Text WILL be changing. As Brager said, those already approved will remain approved, and as the CRL currently states, any current applicants are on hold / must be approved by LMO.  I absolutely know that I will be upsetting some people with some of the changes made.  Please know and understand that I am making these with thought, care, and a heart that is racing and a wee voice in the back of my head saying "THEY ARE GOING TO TORCH MEEEEEEE".  
 
I kid.  Not really.  Well, just a little.
 
Generally, LMO's do not concern ourselves with L2/L3 reqs and programs.  Those are for the detachment to determine, although  we will likely make suggestions on the L2/3's on this particular CRL, as in regards to wordsmithing and clarifications.
 
I should be posting the text prior to final publish in the next day or so.  
 
Going forward, please do know and understand that, ideally, new CRL creation is supposed to be a community effort played out for all to take part in on the Detachment forums.  Not in private FB chats, not in Instagram, not on a member's FB page or group. That is not to say that those things cannot occur, but the LMO team can only focus our attention square on the forums of the detachments we are assigned.  Too much else splits things everywhere and it is hard to keep track.  In years past it was different, perhaps.  Even on this forum, there were multiple threads in multiple places on this CRL ... some in places everyone could see, some in places that were more closed.  Going forward, I will be damn sure to be keep things herded into one location, and a partner LMO is going to join me to help shoulder some of the multi-tasking required.  This whole thing is new to a lot of folks.  I can only hope that we all learn a little positive something from the experience.
 
Yours ever so humbly and sincerely ...
 
~C

On removing the embossed logo, I have had a decent amount of success with the following:
 
Get a steam iron and a towel, and do this in bathroom or kitchen
 
Turn on iron to steam at cotton (or other high equivalent) setting.
Place towel over embossed bit on boot
Press steam iron on area for around 1-2 minutes
Remove towel and let "air" a couple moments
Go to bathroom or kitchen sink and turn on hot tap water (let it get really hot)
Run embossed area under water 1-2 minutes
Dry with towel, applying uniform pressure 
Repeat process around 5 times  (may take more times)

Updated 6/1/2017

Hello!  Friendly neighborhood LMO here
 
I have a punchlist of CRL work going with IOC Staff that I keep updated.  I thought it would be beneficial for the detachment members at large to see the sorts of things we have completed, are working on, and are planning to work on.
 
I will keep both threads updated, and notify when updates occur
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
~C

So.  I have not spent hours looking at the screencaps  nor have I done color pick comparisons.  However, I will agree with Kris in that Konstantine is not in a typical OT line officer "olive".  It is darker and has more brown tones to it, and no grey tone at all.
 
A part of me suspects that the artists and animators intentionally distinguish their face characters with these little flourishes ... Thrawn's (useless) Arm seams, Pryce being in dark grey, Konstantine and Tarkin in olive-brown instead of olive-grey, Kallus in armor and uniform that is unique, insignia bits on Konstantine's hat .... all to make them look interesting and memorable.
 
Which.  Is cool.  But also slightly frustrating
 
 
Edite to add:  I also really dislike how the rankbars and code cylinders render in screencaps, as far as color.  Instead of metallic, they take on the color of the tunic they are on, with a little silver metal edge.  

Galen Erso Imperial R&D is on the docket for review to make sure it can be CRL'd.

Basic will have a seam to represent the line.  With language added in basic to allow for whatever is decided upon for L2/3 as an "or" option, mostly to keep things clear for the costumer and GML.  Be it piping or slot seams or whatever it is you decide upon.  
 
Representing the line is not at issue. Representing the line is a basic detail and has bee done.  What appears to be at issue is agreement on how much extra emphasis this line gets in the animation, how much of that to reflect real world, and by what method to do so.  That is a L2/3 detail, as agreed upon by IOC DL and LMO yesterday.
 
L2/3 programs are detachment specific, and not universal.  LMO staff typically do not get involved in such.  The rest of this CRL appears to be not in question, and us halting the process while the detachment debates on how to handle an L2/3 detail is not a preferred option.  (Yes, a Det can add in or change L2/3 things to the CRL when they like.  )
 
To keep things clear and tidy, could a secondary thread be created concerning this, and debate on that specific L2/3 item localized there?

So.  I have not spent hours looking at the screencaps  nor have I done color pick comparisons.  However, I will agree with Kris in that Konstantine is not in a typical OT line officer "olive".  It is darker and has more brown tones to it, and no grey tone at all.
 
A part of me suspects that the artists and animators intentionally distinguish their face characters with these little flourishes ... Thrawn's (useless) Arm seams, Pryce being in dark grey, Konstantine and Tarkin in olive-brown instead of olive-grey, Kallus in armor and uniform that is unique, insignia bits on Konstantine's hat .... all to make them look interesting and memorable.
 
Which.  Is cool.  But also slightly frustrating
 
 
Edite to add:  I also really dislike how the rankbars and code cylinders render in screencaps, as far as color.  Instead of metallic, they take on the color of the tunic they are on, with a little silver metal edge.  

Hello!  Friendly neighborhood LMO here
 
I have a punchlist of CRL work going with IOC Staff that I keep updated.  I thought it would be beneficial for the detachment members at large to see the sorts of things we have completed, are working on, and are planning to work on.
 
I will keep both threads updated, and notify when updates occur
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
~C

Could throw the descriptor "flat" in there somewhere

Though as I think about it, should likely make the wording for Thrawn and Pryce match as closely as possible, for consistency on the show.

ok got a better picture color of the fabric for the below part. I used the left over on this. 

Just a testing wear on it. At least kind of clean up more of the errors (from the inside)

But the color is more like the first picture or third picture on top. 

Will do.  Just feels like a fun addition to look into.

Hello!  Friendly neighborhood LMO here
 
I have a punchlist of CRL work going with IOC Staff that I keep updated.  I thought it would be beneficial for the detachment members at large to see the sorts of things we have completed, are working on, and are planning to work on.
 
I will keep both threads updated, and notify when updates occur
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
~C

Thank you, Cari!

Friendly neighborhood LMO here.
 
There has been a wealth of references submitted here.  The LMO Team has went through every piece of it, including the things uploaded just yesterday.  I will emphasize that from our perspective that when we decided if any specific reference was useable or not, we did not do so with the mindset of attempting to prove the existence of the character in the Star Wars Universe.  It definitely exists.  Nor were we concerned over the references being EU or Legends sourced.  After all, we do have a Detachment that specializes in such.
 
The mindset we had when reviewing the material was trying to establish a common, replicatable, and uniform costume.  With that in mind, a good 80% of the material cannot be used for our (Legion's) purposes.  However, of the remaining 20% of material (which is still a good bit, mind you), the references are clear, show uniformity, show full length back/side/front, show detail.
 
Yes, we will make a CRL of the character: Imperial Army Trooper.  
 
However.  It will not be exactly what the first pass was in recreating it.  The LMO Team, thus far, has determined that a good baseline of what the character uses as a consistency base is the harness, suit, belt, helmet.  Other items may be added as optional accessories, but we will get to that when we get to it
 
We are placing this in No Detachment Affiliation for the time being, and the LMO Team will work with Tarrif (and others, if any are) directly on the production of the costume, first,  to match the acceptable references, and then secondly, create the CRL based on that.
 
 
~C

To be clear:
 
A "generic" FO General based off of Hux is fine, and what was done.
 
A "generic" FO officer of any other rank based off of Hux is a no-go at this time.  Non generals on screen have different uniforms than Hux / Generals.  Ep8 may show something different, who knows.
 
This kept getting conflated in conversations on the topic, unfortunately, and is perhaps why some folks got confused and checked out.  However, as the LMO assigned to help the IOC shepherd their CRL's, I've been quite clear with folks on what CRL's needing working on and in which priority.  
 
So far, since the beginning of term (March as you say) IOC CRL's that have been published include Pryce, FO Gen, and very soon, CW Animated Tarkin.  And four other CRL's about to start the publishing process (Erso, R1-ISB edits, Rebels Thrawn, Krennic edits and new accessories).
 
That is a fair amount of work in just 2 months.  Especially in an all-volunteer organization.  To be fair

Friendly neighborhood LMO here.
 
There has been a wealth of references submitted here.  The LMO Team has went through every piece of it, including the things uploaded just yesterday.  I will emphasize that from our perspective that when we decided if any specific reference was useable or not, we did not do so with the mindset of attempting to prove the existence of the character in the Star Wars Universe.  It definitely exists.  Nor were we concerned over the references being EU or Legends sourced.  After all, we do have a Detachment that specializes in such.
 
The mindset we had when reviewing the material was trying to establish a common, replicatable, and uniform costume.  With that in mind, a good 80% of the material cannot be used for our (Legion's) purposes.  However, of the remaining 20% of material (which is still a good bit, mind you), the references are clear, show uniformity, show full length back/side/front, show detail.
 
Yes, we will make a CRL of the character: Imperial Army Trooper.  
 
However.  It will not be exactly what the first pass was in recreating it.  The LMO Team, thus far, has determined that a good baseline of what the character uses as a consistency base is the harness, suit, belt, helmet.  Other items may be added as optional accessories, but we will get to that when we get to it
 
We are placing this in No Detachment Affiliation for the time being, and the LMO Team will work with Tarrif (and others, if any are) directly on the production of the costume, first,  to match the acceptable references, and then secondly, create the CRL based on that.
 
 
~C

Friendly neighborhood LMO here.
 
There has been a wealth of references submitted here.  The LMO Team has went through every piece of it, including the things uploaded just yesterday.  I will emphasize that from our perspective that when we decided if any specific reference was useable or not, we did not do so with the mindset of attempting to prove the existence of the character in the Star Wars Universe.  It definitely exists.  Nor were we concerned over the references being EU or Legends sourced.  After all, we do have a Detachment that specializes in such.
 
The mindset we had when reviewing the material was trying to establish a common, replicatable, and uniform costume.  With that in mind, a good 80% of the material cannot be used for our (Legion's) purposes.  However, of the remaining 20% of material (which is still a good bit, mind you), the references are clear, show uniformity, show full length back/side/front, show detail.
 
Yes, we will make a CRL of the character: Imperial Army Trooper.  
 
However.  It will not be exactly what the first pass was in recreating it.  The LMO Team, thus far, has determined that a good baseline of what the character uses as a consistency base is the harness, suit, belt, helmet.  Other items may be added as optional accessories, but we will get to that when we get to it
 
We are placing this in No Detachment Affiliation for the time being, and the LMO Team will work with Tarrif (and others, if any are) directly on the production of the costume, first,  to match the acceptable references, and then secondly, create the CRL based on that.
 
 
~C

Friendly neighborhood LMO here.
 
There has been a wealth of references submitted here.  The LMO Team has went through every piece of it, including the things uploaded just yesterday.  I will emphasize that from our perspective that when we decided if any specific reference was useable or not, we did not do so with the mindset of attempting to prove the existence of the character in the Star Wars Universe.  It definitely exists.  Nor were we concerned over the references being EU or Legends sourced.  After all, we do have a Detachment that specializes in such.
 
The mindset we had when reviewing the material was trying to establish a common, replicatable, and uniform costume.  With that in mind, a good 80% of the material cannot be used for our (Legion's) purposes.  However, of the remaining 20% of material (which is still a good bit, mind you), the references are clear, show uniformity, show full length back/side/front, show detail.
 
Yes, we will make a CRL of the character: Imperial Army Trooper.  
 
However.  It will not be exactly what the first pass was in recreating it.  The LMO Team, thus far, has determined that a good baseline of what the character uses as a consistency base is the harness, suit, belt, helmet.  Other items may be added as optional accessories, but we will get to that when we get to it
 
We are placing this in No Detachment Affiliation for the time being, and the LMO Team will work with Tarrif (and others, if any are) directly on the production of the costume, first,  to match the acceptable references, and then secondly, create the CRL based on that.
 
 
~C

Friendly neighborhood LMO here.
 
There has been a wealth of references submitted here.  The LMO Team has went through every piece of it, including the things uploaded just yesterday.  I will emphasize that from our perspective that when we decided if any specific reference was useable or not, we did not do so with the mindset of attempting to prove the existence of the character in the Star Wars Universe.  It definitely exists.  Nor were we concerned over the references being EU or Legends sourced.  After all, we do have a Detachment that specializes in such.
 
The mindset we had when reviewing the material was trying to establish a common, replicatable, and uniform costume.  With that in mind, a good 80% of the material cannot be used for our (Legion's) purposes.  However, of the remaining 20% of material (which is still a good bit, mind you), the references are clear, show uniformity, show full length back/side/front, show detail.
 
Yes, we will make a CRL of the character: Imperial Army Trooper.  
 
However.  It will not be exactly what the first pass was in recreating it.  The LMO Team, thus far, has determined that a good baseline of what the character uses as a consistency base is the harness, suit, belt, helmet.  Other items may be added as optional accessories, but we will get to that when we get to it
 
We are placing this in No Detachment Affiliation for the time being, and the LMO Team will work with Tarrif (and others, if any are) directly on the production of the costume, first,  to match the acceptable references, and then secondly, create the CRL based on that.
 
 
~C

Friendly neighborhood LMO here.
 
There has been a wealth of references submitted here.  The LMO Team has went through every piece of it, including the things uploaded just yesterday.  I will emphasize that from our perspective that when we decided if any specific reference was useable or not, we did not do so with the mindset of attempting to prove the existence of the character in the Star Wars Universe.  It definitely exists.  Nor were we concerned over the references being EU or Legends sourced.  After all, we do have a Detachment that specializes in such.
 
The mindset we had when reviewing the material was trying to establish a common, replicatable, and uniform costume.  With that in mind, a good 80% of the material cannot be used for our (Legion's) purposes.  However, of the remaining 20% of material (which is still a good bit, mind you), the references are clear, show uniformity, show full length back/side/front, show detail.
 
Yes, we will make a CRL of the character: Imperial Army Trooper.  
 
However.  It will not be exactly what the first pass was in recreating it.  The LMO Team, thus far, has determined that a good baseline of what the character uses as a consistency base is the harness, suit, belt, helmet.  Other items may be added as optional accessories, but we will get to that when we get to it
 
We are placing this in No Detachment Affiliation for the time being, and the LMO Team will work with Tarrif (and others, if any are) directly on the production of the costume, first,  to match the acceptable references, and then secondly, create the CRL based on that.
 
 
~C

Friendly neighborhood LMO here.
 
There has been a wealth of references submitted here.  The LMO Team has went through every piece of it, including the things uploaded just yesterday.  I will emphasize that from our perspective that when we decided if any specific reference was useable or not, we did not do so with the mindset of attempting to prove the existence of the character in the Star Wars Universe.  It definitely exists.  Nor were we concerned over the references being EU or Legends sourced.  After all, we do have a Detachment that specializes in such.
 
The mindset we had when reviewing the material was trying to establish a common, replicatable, and uniform costume.  With that in mind, a good 80% of the material cannot be used for our (Legion's) purposes.  However, of the remaining 20% of material (which is still a good bit, mind you), the references are clear, show uniformity, show full length back/side/front, show detail.
 
Yes, we will make a CRL of the character: Imperial Army Trooper.  
 
However.  It will not be exactly what the first pass was in recreating it.  The LMO Team, thus far, has determined that a good baseline of what the character uses as a consistency base is the harness, suit, belt, helmet.  Other items may be added as optional accessories, but we will get to that when we get to it
 
We are placing this in No Detachment Affiliation for the time being, and the LMO Team will work with Tarrif (and others, if any are) directly on the production of the costume, first,  to match the acceptable references, and then secondly, create the CRL based on that.
 
 
~C