Hux

Thank you so much Mark for your dedication and work with this. It is very appreciated!
 
Some things for folks to keep in mind.... 
 
-We do not make CRLS when there is not a model (someone who has made the costume)
-Please mail LMO@501st.com to ask if a costume could be included into the Legion. We will get back to you in less than a day usually. 
-We do not update things willy nilly, we have to keep a few things in mind that minute details do not need to be added and when possible level 2 and 3 should be utilized. 
-Crls are guides for GMLS to approve costumes, not for makers to use as schematics. 

Thanks for your concern Robert and thanks for the clarification Dawn.
Let me point out that we aren't closing the CRL discussion zone, we are merely moving the meat and potatoes of the process to the CRL team area.  The members of the teams have voiced their desire to keep the members in the loop and they will.  We just can't afford the time dedicated to the occasional over debating of some of the minor details.
The team will bring a draft to the open forum prior to submission to the LMO team.  We are just going to streamline the process.  You are acquainted with the team members and they will be announced very soon. 

Hello Robert! I am so glad and and thankful that you responded. All of us not communicating and not listening to each other and transparency is what landed us all in the situation and Detachment clement we are in today. This is no one persons fault it is all of our faults and I am here to stand up and say I apologize and I will be the first to admit there have been huge mistakes. I hope that moving forward we can forgive (but not forget). 
 
I do not think that is ending and I do not want it to, in fact the charter flat out calls for Membership to assist in the creation of CRLS. So if that were happening we would be in violation of our own rules. 
 
Honestly the detachment is just trying out new things and change is very very much needed and not everything works out but continuing on the path we are currently on will only lead to disaster. This is a huge, passionate and busy Detachment (one of the busiest in fact) and keeping up with all things is hard. 
 
Also I am extremely dinky at times. You may want to ask a question directly to us because I am not seeing it as clearly as perhaps you are and I apologize. 
 
So I hate just rambling off ideas and comments without also offering to help and or suggest something. 
Would it be helpful If we wrote out something that full on explained (in details) what we are looking for in a CRL? 
 
I personally have written one before and it was scrapped as it will take actual Legion Council approval to hit the site itself but I would be very happy if we all could utilize the guide to make informed decisions as a team and work though things in the future. 
 
 
By incorrect do you meant opinion or actual incorrect information? 
-If you mean opinion as described above please post your grievances to the command staff here.
-if its an actual error please mail me.
Do you mean that there are a lot of options? 
Yes, us as LMOS make this choice in the end. We take the basic, most used. most seen part and put that into a CRL.
sometimes optional of like items that occur as often happens. 
We can not (nor should we need to) list every single option that was seen on screen. 
As I said before there were 18 Obi-Wans made and all of them slightly different. 
Just like in the Kylo Ren CRL only the hood up is an option. Why? Cause its most iconic
that is our goal. There is leeway like you will see in the newest Praetorian Guard CRL where you can have two neck options for the collar on the shirt.
Perhaps on some of these that can be looked into 
Correct and that will never stop! In fact you guys are one of my favorite detachments due to the resourcefulness of being able to attain information.
BRAVO! 
 
As CRLS are living documents this will never change as per the charter and op protocol calls out Green lit CRLs are changed infrequently.
 
**Spoiler alert** Major CRL changes sometimes we give a 30 day window as we are with Joeys new officer costume which will be changing another CRL by default with this new information
Anyone and everyone should have a voice in things when possible. Im busy, it cant always happen overnight and I cant throw things into CRLS immediatly. We want to eliminate the wait and speed up the process and cultivate a place of positive action for this detachment.
Also what we REALLY want to do is stop the "dumpster" fire effect. Its been really intense and allowing members to bicker over and over and over and beat dead horses is creating an extremely toxic environment in this Detachment. 
Sorry, rewording what I wrote
 
If you ever feel that you are somehow being silenced please message us at LMO@501st.com
I promise you that will not happen. Its gonna be hard at first learning how to go about this new system but we need change and I support trying things  
 I absolutely agree though even if this forum was removed you know how to get a hold of us. You know you can come to any of us if you have reference images and proof and its a warranted change that it would be added. 
 
 Well, you have no experience with me. Mail me.  
 
Correct. Issues were aired but in far to many cases it turned into fueled dumpster fires. I want to help change that. Which is why I think that showing folks how to write CRLS and why we do what we do is needed. I manage 4 detachments and this one takes up the most time and its time I could have spent fixing CRLS. 
I am literally neck deep mitigating arguments and wading through "opinions" and I manage the Sith Lords so that should be saying something. 
Evaluating how we do things needs to happen.
Its needed to happen for a long time.
Change is hard, trust me I get it. I am just asking that you give us a chance.
 
Thank you,
Dawn
 

Hello Robert! I am so glad and and thankful that you responded. All of us not communicating and not listening to each other and transparency is what landed us all in the situation and Detachment clement we are in today. This is no one persons fault it is all of our faults and I am here to stand up and say I apologize and I will be the first to admit there have been huge mistakes. I hope that moving forward we can forgive (but not forget). 
 
I do not think that is ending and I do not want it to, in fact the charter flat out calls for Membership to assist in the creation of CRLS. So if that were happening we would be in violation of our own rules. 
 
Honestly the detachment is just trying out new things and change is very very much needed and not everything works out but continuing on the path we are currently on will only lead to disaster. This is a huge, passionate and busy Detachment (one of the busiest in fact) and keeping up with all things is hard. 
 
Also I am extremely dinky at times. You may want to ask a question directly to us because I am not seeing it as clearly as perhaps you are and I apologize. 
 
So I hate just rambling off ideas and comments without also offering to help and or suggest something. 
Would it be helpful If we wrote out something that full on explained (in details) what we are looking for in a CRL? 
 
I personally have written one before and it was scrapped as it will take actual Legion Council approval to hit the site itself but I would be very happy if we all could utilize the guide to make informed decisions as a team and work though things in the future. 
 
 
By incorrect do you meant opinion or actual incorrect information? 
-If you mean opinion as described above please post your grievances to the command staff here.
-if its an actual error please mail me.
Do you mean that there are a lot of options? 
Yes, us as LMOS make this choice in the end. We take the basic, most used. most seen part and put that into a CRL.
sometimes optional of like items that occur as often happens. 
We can not (nor should we need to) list every single option that was seen on screen. 
As I said before there were 18 Obi-Wans made and all of them slightly different. 
Just like in the Kylo Ren CRL only the hood up is an option. Why? Cause its most iconic
that is our goal. There is leeway like you will see in the newest Praetorian Guard CRL where you can have two neck options for the collar on the shirt.
Perhaps on some of these that can be looked into 
Correct and that will never stop! In fact you guys are one of my favorite detachments due to the resourcefulness of being able to attain information.
BRAVO! 
 
As CRLS are living documents this will never change as per the charter and op protocol calls out Green lit CRLs are changed infrequently.
 
**Spoiler alert** Major CRL changes sometimes we give a 30 day window as we are with Joeys new officer costume which will be changing another CRL by default with this new information
Anyone and everyone should have a voice in things when possible. Im busy, it cant always happen overnight and I cant throw things into CRLS immediatly. We want to eliminate the wait and speed up the process and cultivate a place of positive action for this detachment.
Also what we REALLY want to do is stop the "dumpster" fire effect. Its been really intense and allowing members to bicker over and over and over and beat dead horses is creating an extremely toxic environment in this Detachment. 
Sorry, rewording what I wrote
 
If you ever feel that you are somehow being silenced please message us at LMO@501st.com
I promise you that will not happen. Its gonna be hard at first learning how to go about this new system but we need change and I support trying things  
 I absolutely agree though even if this forum was removed you know how to get a hold of us. You know you can come to any of us if you have reference images and proof and its a warranted change that it would be added. 
 
 Well, you have no experience with me. Mail me.  
 
Correct. Issues were aired but in far to many cases it turned into fueled dumpster fires. I want to help change that. Which is why I think that showing folks how to write CRLS and why we do what we do is needed. I manage 4 detachments and this one takes up the most time and its time I could have spent fixing CRLS. 
I am literally neck deep mitigating arguments and wading through "opinions" and I manage the Sith Lords so that should be saying something. 
Evaluating how we do things needs to happen.
Its needed to happen for a long time.
Change is hard, trust me I get it. I am just asking that you give us a chance.
 
Thank you,
Dawn
 

Hello to you Robert! 
We are very very careful about updating existing CRLS that are green lit, we dont want to piss off the generic membership base (who may not be here) and willy nilly make modifications. 
There is very simple ways you can let us know.
1. Contact the Detachment Leader (just shoot him a PM) or Kris 
OR
2.Contact the LMO LMO@501st.com (or shoot me a PM)
 
If you want something changed err on the side of contacting the CRL staff.
and if something is wrong....
err on the side of contacting the LMO.
 
Each of us have to talk to each other before something happens so either of us are fine.  
 
Also I could go on for days as to how theres different instances of different things in nearly every costume (there were 18 copies of Obi-wan made for ep3 for example). Sometimes we just dont add things when a CRL goes live because it...
a. Isnt super noticeable
b. Doesn't occur often on a costume
c. Is a very minute detail
d. Cause we are mean mean LMOS (ok jk) <3
 
A lot of things written are x'ed from a CRL draft, this is not the Detachment Staff its me removing it. As a LMO I want the membership base to generally have access to costumes while maintaining costuming excellence. Which is why we LOVE L2 and 3 stuff. I know this can frustrate the (detail minded) membership base and let me tell you I was one of those people so I sympathize completely. Back when I wrote the original draft for the Kylo Ren CRL I was all about how many inches of this or that or how many pleats were on his sleeve. Though at the end of the day I have leaned to see things in many forms and not everyone wants a tier 3 costume. What we do want to avoid is incorrect information. Also we are all human and we all make mistakes, so dont hesitate to reach out to us! We are here to help, and we are here for you guys. 
 
I cant (nor will I) speak for how they will choose but I would prefer to work with a team of people who are positive and experienced in a way that they are open to understand that things change and not everything will go into a CRL that they "explicitly wanted" and that doesn't make it wrong. But thats not my job to choose who goes into that team....
 
Hope this helps!
Dawn
SL-13377

Generally we have been just doing them after review every so often. We made a few changes to various CRLS every month or so  We try and be very careful updating Green Lit CRLS as to not piss off the membership base working on the costume to much. All these things are approved by the Detachment Leader and LMO before being put into a CRL.

Hello!!! I am Dawn! One of the LMOs with the Legion! Heres a board I made.
 
I always stress to people Mail Us mail us Mail us! We are here, we are not psychic and we dont check out random boards (as there are a ton) we LMOS manage many Detachments CRLs so telling us (and mainly the Detachment Leaders) theres an issue is key.  
 
Please review my post I think youll find it helpful. 
 
Happy to help! 
 
 

Thank you so much Mark for your dedication and work with this. It is very appreciated!
 
Some things for folks to keep in mind.... 
 
-We do not make CRLS when there is not a model (someone who has made the costume)
-Please mail LMO@501st.com to ask if a costume could be included into the Legion. We will get back to you in less than a day usually. 
-We do not update things willy nilly, we have to keep a few things in mind that minute details do not need to be added and when possible level 2 and 3 should be utilized. 
-Crls are guides for GMLS to approve costumes, not for makers to use as schematics. 

Generally we have been just doing them after review every so often. We made a few changes to various CRLS every month or so  We try and be very careful updating Green Lit CRLS as to not piss off the membership base working on the costume to much. All these things are approved by the Detachment Leader and LMO before being put into a CRL.

Hello there,

New guy from Houston, Texas area, starting on my first builds for basic (and hopefully better) approval. 

I've ordered a few things so far:
Rogue One ISB uniform from MazCave (with black hat, belt, gloves)
Grey officer uniform from CosPlaySky
Black Imperial Flight Suit from CosPlaySky
German Knobelbecker replicas from Hessan Antique
Dosimeter style code cylinders from PhiloProps
Rogue One belt boxes from PhiloProps
RK-3 and DT-29 blasters from Etsy 
Four different rank bars

Also looking at an armor kit from Walt's Troop Factory (snowtrooper breastplate, Veers helmet, buckle, harness)
Working with a vendor on Etsy to create a 'hero' style holster for the RK-3
and still need to order some Officer boots & goggles

Then I should basically have all all the pieces I need for an ISB, TIE reserve Pilot, and then working on this (which as of now has no CRL):

 
 

I LOVE the name dress uniform for that hux style outfit! 

Everyone's basically covered everything, but as we've seen the ranking scheme go is one uniform, two ranks (Lt./Capt, Major/Colonel, and now this as General/Admiral) and it uses the rank stripes given to us in the visual dictionary which clearly states the ranks. To be quite honest, this seems like a no-brainer. We know the rank stripes mean X, we have seen both on this uniform in film and promo images. Ergo, it is these ranks.

The issue here isn't with this black uniform and its associated ranks, the issue is that we have a 'generic general' wearing Hux's uniform that is now, due to information shown and given in TLJ, an incorrect anomaly - imo that's what needs looked at, asking sources for clarification if possible (is it a dress uniform?is Hux just special?) and a revision in name so that this uniform with reference can be given its due. If anything is getting a non-ranked uniform description title as a CRL, it should be the one without canon source. This Admiral/General has canon rank information

I dunno if I said this before but I really REALLY think we need to start naming these things something else. :/
 
 
The rank thing is just becoming an argument point so remove that and we are left with just thinking up a cool name yes?!  Thats fun to!

This is highly possible. Just my 2 cents: I suggest we move forward with it as-is & just update it as-needed, if EPVIIII provides any new info on it, i.e. rank title, back details, ect. 
Exactly. We have plenty of OT costumes that have been retconned from one rank/title to another once new canon came out. We can still see the physical costume & replicate that (which has been done), if not the correct/exact title for it. No reason this costume will be different. Perhaps make it a variant for now, since someone has actually made the costume, and not just talked about it and expected a CRL to somehow pop up without a model. I say we go with it. 

You have done so much work on this and I love it. I just want to be very clear with you. The IOC staff loves this and wants this to happen. But I'm on the fence. Reference wise a few members of the LMO team are not entirely convinced of what's going on with the costume.
 
I'll be frank..
 
I have no issue using reasonable assesment to make a costume we will never see again. 
However! 
This one I feel like we are gonna potentially get a ton more of.(the first order has another whole movie) 
 
So my question is the following...
 
1. Pants: what kind is this guy wearing. Need visual reference. 
 
2. Back (any of it) do we have absolutely any information about the back of this costume that's visual? 
 
Thank you so much you guys. We want this to succeed. 
 
I hope you can see where we are coming from. If something happens later and that back ends up being different who's gonna take the heat? The LMO office... So help me help you guys

Now that I see this model.
 
Hasks bum has a slit and the generic officer is a Kick pleat I believe. 

How the variables are handled looks fine to me. And the variables even get their own pictures, labelled to show the difference? That's brilliant, and actually better than how every other IOC CRL containing variables is doing it at the moment. Best example being the Line/Staff officer Code Cylinders. Four separate types are listed there as myself and others have mentioned, no pictures like this.

Thank you Vanya for recognising this is not the place to discuss that CRL 

Spike was assembling all the photo refs, so once he's done we'll present that in the appropriate sub-forum  

We've been slowly working on compiling everything!! 
I wanted to have all the references and such ready when we made a thread, I've just been pretty sick and have been slower than usual. 
But that'll be happening in the nearish future, just gotta finish combing through the TLJ blu ray lol

Hi all! I went over the diagram I did earlier and made changes based on that T-model that was posted. WOW neat thank you again for posting. I would LOVE To see the Generic Officers now. 
 
From this you can see I added quite a few....
 
I realize some of these are small I realize some of these could be argued I realize some of these have been argued But WOW thats a ton of differences.  Click twice for larger image

Hi all! I went over the diagram I did earlier and made changes based on that T-model that was posted. WOW neat thank you again for posting. I would LOVE To see the Generic Officers now. 
 
From this you can see I added quite a few....
 
I realize some of these are small I realize some of these could be argued I realize some of these have been argued But WOW thats a ton of differences.  Click twice for larger image

You must be quite unfamiliar with video games. You see when you have the model from the game you can pose him in any which way you want the same way the programmers do. I asked for the T pose as it is generally the most useful for these sorts of things. I'm working on getting us a generic officer from in game as well, but work today is a bit more pressing. I'm trying to help here but really feeling quite off put that the validity of these models is a question at all. I wish I had the ability to conjure up models like this out of nowhere. Models like this would be invaluable for reference for doing game style costumes just as we have utilized t posed for clone wars characters.

Done
 
 
Also added the back seam.
 
Thanks guys! 

thank you for describing this to me, i am going to go in and look at that CRL maybe it will help me with this cause using Krennic isnt enough help. :/