rattleandburn

We seem to be back on track here, but please, keep to Anthony's original subject.
 
Thanks.

The rank bars are definitely a colorist issue, it may be intentional or it may not, but I agree it should be worn as seen in the comic and also agree that it deserves its own CRL due to the variety of differences. The rank bar color thing has been seen before, in the old comics featuring Ysanne Isard - it was featured both red over blue and blue over red, internally consistent, in separate runs, while she was stated to have the same rank. Likely a colorist issue as well, but if its internally consistent within what you're costuming from then it likely should be matched for accuracy, rather than assumed incorrect.  
 
I just want to clarify that I am NOT intending to complain about any of your costuming plans here, i'm just talking comic differences so please don't feel i'm coming for your costume in any way, I'm just contributing to the continued discussion that evolved after your original post
 
There is quite a lot of review put into comic art before it is colored, given text, and printed, most of the review is to the panel art itself, which is why we see debatable stuff like the rank bar colors, that's a separate person. Its definitely not hastily drawn, however, its a long thought-out process with a lot of work. Luke Ross posts quite a lot of WIP of his process of sketches, revisions, inking, more revisions, etc to his work, and his choices in line art are definitely intended.

I actually had never noticed this before, but I had a second and flipped through the older comics and in issue #2 it has red over blue, then switches to Blue over red in issue #3. I haven't read the new issue yet, but the screencaps seem to indicate that it stayed that way.

Colorist error maybe?
Unsure
That's a really good catch though, I didn't even notice!!

I've had a look at the original post of this thread to see the cover art you mention here, in your original post you also stated there are clear front back and side views of the uniform type you are intending to make.

Would it be possible to have these images specifically (and the issues of the comics they appear in) to get a clear idea of what you're looking to make? Suggestions in here are being made for a new CRL regarding the ISB style closure but from the sounds, it does not appear to be the one you're looking to make?

Regarding the rank bars from the panels provided by @rattleandburn in the first page of this discussion - and forgive me if it has been mentioned already, but they're depicting both Thrawn and Vanto as having Blue over Red.
That's a new thing unto itself isn't it?
I'm of the belief that the comic version of the Line Officer uniform (field gray/green ISB) deserves it's own CRL.
I would put forward that it has the ISB front closure and no princess seams.  Also that the rank bar worn with it be one of the configurations seen in the comic, NOT from the films or Legends sources.

Just popping in to toss in my two cents

It would be /extremely/ easy to modify an existing line officer uniform to the ISB style.
I have a spare cosplaysky uniform that I've had lying around for a bit to harvest for hat fabric (they messed up measurements and let me keep it)
I'd be more than willing to make a quick tutorial if there's interest?

Two things:

1. If OP (or anyone for that matter) just wanted to emulate the rank bar, cylinder placement, and put on blue Thrawn makeup and be "Lieutenant Thrawn" with any cleared line officer uniform. Cool, absolutely nothing in the CRL says this can't happen.

2. If the OP specifically wants to replicate the exact tunic design seen in the comics, a design shown multiple times, from multiple angles, consistently and on multiple characters, would this not warrant a new CRL? I'm talking -specifically- if that exact comic design of uniform is wanting to be put forward, which I think is what the OP is after here?

True. The one panel there does show the "classic" yoke coming up to the shoulder. That's always the problem with drawn media, they're never consistent. In my opinion, and I dont speak on behalf of the LMO team, if the uniform is exactly the same as the current Line Officer CRL, and the only difference is the Chiss makeup, I cant really see a new CRL being made. If the tunic was consistent and the yoke was more the ISB style, Id be more okay with potentially a new CRL being made. But, thats just my two cents...

Aye, I noticed that about the uniforms in the comic book too. While the comics are providing a lot of useful reference for Thrawn in uniforms outside of the white Grand Admiral, it's worth thinking about and discussing how one would approach a "non Grand Admiral comics Thrawn build" and whether or not there is a new CRL in there, due to the design of the tunic etc.

I hadn't even noticed the differences in tunic closure between those two ranks! That's interesting...

I would think that to make an "olive ISB" for lack of a better term, you'd probably be looking at a new CRL to cover that point. Alternatively, an option could be added to the Line Officer (I know we hate adding options to things now but it's just another possibility) to permit an "ISB style closure". If we can link that closure style to -specifically- ranks below Lieutenant, that could be something cool to tie in with "if you're wearing a rank below Lieutenant, you may use these ranks". It's possible that outside of its own CRL, it might be something you'd only really be able to restrict or police (closure style to rank) in the higher levels of clearance. When someone was specifically emulating someone from the comics.

A possible loophole might need to be closed regarding "Just be blue in a line officer uniform". At present, all Thrawn CRLS have solid makeup requirements. If someone "is just a chiss in an olive uniform" we probably need to be careful that A) their makeup is up to an approvable standard and B ) they aren't going to be treading on the toes of a person signed up as one of the various Thrawn's. I think you would risk multiple "Thrawn-a-likes" at larger events. There's also the worry that someone might "want a thrawn costume" but not want to have to make a full Grand Admiral, so just slaps a blue face on, wears their line officer, things get muddled up or their makeup isnt up to scratch etc.

Adding a Thrawn makeup appearance setup as an optional within the Line officer CRL (or within the Comic Line Officer CRL.. if it happens..) would help to reduce this. It would ensure makeup standards still remain high, and I do think that you -should- be clearing "Line Officer Thrawn"s so that signups for troops don't get complicated and weird with overlap. Troop manager can then see "oh well we've already got a Line Officer Thrawn signed up for then, so you can't be GA Thrawn/Rebels Thrawn at the same time, sorry" etc.

I've probably muddled up my issue and solution but I'm hoping the problem I'm highlighting and the potential loophole for exploitation makes sense?

Just to steer this back on point, this isn't a thread about Tarkin.

In the panels Vanya posted, Tarkin and Thrawn have very different closures to Eli. Eli and Thrawn had both had those same pointy ISB closures aaaaall the way up to his promotion to Admiral, whereby he starts wearing the new closure that better matches movie closure. Disregard Tarkin. It just puts more weight behind the pointy ISB closure being a very specific and intentional design choice. Plus a possible link to that design choice being specifically for certain ranks. Which is new and interesting!

guess we're not gonna address the tone, okay whatever.

'Yoke doesn't quite meet' imo is on the same level as they use black shading lines so they didn't do big harsh black lines for princess seams/arm seams, kind of shrug at it all. Its not on the same level as the ISB style flap tunics having a clear and consistent association with ranks and where the cut-off for the change is.

They regular moff'd his rank though. Its a preview image, so one or the other may be incorrect. Coloring is done by a separate person, Luke Ross who does the main art is not the colorist, so color tile inconsistency would lie elsewhere. The artist is responsible for the uniform design, which is the entire point of the post.

The point was ISB flap style tunic was from ranks A to B, normal style tunic is shown as Admiral, equivalent governor ranks. 

There's really no need to derail 'these ranks wear X, these ranks wear Y, here is the consistency in images" because there's no little yellow tiles. That reaaaaally doesn't negate the information stated  

A couple of notes, having read through this discussion.

Cover art has little to no bearing on the content of the book; they're done by guest artists who have a huge amount of leeway, and are often just for aesthetics, and each issue of Thrawn so far has had 1-3 variant covers. Marvel did a series of Variant covers about 1.5 years ago in homage to popular hip-hop album covers, using superheroes, doesn't mean Dr. Strange is canonically starting a rap career  They're the comic equivalent of movie posters that take a lot of artistic license. So, uniform variance on a cover drawn by someone who has no other relation to the work and possibly hasn't even read it is iffy at best; comic cosplayers take that all with a grain of salt in regards to it being canon. 

The ISB-style tunic flap is internally consistent on officers within the run, across a variety of ranks and jobs. Its especially noticeable on Eli and Thrawn as they're in the spotlight, up through issue three.

What's interesting to note, however, is Tarkin has a normal uniform type when he shows up. Thrawn has the different flap tunic, until he's promoted to Admiral, after which he has a standard tunic like Tarkin, as seen in previews for issue #4, while lower-ranked Eli still has the other style. 

 
The consistently and use for certain ranks/characters definitely shows its not an art error of any kind, its a conscious design choice. (However I would easily accept the argument that the lack of princess seams on anybody is probably for easy of shading and not muddling the image with unnecessary lines, but they probably should be left out if its comic-variant, ISB-flap style, field grey uniform in the ranks we see in book)

and here again we see a room where everyone is Governor/Moff or Admiral rank, and they're standard

 
literally right before promotion, straight ISB style flap:


immediately after promotion: Eli in ISB style, Thrawn in new standard style:


Its a deliberate choice by the art team, internally consistent within the run, so ideally a low-ranked Thrawn or any Eli Vanto should be wearing the IBS flap style line officer. An Admiral Thrawn should be in a standard uniform.


So, TL;DR here

A potential CRL for Comic Thrawn should feature ISB flap style uniform as pictured for ranks Lieutenant through Captain, Admiral rank should be applied to standard uniform style only. Big ???? on whether its worth picking over lack of princess/back arm seams, as no ones been up in arms about their non-existence in the past on other comic runs. Also I've messaged the artist about clarity on what ranks get what

A couple of notes, having read through this discussion.

Cover art has little to no bearing on the content of the book; they're done by guest artists who have a huge amount of leeway, and are often just for aesthetics, and each issue of Thrawn so far has had 1-3 variant covers. Marvel did a series of Variant covers about 1.5 years ago in homage to popular hip-hop album covers, using superheroes, doesn't mean Dr. Strange is canonically starting a rap career  They're the comic equivalent of movie posters that take a lot of artistic license. So, uniform variance on a cover drawn by someone who has no other relation to the work and possibly hasn't even read it is iffy at best; comic cosplayers take that all with a grain of salt in regards to it being canon. 

The ISB-style tunic flap is internally consistent on officers within the run, across a variety of ranks and jobs. Its especially noticeable on Eli and Thrawn as they're in the spotlight, up through issue three.

What's interesting to note, however, is Tarkin has a normal uniform type when he shows up. Thrawn has the different flap tunic, until he's promoted to Admiral, after which he has a standard tunic like Tarkin, as seen in previews for issue #4, while lower-ranked Eli still has the other style. 

 
The consistently and use for certain ranks/characters definitely shows its not an art error of any kind, its a conscious design choice. (However I would easily accept the argument that the lack of princess seams on anybody is probably for easy of shading and not muddling the image with unnecessary lines, but they probably should be left out if its comic-variant, ISB-flap style, field grey uniform in the ranks we see in book)

and here again we see a room where everyone is Governor/Moff or Admiral rank, and they're standard

 
literally right before promotion, straight ISB style flap:


immediately after promotion: Eli in ISB style, Thrawn in new standard style:


Its a deliberate choice by the art team, internally consistent within the run, so ideally a low-ranked Thrawn or any Eli Vanto should be wearing the IBS flap style line officer. An Admiral Thrawn should be in a standard uniform.


So, TL;DR here

A potential CRL for Comic Thrawn should feature ISB flap style uniform as pictured for ranks Lieutenant through Captain, Admiral rank should be applied to standard uniform style only. Big ???? on whether its worth picking over lack of princess/back arm seams, as no ones been up in arms about their non-existence in the past on other comic runs. Also I've messaged the artist about clarity on what ranks get what

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Absolutely! Done!

Ohh yikes, I did not know that.

do you contour? My experience with the liquid mehron is it likes to flake off it you try to blend over top of it, but that is somewhat dependant on skin type and primer Report back if you have pics! It'd be great to get people to post here a face shot and what products they used so people can see them used on others  

Fantastic Work!!! This guide will be of immense help!

I have a variety of alien X-Wing pilots (Mirialian, Zeltron, Pantoran, and Chiss for now) and I use Wolfe brand paint for all of them. Very easy to get, easy to apply and remove. Minimal amount of rub off (mainly around my lips)

Thanks for putting up this great list , I’ll be taking some pointers from it for sure for my Rebels Thrawn. I’ve already had a go with Mehron liquid face paint and sealer with good success


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@bjsavage7 
Any chance we could get this pinned?
This is a TON of great information and I'd hate to see it get lost to the vastness of the forums!!

that is a good idea to get things like this pinned.  so many of the same questions are asked over and over again.  And that is OK, but better categorization of resources could keep the new pages more relevant to the broader group.

I'm glad Wolfe works for you, those who have a good response to i tend to like it. Unfortunately its lack of inclusion on the list was intentional due to the large swathes of people who it makes break out, its suprisingly volatile to a lot of skin types