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So this morning I woke up with thousands of messages "Theres a generic FO General CRL" and I was like wtf? What did I miss?
So here's the question to the LMO and Detachment Staff. What did I miss??
On 6.3.2017 at 3:02 AM, captsafe66 said:As the LMO said, no matter what text we find in a book or what an actor, director or anyone else states, without a sequence of hi def pics, he won't create a CRL for a Generic General. Do I like that? NO, but the buck stops with the LMO. Our only hope would be production photos or any additional deleted scenes surface.
On 7.3.2017 at 8:31 PM, nocternus said:Philo there is no generic General
On 7.3.2017 at 8:31 PM, nocternus said:Philo there is no generic General
On 7.3.2017 at 10:30 PM, captsafe66 said:Here is the documentation from the Legion as quoted by the LMO already: http://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:CharacterApproval
Specifically: The character must be represented visually by an officially authorized Star Wars publication. Full body front/back/side reference must be available. Costumes based only on text descriptions cannot be approved.
This will be the last time we need to debate the written 501st rules in this post. By all means, take the debate to the LMO or LCO. We have many other approvable costumes to do CRL work for and until such time that we can get more photos to support this one, again, our hands are tied.
So unless you have some breaking evidence, or something supportive to add to this topic, please stop making the staff repeat what has already been covered.
On 10.3.2017 at 0:48 AM, DarthAloha said:Actually I never said that we can't have a generic FO general in the 501st. I see no reason not to. That's basically Hux without the ginger hair requirement no?
I'm thinking maybe I posted my response in the wrong thread. I was posting about generic officers in general not generic generals.
My point was that I've read a bunch here on IOC and there's been a lot of banter and back and forth about other FO officers but no one has produced any screen references to look at. Blurry photos of the starkiller base lineup during Hux's Hilter speech aren't good enough for me.
I'm sorry for the confusion.
-Eric
Do not get me wrong. I'm happy that my girlfriend has her officer approved. But since March 10 nothing new appeared regarding any officers so I want to ask why there is a CRL now. Kinda suspicious to me atm.
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2 hours ago, nocternus said:
But as i have already said regardless of if you can see it or not the collar on the officer behind HUX is different the ones in the background are different as pointed out by others
Many others have also pointed out, that some of the guys in the back indeed have the same collar as Hux.
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Oh. See. Generals. It's plural. Regarding "Hux is the only general" I'd say case closed.
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Ok, according to those statements from the LMO, we won't get an generic FO general approved. That's it, right? That's sad tbh. As Robert said, TFA is done. We won't see a "Behind the scenes, costumes" etc from TFA in the near future. Maybe we see them at a SW Exhibit in 4 years. Shall this be the regulation? We clearly see that there are high ranked officers in the background, and DEFINETLY NOT grey. Black. Period.
Making the coat non optional does make more sense to me to get this approved than just saying "I want to see more references of that costume" which does not exist.
Regarding that, I heard that a generic Grand Admiral is also planned. Where's there the visual reference? If you use your words on that, Grandadmiral Thrawn is the ONLY Grandadmiral.
The statement "I want to see more reference" is in the figurative sense a "No, it won't be approved" since we all know, there are no more references.
Making the coat oblicatory would at least give the appearance we see in the scene.
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1 hour ago, Dimentex said:
Could be, but they do have Lieutenants, so I can believe he really is a General.
Agreed. But as I mentioned in the analysis of the scene, these are not Lieutenants.
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1 hour ago, Dimentex said:
Question. I don't have the TFA book - is there any reference in it in that scene to generals?
Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI just took a look and found something interesting in the visual dictionary.
The first sentence about Hux.
"General Hux is an officer of the First Order [...]"
So according to that the title "General" is not that right, isnt it? Maybe it is more like the "Captain" of Captain Phasma.
Hux is with Phasma and Kylo Ren at the top of the hierarchy, maybe thats why they needed something special for Hux' name.
Later in the book it is stated that there are "officers"
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23 minutes ago, buckrogersbarker said:
Good research here. Hope this gets through the process.
I have to go dig up the information, but I am fairly certain that these ARE generals too. There was a comment somewhere about "Captain Phasma" standing on equal footing with them. While her title is Captain, he rank is more the equivalent of a General. That shows why she is standing with those on the podium. I'll try to look that up and cite it this weekend.Any reference is more than welcome!
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49 minutes ago, nocternus said:
Personally id like to see better proof the others were Generals the word of an actor playing a part that in his own words he is not sure about is not valid proof and as the background officers were only seen with capes then the cape should not be optional.
That's up to discussion as well. But I have to say that because of our german history I wouldn't feel good making the cloak non optional. We all know that the costumes based on Nazi Germany personell.
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Hey all.
In this thread I want discuss whether a generic FO General should be approvable for the 501st or not.
Lets start with the analysis of the first scene we see in the movie: The Hux speech.
You see Hux in the foreground and many other henchmen in the background. I assume that these Henchmen are other First Order Generals.
In the following I will discuss why I assume this with references.
1) Hat
As you can see in the picture above, all henchmen wear the same hat. The same that General Hux wears. As you can see the colors are also the same.
The only other First Order personel who wears a hat are the Lieutenants. Here's a picture of Lieutenant Mitaka.
The henchmen in the background are not Lieutenants for two obvious reasons. Lieutenants have a kinda grey suit. The henchmen in the speech scene are clearly black. Also the hat of the lieutenants are grey matching to the suit. Furthermore the Lieutenants have code cylinders which you'd see on the henchmen. In fact you can see two of them wearing something there on the left, however they differ from the others.
2) Vest
I hope you can see it. If not enlarge the picture please. We know that Hux as a split in the vest. You really have to zoom in to see that the henchmen in the background have a split there too. But it is clearly there.
3) Collar
As you can see in the picture, every henchmen has the same collar as Hux. Since the Lieutenants and Technicians also have the collar, it's not a clear prrof that these are Generals, however it is a similarity.
4) Last but not least the belt:
Every henchmen wear the exact belt buckle as you can see in the picture above. Also the Lieutenants wear this kind of belt buckle but since the suit of the Lieutenants have a very different color, it can be stated, that the henchmen in the background are NOT Lieutenants. We also have Technicians in the ranks of the First Order.
As you can see the Technicians have a black suit but you can see that the belt buckle is missing. So for obvious reasons the henchmen in the background are not Technicians. (Why would Hux want to have technicians on the platform with all the high ranked First Order personell?)
In summary we can clearly assume that the henchmen are First Order Generals.
But that is not the only reference we have up to know. The LEGO Group released for the May the 4th event a Minifigure Polybag: First Order General. Furthermore at a german convention (Sci-Fi Days at the Technikmuseum Speyer) an actor was a special guest who played a "First Order General" : Bern Collaço.
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Bern_Collaco
Quoted from the wiki article: "Bern Collaço is a British actor who played [ ... ] a general in the 2015 film Star Wars: The Force Awakens [...]"
The german event was not the only event where he attended as a special guest. Here is a picture of how Swindon Film and Comic Con 2016 announced Mr. Bern Collaço:
If you look for him on Facebook (you'll find him) you will see that he states to have played a General there too. "Storm Trooper Rogue One. 1ST Order General, Star Wars Episode VII TFA. CIA Agent, Mission Impossible 5:Rogue Nation. Train Car Diner, Spectre. "
Further more my local LMO who also talked to Bern Collaço at the event messaged him through Facebook and here is his reply:
At this point I want to say that you please desist from messaging him through his private facebook profile.
Based on all the references stated above my girlfriend Anna-Lena made a First Order General. I will "represent" her on the boards, since she doesnt have an account and according to her, her english isn't good enough. I have to accept the Generals opinion..hehe
Here are pictures of the costume:
Here is the draft for the CRL:
First Order General Hat, black
For 501st approval:-The hat's brim is a black leather, or leather-like material protruding from the front bottom of the dome. It is curved in shape and does not obscure the wearer's eyes.
-The dome fits snugly on the head and cocks slightly back like a baseball cap.
-It is fitted to the head and does not cover the ears.
-There tall flap around the back half of the hat, snugly fitting around the dome.
-This piece is not higher than the dome of the hat, and does not overly flex outward. It is effectively vertical in respect to the rest of the hat, and viewed from the side, it's edges are tilted slightly back at an angle.
-The First Order emblem is centered in the front of the hat's dome. It is black and white.
For level two certification (if applicable):
-First Order insignia is a metal pin, centered in the front of the hat's dome. It's approx 1 1/2" wide & 1 3/4" tall.
-The dome has a subtlety curved seam separating the front panel from rest of the hat, with a similar seam on the back part of the dome, with one vertical seam down the dome's back.
Tunic, First Order General, Black
For 501st approval:-Fabric is a smooth, light to medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants and has a noticeable sheen.
-Tunic is fitted.
-The closure may use hidden side (or buck) clasps, or hook and eye closures.
-Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons.
-First Order patch and rank insignia are sewn down on the left arm only
-The collar is snugly fitting, classic-style, and has a visible closure panel across the front of the neck, covering the zipper slider or top clasp. **It may attach to the side of the neck by Velcro, hook and eye, or any closure that does not interfere with the look of the collar.
-Tunic has epaulettes across the shoulder, from the collar to top of the arm seam seam.
-They are completely sewn down on all sides.
-There are princess seams on the front and back, and one vertical seam down the center of the back.
-There are two horizontal front pockets (double welt pockets) on both sides of closure, right below the belt.
-The pockets have a false opening (seams) right below the true openings and are the same length. These do not have to function.
For level two certification (if applicable):
-Tunic material is a shiny, grosgrain or silk rayon, wrinkle-less material.
-There are two seams down the sleeves, continuing from the princess seams on the front and back.
-Tunic has a dark grey or black inner lining.
-First Order patch is centered on left bicep and is approximately 3" (7.62 cm) high 2 1/4" wide
-There is a subtle cuff seam line on both lower sleeves above the rank bands.
Jodphur Trousers, First Order General, Black
For 501st approval:-Fabric is a light to medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic.
-Flared riding breeches have subtle, semi-stiff flares in the hip/thigh area, below the tunic and above the knee.
-Breeches are worn with tall, knee-high boots.
-Pockets and waist belts are acceptable, although are not visible with the tunic on.
-Stirrups may be attached to the leg bottoms to keep material tightly tucked into the boots
For level two certification (if applicable):
-There is a fold on the legs creased from back to front, directly below the jodphur flares, tucking tightly into the boots, over the knees.
General Boots, First Order General, Black
For 501st approval:
-Knee-high, black, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material, with moderate to high-gloss shine.-Rubber rain boots or Wellies are not acceptable.
-PVC or synthetic material is allowed as long as it gives the appearance of leather.
-Original Trilogy English Riding Boots are acceptable for basic approval.
-There are no stretch panels, buckles, snap tabs, or decoration.
-Boot seams must closely match screen-used boots.
-Boots have conservative or no heels at all. Flat soles are most accurate.
-If zippers are present, they on the inner part of the boot shaft only.
-The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.
For level two certification (if applicable):
-Boots have a zipper on the inner shaft.
-Soles are flat, similar to FO TK and TI soles.
-Seams and design must match screen-used boots.
Gloves, First Order General, Black
For 501st approval:-Gloves are constructed of a non-textured, black leather or leather-like material.
-Enclosed fingers.
-Gloves are gauntlet length, fitted, and worn underneath the sleeves.
-No buckles, straps, ect.
-Gloves may have seams similar to Original Trilogy officer gloves for basic approval.
Belt, First Order General
For 501st approval:-The belt is constructed from a black, non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
-Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable.
-Belt must fit snugly over the natural waist of the wearer.
-There are no loops on the belt.
-Sizing holes on wither side of the buckle are acceptable for basic approval.
-The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal-looking material.
-Buckle is free of decoration, greeblies or insignia.
-Buckle is rectangular, with sharp-angled edges, approximately 5 1/4" (13.3 cm) long & 2 1/2 high (6.35 cm).
For level two certification (if applicable):
-Belt is made of leather.
-There are no sizing holes
-Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.
General Rank Insignia, First Order
For 501st approval:-Worn on the left side of arm, above the wrist and below the elbow
-Rank consists of four white bands sewn down to the sleeve.
For level two certification (if applicable):
-Rank bands consist of two separate black bands with the white piping on the top and bottom edge of each.
Optional Accessories:
First Order Officer Great Coat, black
For 501st approval:
-Coat is long, black wool. It drapes past the knees, but above the ankles.
-It is fitted to the wearer.
-First Order patch and rank insignia appears on the left sleeve as they do on the tunic.
-First Order patch is centered on left bicep and is approximately 3" (7.62 cm) high 2 1/4" wide.
-The collar is long with a wide lapel. It must closely match the design in reference images.
-Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons.
-Coat has epaulettes across the shoulder, from the collar to top of the arm seam seam. They are completely sewn down to the shoulders.
-The coat is open and does not close. It may be worn over the shoulders like a cloak.
For level two certification (if applicable):
-The coat has two long panels that fold back from under the armpit to the backside of the coat. They connect at a point lateral to the posterior.
-There is one vertical seam down the center of the back.
-There are two horizontal front pockets on both sides of closure, right below the waist.
-The coat has a smooth, black lining, matching the tunic's lining.
-There is a subtle cuff seam line on both lower sleeves above the rank bands.
Officer's Blaster, First Order
For 501st approval:-Based on a replica Glock 19 repeating pistol, scratch-built with added greeblies, or a modified commercial replica is acceptable.
-Details to be painted black and silver per reference photos.
Thanks for reading!
Dino
DS-75608
Generic First Order General CRL Discussion
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I am not accusing anything. But when I read some comments in this thread it seemed like there won't be a Generic FO General until more pictures come out. This is why I put some quotes in.
So Im confused why there is a CRL now without any notice that the LMO team is working on it. I spent a lot of time getting all the stuff together in the first post and I was very upset that it was blocked. But now Im just a bit mad that there were indeed works "behind the scenes" so to say. This is why I asked if I missed anything.
I know things take time. But you said "Blurry photos of the starkiller base lineup during Hux's Hilter speech aren't good enough for me." What I understood was that there wont be a generic General in time. No conspiracy theory or anything. Maybe I used the wrong words. Lets say I feel a bit pretermitted (if it is the right expression in this case).
Again, I am happy that there is a CRL now