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  1. On 11/29/2021 at 2:13 PM, ShadowStriker said:

    Where can I get Wool or Cotton Gaberdine trousers Kman?

     

     

    Cotton isn't used in gabardine, but wool can be.  You'll want to match your tunic, though, or the two pieces will look quite different.  It's one thing to use "just another black" with a hat, but since the tunic and pants overlap, those will need to match more closely.

     

    So wherever your tunic came from, that's where the pants should come from.

  2. 46 minutes ago, ShadowStriker said:

    Does anyone know how to make sure that the Jodhpur trouser that come with the Black deluxe Imperial Officer suit is Gaberdine? I ordered another one recently because my old one turned out to be polyester. I don't want to make the same mistake again. Please let me know. Thanks.

     

    Gabardine is a weave, not a kind of thread.  Gabardine can (and is) often made of either polyester, wool, or a blend of several different fibers.  The gabardine CosplaySky sells is polyester, as you would expect in this price range.  (Nor do they offer any choice in this). Looks just fine, it's just not as breathable as a high quality wool gabardine would be.  It will have a different sheen if you're trying to match it to a different material, though, even if the thread patterns are the same.

  3. I've not seen anyone release full-blown patterns for either, that are accurate enough for 501st use.  There are a bunch of partial patterns out there for the basic officer tunic... just need to make the collar a little taller than most.  Most are not very complete, though... you'll definitely need to know what you're doing with those.

     

    There are a couple of places that sell the costumes custom made, but they're not cheap.

     

    The fabric is listed right in the CRL:

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    Tunic

    • Tunic is constructed of a medium to heavy white twill weave fabric.
      • Wool or wool-like twill weave is preferred.

     

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    Cloak, Version One

    • Fabric is of a light to medium white cotton twill or similar material.

     

    I've seen a light white denim used for the cloak as well. (which IS a medium cotton twill, actually)

  4. We are making a small update to the CRL today.  I'm tagging it onto this thread since it's still quite new, and the update is small.  This update has already been approved by the LMO team, as it is a modification for basic level approval (even though it's optional), and should be added shortly.

     

    In The Mandalorian we have seen officers for the first time (Katie O'Brian's character) wearing boots with a v-shaped notch at the back of the boot's top.  These aren't actual expansion joints, per se, but they're different enough from prior boots that we feel the addition of the option is warranted, since it's the first time we've seen something other than a fairly flat top in boots.

     

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    The addition to the existing language is in red, below:

     

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    Officer Boots, Version One

    • Knee-high, black, riding style, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material.
    • There are no buckles, snap tabs or decoration.
    • Boots have conservative heels.
    • A single stretch panel or zipper may be present, they are to be hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft.
      • Not visible from the front, side or back.
    • The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.
      • A small V-shaped notch may be present at the back of the boot's top.

     

    Enjoy your newest option! :)

  5. 5 hours ago, BenjaminAsher said:

    I now fully understand the intention of this post, and realize the primary focus is about FO boots on Imperial Officers prior to the creation of the First Order. Because FO boots are uncommon and more expensive, it doesn’t make this a matter of cost or inclusiveness for anyone’s budget.  

     

    it appears it is understood and agreed that it was only as a result of a costume boot shortage that we saw them onscreen. They are obviously intended to wear classic riding boots. They aren’t remnant Officers, and are not wearing surplus boots from a previous time in Imperial history. In fact, FO boots had not even been created in the Star Wars universe, as the FO had not been created yet. 
     

    If this really will only effect fewer than 10 people, and we are in the process of changing the CRLs anyway, why not just grandfather in the few current interested people to allow FO boots?

     

    That 10 person figure was a ballpark estimate, for what it's worth.  I haven't looked up the exact number of people with both types of costumes, but I'm comfortably guess that it's quite a small number... there just aren't that many approved FO officers in the first place, and fewer still who own both FO and Staff/Security officer costumes, and fewer still who really WANT to wear those FO boots with this this costume.

     

    But there's no one to grandfather in, at the moment:  FO boots are not currently allowed anyway.  We were just discussing whether or not they should be, since we were revising things anyway.  And to be sure, there ARE some valid arguments in favor.  I'm not sure they pros outweigh the cons, honestly.  I'd rather see all Imperial Officers wearing the same kind of boots, then add the FO option and have someone looking a bit off, next to everyone else, for all the reasons we've gone over.

     

    At the moment, fortunately, it seems we all agree we can just address this in the future, and make the change at that point, should the situation change.  That simplifies matters considerably, for this round of changes. :)  I'll start pulling together the changes needed to get these revisions moving.

  6. 1 hour ago, Nathan said:

    As a Garrison XO I look over all our new approvals.  I get excited for every newly minted trooper.  I fully support allowing new members (and existing) options.  Why? Costuming and trooping are supposed to be fun and enjoyable...part of this enjoyment goes to comfort.  If we allow our members more options and open up the add ons for our members it adds to comfort and enjoyment for our people. Also cost plays a factor.  If you as a prospect have boots that can meet a standard level it will encourage that person. In the creation process.  Yes we have standards but we can open up more options and still field high quality members without without compromise.  If the issue is a Chelsea first order style boot, allow it as a level 1 option.  Allow different pants styles.  Let's grow the legion and detachment instead of disqualifying over such truly small differences.

     

    The issue under discussion isn't a Chelsea style first order boot.  It's the full height first order boots.

     

    A number of people seem a little confused about what's happening here so I'll break it down a bit.

     

    The non-saga black-uniformed officer CRL is here: "Staff Officer (Non-Saga)" https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:Temp-Imperial-Staff-Officer_(Non_Saga)

     

    The non-saga olive-uniformed officer CRL is here: "Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga)" https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:ID_imperial_officer(Non-Saga)

     

    One thing you'll note about the olive CRL vs the black, is the olive CRL includes elements previously included as the "Social Officer", folded in as a tab (optional varation) on the main CRL, because other than straight pants and chelsea boots instead of jodphurs and tall boots, they're identical.  Similarly, the "Science Officer" has absolutely zero difference from the new Non-Saga uniform.  Just a specific rank.  Officer CRLs should not be differentiated just by a rank bar, else we need to make a LOT more CRLs.

     

    So what we are doing, is updating the black officer CRL (for these non-saga costumes, made decades after the OT but ostensibly in the same general time period) to include those same options (straight leg pants and chelsea boots) as a tabbed variant, just like it is with the olive officer now.  At that point the Social Officer CRLs and Science Officer CRLs will both be retired as fully redundant.  This is all very straightforward and simple, and should be non-controversial.  We're just organizing things better... no actual options that are currently allowed, will NOT be allowed, with this change.  We'll lose a couple of redundant CRLs, which is a little sad, but existing people will be grandfathered in, as always, and people who wish to do those configurations will still be able to under the revised non-saga CRL, so there should be no issues there.

     

    The current debate is about additional NEW adjustments to the black officer CRL.  The ONLY sticking point we've been discussing here is whether or not to allow Imperial Security Officers (the black ones) in these costumes, wear First Order tall boots, as an alternative to the standard English riding boots they've traditionally worn.

     

    Considering how few people own First Order boots, and how hard they are to get, I suspect this will affect a VERY small number of people.  But some seem quite passionate about it, despite it being painfully obvious that the intent of the costumers was for officers to wear traditional riding boots.  They stuck some background characters in FO boots they had laying around, just because they ran out.  And unfortunately some photos then ended up in the Visual Guide photos.

     

    So do we stick with the intent of the costumers (which is well documented) and keep First Order boots off of Imperial costumes, or do we say "Oh well it was on screen, despite not being really how they intended things to look, so it must be fine."  At this point I refer back to my earlier points about Mr No Stripes, the stormtrooper who lacked blue stripes on his helmet.  This fellow was seen multiple times on screen, but we know it was simply a mistake / rushed costuming job, and not the intent of how they wanted Imperial Stormtroopers to look.  So FISD does not allow Mr No Stripes configurations for their Stormtroopers.  Other examples of situations like this are scattered around the the Legion.  There is a LOT of precedent for this sort of stance.  People who want to replicate screen-used props and costumes *precisely* have a home at TheRPF, where replication is the goal.  The goal of the 501st is very high level costuming, and looking like a cohesive group, not replicating every mistake seen on screen.

     

    Again, I would guess less than 10 people in the entire Legion are really going to ever want to do this, barring some future changes in future shows (at that point we obviously update the CRL, no issue with that).  But do we codify what is, in essence, a mistake, into our CRLs?

     

    This is what we're wrestling with.

     

    Photos for illustration of the options:

     

    Classic English Riding boots (all smooth leather, classic shoe soles with heel)

     

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    First Order tall boots (distinct seamed "cuff" towards the top, thick flat foam soles)

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  7. 1 hour ago, BenjaminAsher said:

    I vote to keep uniformity and NOT allow First Order nor Chelsea boots for OT or Non Saga Imperial Officers. 
     

    A background actor or stunt actor getting a brief moment of screen time in contrast to the very well documented uniform should not impact the uniformity of our corps. 

     

    We all know Tarkin wore slippers due to comfort, so they were intentionally hidden from screen. If Tarkin’s slippers were accidentally seen for a brief moment, we would all laugh, but it would not be added to the CRL. 
     

     

    I mean... new CRL? lol

     

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  8. 2 hours ago, lantern2745 said:


    We ran into this when we wrote the current Non Saga Black CRL;

    Those boots are a weird hybrid. They have FO uppers, but OT soles. The FO boots were wedge/flat without a defined heel. Nobody makes these boots yet, so they can't be included.

     

    Thanks for the reminder, Jeff, I had forgotten the details about what was discussed last round, but now I remember that being the case.

     

    FO boots certainly exist, so they could be *technically* be included, but the hybrid option, no, not so much.

     

    It's a good reminder, however, about how CRLs work: We can't just grab screen shots and say "Ok, there it is, add it".  Someone has to actually submit a costume with that feature, and supply photos for the CRL, before anything like that can be included.

     

    All that said, here's my thoughts on these boots:

     

    There are multiple principles at play. There’s principle of “this is how we intend for this character to look”. Add to that the principle of consistency across the 501st. WE ARE NOT THE RPF. We do not have to replicate mistakes just because they were on screen. We don’t make our L3 Stormtroopers put white gaffers tape on their armor, and we don’t allow Mr NoStripes, despite him clearly being on screen. And we don’t allow Gunners to wear loafers instead of jack boots, despite the one quick pickup scene where they did.

     

    THIS is the principle that has been followed in the past. What was intended for the character, and how did the costume designers want them to look? Adding to that, the Visual Guides have had many mistakes that have been shown over time. They’re not gospel. They’re handy *extra* evidence when needed, just like the action figures.

     

    These characters are *intended* to wear standard OT style boots. Production realities and budgets meant they sort of grabbed what was available for a few background characters when supplies ran low. That doesn’t mean they were intended to wear FO boots.  et alone those weird hybrid things.

     

    Option 2 is the principle of “no matter what, if we see it on screen, we allow it”.  That's a valid option, if not the choice *I* would make, but fine. We’d better push to start allowing Stormtroopers with no tube stripes, for one, because who cares about consistency if we can say technically it’s on screen? (or in a book?)

     

    Now, all that said, these are not decisions that are locked in stone.  And if the situation changes, I expect us to update things to accommodate the change.  If we end up seeing 3 dozen officers in Andor, wearing these boots, that’s definitely on screen and intended, budget or not. And we adjust the CRL to allow it.  Once someone actually shows us a pair in hand that we can use for submission, that is.

     

    Note that all of this is MY opinion, and where I would recommend we go with this.  If Robert agrees, that's a plus. LOL. This post is not intended to state the formal IOC command policy decision, and end all debate, should others feel strongly otherwise, but this IS the direction that I will be pushing for, as far as that goes. :)

  9. 4 minutes ago, buckrogersbarker said:

    They certainly do and you can find it in the CRL that was recently published. We made sure it is an option.  

     

    No we didn't.  It's not in the CRL.

     

    There was talk at one point about adding an option, but that was lost over time, and over debates about including it in the OT CRL.  Now that there is a split, we could talk about it again.

     

    That said, I'd like to see these things somewhere other than the Visual Guides, which have been shown to be inaccurate many times.  I believe we HAVE seen the FO boots worn, and know from production discussions that they were sometimes used when they ran out regular boots.  But I haven't seen the weird hybrid boots anywhere other than the Visual Guide, so far.

  10. For the sake of speed and simplicity, my personal recommendation is to put off the hard armor options temporarily, and simply expand the current non-saga Staff to include the straight leg pants + chelsea boot options, and rename it.  We can update the language to the wording used for the green Military Officer Non Saga CRL, as this is the most accurate, up-to-date wording used for these sorts of costumes... and the only difference is truly the color.  These are extremely straight-forward (not uncomplicated on the back end, but still) changes that should be non-controversial, and don't really require negotiating any tricky wording for anything.

     

    Once the Staff/Security CRL is revamped and online, the Social Officer and Science Officer CRLs will be full redundant, and be removed from the active approval list.  (And as always, all currently approved will be grandfathered and nothing changes for them, just like when the original "Staff Officer (Black)" CRL was pulled.)

     

    Then things will be MUCH cleaner and ready to rock for all.

     

    THEN we can take on things like adding in the hard armor options, since that will require more research, careful drafting, and likely some debate.  I just don't want to hold up the overall cleanup, which could happen very quickly, with delays due to hard armor wrangling.  This is probably the most important CRL in the IOC right now (alongside the new olive Military Officer CRL), so the sooner we can get this done the better, in my view.

  11. 2 hours ago, Foolhardyheroes said:

    Hi! So I’ve been searching for the holster for the Merr Son (or a pattern as leather work is something I can do myself) I’ve been searching for a maker who does them but there’s also different styles I’ve seen and I’m not entirely sure which is the correct holster for ANH staff officer (black uniform) 

     

    does anyone know where I can find a pattern/maker for this one? I searched the forums and didn’t see either option. Found some links to a maker on eBay but I’m guessing they aren’t doing runs atm cause nothing pulled up with the links.

     

    any help in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! 
     

    Jayme

     

    I don't recall if I've seen any actual *patterns* per se, but it's a VERY simple holster.  You shouldn't have a hard time eyeballing it, perhaps do a mock up with some craft foam first.  I think Darman's Props (Etsy) is a good source if you decide to buy one.  Mine came from Darth Solar Leatherworks (Facebook... and Tim is semi local (San Diego)), but not sure if he's still making them or not.

     

    Here's mine, if it helps, before, and after I modified the straps which were far too long (common issue with purchased holsters, but easy to fix... the holster should snug up flush with the belt):

     

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    And here are some reference images I've collected over time:

     

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  12. 6 minutes ago, kevair464 said:


    Just bringing it up as a point of reference.

    Beckett would for sure be 501st as a Bounty Hunter or Denizen, at no point is he really a “good guy”. His “Mimban Officer disguise” would be fine as a face character I guess, but I what detachment, I have no idea. Cause he’s essentially a bad guy disguised as a bad guy from another faction (very different circumstances from Han/Luke as TKs).

     

    I can see arguments both ways on that, but I definitely acknowledge that he's a gray area for sure.  I can see him being 501st, and wouldn't be upset if he was.

     

    That being said, he would be a face character with a very specific costume configuration, in our context.  The question we're wrestling with here, is whether those goggles are part of an imperial kit (and thus appropriate for a generic character, not a face character), or Beckett's personal gear.  IMO, the evidence suggests it's his personal gear, and we've found zero evidence to the contrary.

     

    As a reminder, I'd LOVE to find a *single* picture with those goggles on another officer.  I own a pair, too, and would love to wear them, because it's a great look. :)  I just want some evidence that it's an Imperial look, and not Beckett's personal flair, before I do.  (Let alone before we enshrine it in a generic officer CRL)

  13. Spec Ops clearly rolls differently than we do, and I don't agree with their call on using what is *clearly* 100% personal gear (for someone who is not a "bad guy"), and not Imperial gear, in a CRL for an Imperial trooper.  If it was a face character, it would be a very different story... but then you'd be in the debate about whether or not Val (and Beckett) is a 501st character or Rebel Legion.  But a generic Mudtrooper, which is what that configuration claims to be, would never include Val's personal clothing and gear as part of their kit.

     

    It's literally and exactly the opposite of what we believe should be happening here, with Beckett's goggles.

     

    Regardless of how Spec Ops feels on the subject, that Mudtrooper example makes my point as an example of what NOT to do.

     

    Link for ease of reference in this discussion: https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TX_-_Mudtrooper#Version Four

  14. Thanks guys, I like the work here so far.  @kevair464 were you going to recommend changes of your own, in addition to George's?

     

    I agree we need to keep the weathering fairly optional, at this point.  And regrettably, I'm still of the opinion that the goggles need to go, unless we can find *any* confirmation that they're official Imperial kit and not just Beckett's personal gear.  Their Imperial costumes were a combination of personal kit and stolen gear, and bits of each were kept for later.  And yet Beckett is the only one *ever* seen with those goggles, among all the officers seen.

     

    When we get ready to pick this up I'll likely refine and tweak things a bit further, but I think Kevin still had some input to submit, and we're not quite ready to go hard on this one just yet anyway, so there's still some time.

     

    Off to a great start here, though!

  15. 13 hours ago, ShadowStriker said:

    Sorry Buck, I'm trying to sell an Item on the sale for trade. Last time I tried to submit an item, it didn't work.

     

    Hey there... I'm not aware of any specific reason why you would not be able to.  Perhaps try again, and let me know if you still can't?

  16. 5 hours ago, DZ3479 said:

    Tried the pants on this morning without the stirrups under my feet to see if I could bend knees comfortably and nope.  I can't let the pants out as they were taken in to fix the flares which were like elephant ears (a common problem with cosplay sky jods) when I got them. So adjusting the stirrups isn't going to solve the problem.  They are too tight around my hips and butt too (uncomfortable to bend down) so unfortunately the only solution is to get new pants. What is weird is the XS tunic fits me perfectly but the pants were too wide when I got them and are now too tight. Cosplay sky pants are awful.  I bought a star trek jumpsuit through them and the first one I got was way too big even though I sent custom measurements. I got them to redo it and the top half was great but the bottom was still wider than it should be. 

     

    Agreed with Ron... if the pants themselves were altered and are now just plain too small, there's not much that can be done. :(

     

    A second CPS outfit with pants that fit is going to be cheapest, and you'll get matching fabric, too.  Else a whole new outfit from a better seller.

  17. 12 hours ago, DZ3479 said:

    my strriups are thick and wide but are pulled too tight because of the length of my pants. I need to replace my pants unfortunately.

     

    Why not just cut off the stirrups and replace them with a simple elastic band?

     

    I mean, of course you should do whatever you'd like, it's your money, but it does seem like you're making this more complicated that it needs to be.  A stirrup is a very simple thing to add or replace. :)

     

    If you want to replace the pants for other reasons, that's two birds with one stone, of course. :)  (But bear in mind that you need matching fabric on the pants, unless you want to replace your tunic as well)

  18. 1 hour ago, DZ3479 said:

    That is good. Am seriously considering getting a pair of jods from Wampa Wear but need to wait until I've had my annual exam at the dentist as that will cost me 80-90. Am in limbo with that thanks to stupid covid.

     

    As I said above, though, there will be a very noticable difference between the CosplaySky tunic and WampaWear pants.  You can get away with mixing and matching tunics and hats, but not usually tunics and pants.

     

    It will cost a LOT less to have good stirrups added to CosplaySky pants (any tailor can sew a piece of elastic to the end) than to replace the whole costume.

     

    I am NOT very good at sewing and I managed to add stirrups to the ends of almost every costume I have.

     

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