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That specific costume is extremely rare... I'm not aware of any commercial sources for it. I only know offhand of one single approved Calixte (the CRL model herself). I'd be willing to bet her armor was a one-off commission or perhaps even self-made. You could reach out to her and ask, perhaps?
Pretty much any bespoke uniform make could make gray jodphurs pretty easily. There is a vendor list posted, although I'll admit it's not well-maintained (and it wasn't pinned anymore for some reason, so it was hard to find!). There is a plan in the works to take care of that, but it's still a decent starting point:
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Highly recommended. Beautiful quality tailoring.
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I'd be more worried about the extremely aggressive (and visible) tread, but that's a judgment call that's up to the GML, so yes, I agree reaching out to them is the best bet.
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7 hours ago, Thxboy said:
Short answer was “nothing they can share ATM”. I don’t push back on the “why”.
However, did get guidance that the SEO “might” have been out on display during the premier. I’d start maybe some forensics and check with legion members (not just IOC) who attended the ROS premier and see if they grabbed photos. In the first two premiers (in Hollywood) costumes were in the lobby and after party areas in display. SoCal usually has a host of members that attend. I’d suggest a legion forum shout out and see if someone managed to nab a pic.
Beat the drums. See what turns up.
There’s one more former LFL contact who’s always at premiers I will reach out to.
Unfortunately the Legion handled the TROS premiere directly. Not a single member of SoCal garrison's command staff was able to attend. We didn't even get a list of locals who were attending.
We're going to try to find people who attended, however, in the Legion at large, and see any private photos may have turned up that happened to capture the back of this uniform... if it indeed turns out it was actually out and about. I've seen quite a few photos from the premiere, though, and I feel like I would have remembered seeing this one out there. But hopefully we'll be surprised.
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5 hours ago, shadan said:
The fact still stands that the ‘rules’ aren’t applied consistently. There are enough examples of CRLs going through even recently that support this.
We do have references for the back.
Are they the best? No, but we have them.
Can we hand on heart extrapolate the details? Based on the fact that some CRLs have come from comics and toys (not to mention that this is a fabric costume not entirely dissimilar to others we know so well) I also fully believe we can.
I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again.
At WORST, based on the evidence we have, there’s a missing seam or two.
Not a thermal detonator, not a green armour butt-plate with a tail that shoots lasers.
At BEST, the proposal is exactly right.If, in the YEARS to come, we find out there is a missing seam we can update the CRL. This kind of thing happens all the time.
CRLs have been made using less reliable evidence that this.
This pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter.
The LMO's have the discretion to make the call here, because the rules allow them some wiggle room. No disputing that.
But they're choosing to err on the conservative side, and losing what could be an unusually great costume for the Legion as a result. They could just as easily choose to go with the clear wishes of the membership on the matter, and still be well within the guidelines.
And there are plenty of examples where the opposite choice to the one they've staked out here was made, and the costume was greenlit. IMO, this should be one of those. The hardline stance isn't serving the membership or the Legion.
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I wear the most comfortable socks that fit in the boot. I'm a big fan of ThorLo technical hiking socks, as they're made for hiking and other hard-on-the-feet activities. Whether you can fit padded socks in your boots depends on you, and how your boots fit, however.
Or sometimes I wear fun socks, since they're not visible to me anyway. It occasionally amuses me to wear socks covered in Rebel logos LOL.
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The Solo navy trooper has back photos. I screencapped them myself and added them to the relevant thread. The confirm what the costume designer said. I don't think that particular costume is relevant to this discussion.
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I would say the round circles you're seeing on the left side of the buckle are simply the belt holes which are present on many imperial belts, exaggerated a bit for artistic effect. I don't think they're intended to be actual rivets.
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On 5/12/2021 at 12:20 PM, Loren said:
Hey staff member, Sorry I wasn't clear about my question. I'm am entering as a Staff Officer from the Original Trilogy. If there is anything else you want to know, please let me know.
Hi Loren: Are you referring to the ANH Staff Officer? That's a very specific costume, and not easy to get, but it would be great to see more of them!
Did you have a specific question about the costume?
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On 5/13/2021 at 2:48 AM, MoffInquisitor said:
Quick follow-up question:
Is there an approximate date, when the Moff Gideon CRL will be released/announced?
There's no specific date in mind. I STILL have to go over and finalize the language used, although I hope to have significant progress on that soon. After we wrap all that up, it goes to the LMOs to have their turn, and decide on approval, and they don't have any specific time limits, either, nor do we know what their backlog is right now. I know they've had another new CRL we submitted for over a month, so... ???
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8 minutes ago, buckrogersbarker said:
We haven't been even, we haven't been fair. And it bothers me.
The implication, intended or not, is that that DOs were being unfair on purpose. I would suggest that it was simply missed, human error. NOT that it was ignored.
Human error is not being unfair.
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11 hours ago, DarthAloha said:
Ok. Thanks!
Now that I’m home I’ll catch up with the rest of the team about it. Lately these decisions are voted on by all LMOs with no one LMO having more say than the other.
What I’d like to work on is getting us involved earlier in the CRL creation process. It’s sort of broken that we tend to sit around and wait for a detachment to throw something over the wall to us to think about. That’s an internal LMO problem not something about the detachments or IOC. My hope is to spend more time on IOC this year to prevent that.
Thanks for everyone’s patience.
-Eric
@DarthAloha, I'm trying to parse this... I've been informed that the LMO team has been kicking around discussions about this costume for many weeks, if not longer. Kris Kobus is on your LMO team and he was the one who started this very thread... he certainly knows every step that's happened along the way with this costume, having personally made recommendations to the applicant (as you can read in this very thread, again). What sort of involvement was lacking, for this costume?
Or is this more in regards to other costumes, to be developed in the future?
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On 5/6/2021 at 1:45 PM, Loren said:
Very cool. I'm am so excited to start becoming a member of this gigantic family. Please notify me if there is anything you were told to show best presentation with my uniform. Thanks Chase.
Hi Loren: Happy to have you here! I'm not quite sure what you're asking here, though. Are you looking for tips about how to take the best photos? Photography tips or just dressing tips, like "make sure your uniform is neatly pressed, make sure your pants are stuffed well into your boots and aren't bunched up at the top, make sure your belt is worn at the natural waist (belly button height) and covering the tunic's center seam, your belt is worn with the silver rivet on the left side, make sure your rank bar is horizontal to the ground and at an even height with the code cylinder pocket"... stuff like that? I'm assuming this is for a Line Officer but I don't think you've stated that for sure.
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4 hours ago, MoffInquisitor said:
Whitmers - Thank you for all your innovation and work on creating this new CRL.
IOC Costume Judges - Although the final CRL is still pending, would this costume meet all the anticipated requirements strictly for the soft parts? [Link copied]
Similar to how other on-line Cosplay Officer uniforms can be approved, if properly fitted?
Hi Ian: I can't really opine on that until we get closer to getting the CRL dialed in, during which time I'll be going over all the wording with a fine-toothed comb.
Also, the photos make a number of details hard to tell, so it's hard to say how easy it will be to evaluate that costume just from the listing photos. And of course, as you noted, how the costume fits you is also a wildcard that I can't comment on.
Here's the cleaned up link directly to that Amazon listing: https://www.amazon.com/Mandalorian-Costume-Halloween-Cosplay-Outfits/dp/B08QJ4SMGP/
I'd say if you want to know, start comparing the details of that costume to the details of Whitmer's costume, and the reference photos, and note where you see differences. One detail that jumped out at me without even comparing photos up close, is the edging on the cape is black instead of gray, so there's at least one modification that would be required, assuming the CRL goes forward with the information we have now.
You should note, of course, that the CRL language is not remotely final at this point... not only have we not formalized the language yet, the LMOs have not had their say yet (and changes are often made to our work, at that point). So basing a purchasing decision on the very rough draft in place now is a bit risky, in my opinion.
Finally, I'll note that while sometimes the better cosplay producers do a decent job and can produce 501st passable results, more often they do not meet the standards. Just because it comes from a cosplay source doesn't mean it will be dismissed out of hand, but neither does it mean that because others have sometimes succeeded, surely this one will, too. Such things are examined on a case-by-case basis. Once a vendor is *known* for reliably producing a specific costume that meets standards (or meets them with xyz adjustments), they can be recommended to others, but with the understanding that it's always going to come down to how well the costume works on that specific applicant. A top tier Clothears Officer uniform will be rejected if it doesn't fit the applicant correctly, no matter how perfect the uniform may be on someone else.
It's pretty obvious, of course, that the hard parts are not remotely approvable, but you did specific just the soft parts, so I'll ignore that.
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Because the belt moves a lot (or isn't worn properly in the first place, quite common, sadly), including on the on screen officers, which is how that seam was spotted.
Higher level approvals mean you are more closely meeting the screen accurate standard, which is why it's only required for higher level approvals, leaving general approval more accessible to all.
It's a real shame Anovos screwed that detail up, when they did so much else right with that uniform. But every other vendor makes them properly, even the bargain basement ones, so making an exception for one vendor isn't fair, no matter how much they charge.
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5 hours ago, DarthAloha said:
Hi folks. One of your LMOs here.
Apologies for the 11th hour question. I’ve been traveling for work and I’ve had my head down for too long.
Is there any more reference for the back of this costume?
I promised Bob I would be more involved with new CRLs as they hit the IOC forums. Please allow me to start living up to that as of now.
-Eric
I think the shots earlier in this thread are as good as it's going to get, unless LFL decides to release more BTS footage.
Fortunately, CRLs can be edited if something dramatic and new is learned later.
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The stretch panels are not there for permanent expansion of boots that just don't fit, they're really there to help ease boots over larger calves, and a bit of extra comfort.
An inch and a half is a lot to stretch. Whether that's possible or not with the boots you have will depend on the quality of the leather, the quality of the boot build, and the skill of the cobbler. I'd be prepared to look for boots that fit properly, if it doesn't work out.
Fingers crossed for you!
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Yup. As noted you can scuff them up a bit on a rough surface to get a little more traction, but leather soles are leather soles. No different from men's dress shoes with leather soles: They're going to be slippery in some places.
If it's more than you're comfortable, the same sort of rubber non-slip pads they can add to men's dress shoes work the same on boots with leather soles. Any shoe repair shop / cobbler should be able to add them fairly permanently, or just get the self-stick ones and do it yourself.
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I love my vacuformed compads!
It's always a balancing act between screen accuracy and having something look better than screen accurate... the on-screen ones never got the kind of close scrutiny that we get when we troop. The crisp detail you can get from the resin compads can look awfully nice, for instance.
Still, I've mostly switched to vacuformed ones, for my own costumes, just because I'm an accuracy nut that way.
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Interestingly, that "Rebels-style" had construction has apparently made it's way into the real world. Hats on the Mandalorian are now showing up that have a similarly-different cut on that back flap, where it's no longer basically a straight line around the back flap.
That said, if anything, I'd think that would be best for a L2/L3 detail, if we were to require it at all. And I don't see a need for the back flap to be shorter than the front flap... I suspect that would vary a bit per individual for fitment reasons, anyway.
My take, anyway.
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Thanks!
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16 minutes ago, tarok said:
The Solo VG refers to Beckett’s goggles as “field goggles”, not his personal goggles. IMO it stands to reason that an officer stationed on Mimban may be equipped similarly to troopers, who wear polarised goggles.
One could even argue the semantics and read that caption as “officer’s cap with [officer’s] field goggles”.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSemantic arguments cut both ways. They are not referred to as "Imperial field goggles". And Beckett is 100% wearing stolen uniform PLUS bits of his own kit. Later he sheds all of the Imperial kit but keeps the goggles.
We can't assume that they are part of a standard officer kit, even in the mud, when not a single officer is seen wearing them. (noting that Beckett is NOT an officer so nothing about him is "proof" of anything) Even one single actual Imperial officer wearing them would change that, but we have yet to see an example showing that.
If they show up later, I'll be thrilled to add them to the CRL. I'm a fan of them, as I mentioned.
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5 hours ago, EllenStreichfuss said:
Can somebody please explain to me why we are the only detachment trying to get all cartoon/animated costumes looking cartoony in real life while costumes like Hondo, the Grand Inquisitor, Seventh Sister and so on are made to look realistic?
Why?
I'll preface this by noting that I have not not made any decisions, with regard to this thread... those decisions were outside the scope of my authority at the time.
All that said: Cartoony how? I just read this whole thread over, to see what you mean, and I don't see anything especially cartoony about... anything. The last things here were about the hat, which has a different cut to regular real-life officer hats, but it's not "cartoony".
All THAT said, my personal take on the hat matter, if that's all that's holding this CRL up, is that perhaps the differently-shaped back flaps could be reserved as a L2/L3 detail... I think Lindsey's last hat looks fine.
Rebels Style Officer (w/seventh fleet emblem optional accessory) CRL proposal/WIP
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As soon as we break the LMO logjam and get the Gideon CRL live, there are a number of costumes we'll be revisiting, including this one. New leadership, new decisions.
(although it's still ultimately the LMO's call)