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On 4/29/2023 at 10:01 AM, GeneralSneers said:
Do you know if ‘they put it out there’ before they buy or do they just buy it and see what the uptake is?
We don't know the specifics of their plans, sorry
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4 hours ago, GeneralSneers said:
Thanks for the reply, do you know what colour fabric they are buying in??If it's like last time, black, olive, and white, at a minimum, and I believe I heard they were considering adding red and possibly a gray, but that remains to be seen if that works out. It's not an IOC-managed run: It's their deal, so we'll have to wait and see what they come up with.
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Hmm. I show your two examples as being about 4", using the known size of their rank bars.
Further, code cylinder pocket placement can vary a fair amount.
I'm still having trouble picturing a 6" dart making sense on anything this side of maybe Andre the Giant.
Thoughts?
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26 minutes ago, chicken45 said:
Bringing closure to this:
We made the change to ISB Supervisors and Dedra:
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
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There is a dart present on the top center of the yoke.
- The dart may vary in size due to the size of the wearer's individual tunic and how it fits, but should be between 2 to 6 inches (50.5mm to 152.4mm) in length. Typically, but not always, the dart ends at or below the top of the code cylinder pocket.
We will update the black and olives shortly once they are unlocked.
What... giant... would proportionately fit a SIX inch dart in their tunic? I can't imagine needing more than 4", even on a pro basketball player. And that's not remotely "typical". All the discussion above has said 2-3". Typo?
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There is a dart present on the top center of the yoke.
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On 3/14/2023 at 5:23 AM, Detaleader said:
And I got the correct headset for Andor in today:
Just needs some paint + a few silver greeblies
Great score! Can you share what specific model those are? I might want to add a pair to my collection, if it's not completely unreasonable...
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On 3/10/2023 at 5:52 PM, Detaleader said:
G'day folks!
I'm not really sure how this flew under the radar, but the Enlisted did in fact make a comeback on Andor! A few of them are present on Aldhani.
I took the liberty to create an imgur album to back up the things I say here with reference: https://imgur.com/a/meq9guX
- The Enlisted crew carry the same headset as Kimzi/Aldhani troopers in uniform. This appears to be a Racal Aviation headset with some additional greeblies on. I've ordered one for myself to check out if this can be achieved accurately.
- Wrist Length black leather gloves are seen on some Enlisted Crew. These seem to be the same Dent gloves seen throughout the Andor Series.
- Not all Enlisted on the show carry a compad. This may mean that the compad could be moved to the optional section? Interestingly, the Compad is optional on the Non-Saga Crewman, but not the current draft for the enlisted.
- The Rogue One Version has Chevron shaped mandarin closures on wrist and on the neck. The Andor version has squared off closures.
- The Compad on both R1 and Andor matches the Imperial Ground Crew in shape, rather than the TIE Compad. You can see this in the R1 visual guide image posted on the first page as well.
- The Andor Compad has a different color configuration than the Compads seen in Rogue One
- Andor Belt boxes are slightly smaller. According to @fb501 on the Spec Ops forums, the Belt Boxes measure 67mm tall, 45mm wide and 25mm deep for Andor. This has also been raised on this thread:
The Andor belt boxes are not silver, but rather a dark gunmetal color and feature a pill shaped notch in the top:
One minor point: The belt box pictured was a screen used Army Trooper's belt box, from the Aldhani episodes on Andor. Definitely correct for that uniform, but not exactly for ALL belt boxes in the entire Andor series.
In particular, ISB officers on Coruscant have obviously lighter boxes (we have seen some scenes where some background characters have darker boxes, but it's not clear if that's due to lighting or if they're just doing the thing where they grab stuff out of the boxes from other costumes, when they run short and need a lot for a specific scene). So while the sculpt is likely pretty universal (although we still have some suspicion that some key stars got real metal ones), I believe the intention was for the ISB officers (at a minimum) to have lighter silver boxes, not the darker ones. We need to see more references, to say how this applies to the enlisted / flightsuit costumes, which are neither ISB nor Army Troopers.
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IOC Staff just had a discussion about the name, since this one seems to be gaining some interest.
We checked the credits and subtitles, and there are references to both Guards (of various types... Box Guard, Console Guard, Delivery Guard, etc) and an "Intake Warden", but the uniforms don't seem to be any different. So these are all Prison Guards, of various types.
Thing is, we have seen other prisons and detention centers before (Wobani, the plant prison they broke Jyn Erso out of, for instance), and they did not have these specialized uniforms, just standard uniforms we already have (navy troopers, security officers, etc.) So these are somewhat unique.
Wookieepedia is definitely not authoritative or official, but they refer to this costume as a "Narkina 5 Prison Guard". https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Narkina_5_prison_guard
There are also the Prison Technicians and the Prison Commander (although they both wear the same costume, just no hat on the commander) in the sort of slate blue jumpsuits, otherwise pretty much the same as the Guards and Wardens: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_Narkina_5_prison_commander
Under the circumstances, we are leaning towards naming this costume "Narkina 5 Prison Guard" because it is, so far, unique to this particular factory prison. Should we see other similar (but different?) Prison Guards in the future, we can rename the costume to just "Imperial Prison Guard" and add tabs for the CRL variations, if needed.
I'm going to rename this thread to reflect the updated costume name.
- vonmoen, buckrogersbarker and Coolajxl
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It's in the IOC Members-Only area, but once you're approved (I'm sure you have enough knowledge by how to take the basic approval photos, at least!), I recommend checking out the Firebirds subforum. That's a group for the ladies of the IOC, available for members to join. There's a thread with tons of photos that should give you LOTS of examples of what others have done.
Outside of pure approval, however, you'll want to talk to your local GML, once approved, and see what they're ok with locally. Some follow strict standards, and others are a bit looser with what they permit, on actual local troops.
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49 minutes ago, Skykat108 said:
Something that says Narkina 5 would be helpful. I know that Andor and Kino called them guards during the escape scene.
The jumpsuit seems doable. Time to test out that new heat press!
However, I clicked on the link for the boots and Burton is out of stock. Quick google search did not show this coloring. I have emailed Burton to see if they will have stock available at some point. I will continue my search though.
My understanding is that specific model boot is discontinued and no longer made. I believe Crow Props is working on making a copy.
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Naming question: Would these be considered Wardens or Prison Guards? I thought the warden was the one leader at the top, in charge of the whole prison. The rest of them would be guards and various other underling functions. But my understanding is there is only one Warden. So perhaps these should be "Imperial Prison Guards" instead? We could get specific with "Narkina 5" as well, if we wanted, but there could be Imperial Prison Guards in the same uniform in other prisons, too, it stands to reason. (Of course, they could also have different patterns on their coveralls, or some other indication that they're from a different prison, or even entirely different uniforms... no way to know until they show us another prison)
@buckrogersbarker Thoughts on the name?
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Not familiar with that vendor. I look forward to seeing how that turns out!
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Oh hey, I was going through some references photos I've collected over the years, and stumbled across this photo of Peter Cushing's actual screen-used trousers from ANH. You can see how his pockets were done:
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The fabric run that the Germans run periodically (as in 2016, 2017 and 2018, but coming again soon) is from the same supplier that supplied the uniforms for the OT, I believe. I think these large mills only deal with large orders, so I don't think you can just place an individual order for a few yards. I believe they're doing another group order in the next few months, however, if you want to wait for that.
All that said, I'm not sure we have the names of the actual mills that are supplying fabric to the current productions. Do you know the company names? They're likely under an NDA.
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My wife usually does fairly minimal makeup and a low ponytail.
She also tries to not have crazy nails when she's trooping, and if she happens to have something especially not right for an officer, she keeps her gloves on.
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Oh hey, I happened be checking something in my eBay account and stumbled across the gloves I used for my Krennic:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/121718091583?var=420718711427
We got side-tracked with boot talk, but I still had in the back of my mind that someone had been looking for Krennic gloves.
These have the perfect wrist snap that leaves a little circle of exposed skin just above it, and are lovely quality. Order them soon, because shipping from the UK takes a fair amount of time. You'll pay more for shipping than the gloves, unfortunately, but the overall cost is still totally reasonable compared to the truly pricey gloves.
Here is what I got:
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For the pants:
"There is a upside down, asymmetrical Y shaped tuck on the front of the trousers."
That's not a "tuck", I think it's piping. (and the Y is upside down)
Perhaps "There is small piping down the front center of the trousers at the natural fold, terminating into an upside-down Y shape at the knees. The piping is the same material as the main fabric."
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Yup, that's definitely the right stuff.
Here's a shot of WampaWear's Cavalry Twill (a poly blend instead of wool, but still good stuff):
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1 minute ago, CodyLee said:
@kman thanks for the heads up, I think I'll take them in to have them altered as you suggested if the quality turns out good. Really looking forward to having everything put together since I commissioned my uniform last June. I'd be more than happy to show you what I've got!
Sounds great! Who is doing your uniform?
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All three of those costumes are the same base tunic and pants, yes. A few more, as well. The only one that's really completely different is the ANH Staff Officer... that's an entirely different tunic with very different construction. Since it's easier to see the detail on the olive green versions, that's a good reference to use, as it's the same pattern for black, for the ones you cited.
There are no complete patterns that I'm aware of. A number of people have started on the project, but no one has actually crossed the finish line of providing complete patterns in multiple sizes. (I think one lady may have posted a single size pattern, but unless you happen to be her size, you'd need considerable work to change the pattern for your size and shape anyway) All the rest just seemed to ... stop, at some point in the process.
The CyberSeams hat pattern is very decent, although it's not perfect... it doesn't have the correct detail of the folded over seamsalong the flaps, and instead fakes it with a simple seam. That's fine, though, for a starting project... and approvable. I've made a couple of hats from that pattern myself.
The material itself would ideally be a cavalry twill, which is not easy to come by. Gabardine twill, is a common alternative, since it looks similar from a normal viewing distance. The originals would have been wool or a wool blend, but today a number of polyester blends can do nicely as well.
McCalls M4745 makes a historical jacket pattern that many experience sewers have altered to include the Officer details. There should be threads you can search out for discussions of that.
There's a couple of ways of doing the tunic. The more accurate is to have an inner flap that attaches to the underside of the left shoulder top, and the right side flap of course attaches to the top of the right shoulder. This is how WampaWear and Magnoli do theirs:
The other way is how the cheap Chinese cosplay shops make them, with a standard hidden zipper front and a front plackard that comes across the front to snap on the right:
I think Butterick B6340 and B6433 are the historical jodhpur patterns that many have used to make trousers. If I can find mine somewhere, I'll call out the pattern, but I'll bet you can turn it up in the few searches here. The pants are quite simple, except for the flares, so getting that is pretty key, else pretty much any pants pattern you can find should work fine. Recall that you only actually see from approx lower buttocks down to the knee-high boots, so not a lot is visible.
I've seen two types of pockets in pants, and both work. Given how low the tunic comes (or should come), even standard jeans-style pockets will generally work, for front pockets. This is basically what WampaWear uses for their pants:
While those work, more effective, IMO, are the "straight across" pockets that Magnoli uses. I find them a little easier to get into, and they're even less likely to ever be seen:
Oh, I've also seen a few with simple pockets on the back. Entirely up to you if you want to add them as well, as long as they're covered by the tunic so you don't see them. Best to avoid putting a bulky wallet in them, though... I kinda think front pockets are better for actually carrying things, given how obvious back pocket stuff tends to be.
I definitely recommend suspenders (clip ons are fine, button on is nicer) and stirrups, to help avoid pants bunching at the knees. (very common with tall boots, without those helpers)
Higher level approvals are applied for after you have passed basic approval and have an approved costume. At that point, if you meet the criteria, just take the extra photos showing this, and apply in the appropriate forum. (Hint: Read those threads over and look at the photos and you can see many photos of many excellent costumes, especially in the Imperator (Level 3) threads.) Or you can start making the additions and alteration needed to reach those criteria, and submit anytime you're ready. Level 2 and 3 is entirely optional but definitely recommended.
We all look better... when we all look better. LOL I definitely agree that for something like an officer, it's best to build with those details in mind from the beginning, rather than needing to re-make something from scratch to correct inaccuracies. For many, it's a small matter of needing to upgrade to a better quality rank badge, having purchases a cheap one just to get across the finish line, or buy real boots instead of the cheapest rubber equestrian boots they could find, just for budgetary reasons, and then be able to troop while saving up for the better ones. Costs more in the long run, but gets across the line faster. It really comes down to budget, time, and interest.
Any other questions, please hit us up. We're here to help!
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Right, that's the bolt, on the original firearm these blasters are based on. (The Swiss Rexim-Favor submachine gun)
Bolts can sometimes be parkerized to a dark metal, but realistically, once used for any significant amount of time, any finish tends to wear off, and you end up seeing the shiny steel itself. (and of course, many bolts are shiny steel to begin with). This is especially true of firearms of many decades ago, such as the Rexim-Favor, the bolt for which was indeed a regular silver metal color:
I don't know if we have great photography of the original props, which were casts of the Rexim-Favor, not the actual modified firearm, to show whether it was black or silver. Some of the more recent non-saga shows I think have been mostly black, as well.
That said, the amount of weathering varies wildly, so on a more heavily used blaster, you're always going to see more silver from wear than on a brand new factory-fresh one. So from an approval standpoint, you can do whichever you prefer, and feel good about it.
- vonmoen and SnazzyGent
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Blackwing Officer - zombie
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Painful to see that done to an officer costume, not to mention ruining good boots, LOL
But very cool!