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  1. Let's break this down a bit.

     

    First off, if you're looking to do General Veers, specifically, there is no face character CRL specifically for him, nor will there be, because he wears an absolutely generic Imperial Line Officer uniform, with no distinguishing differences whatsoever.  So there's no "new CRL" here, it's just a regular OT office, the green tunic version: "Line Officer".  Note that the uniform is also worn under his armor, in ESB, but that armored version belongs to a different detachment: The armored Cavalry Detachment.  The CRL you're looking for is the "AT-AT Commander" and is, again, a generic CRL and not *specifically* for Veers himself.   (someone gave links above so I'm not repeating them here)

     

    Secondly, getting into the meat of things: There are basically four colors of officer tunic.

     

    1) Black for Security Services (as seen in ANH, Rogue One, and the recent TV shows... note the tunics are completely different in ANH but the others all use the same basic pattern elements)

    2) White (sometimes warm white, sometimes cold white, sometimes a hint of gray) for Imperial Security Bureau (again, the ANH tunic is a bit different, tho less dramatically so than the ANH Staff Officers)

    3) Gray (a true medium gray, as seen on the ISB Assistants in Andor in a standard tunic cut, and very briefly on two background officers in ANH with tunics made to the same pattern as the black staff officer tunics)

    4) Feldgrau (german for "field gray" which is actually a sort of olive green, with browns and grays mixed in) for the "Line officers" or "Military Officers", such as General Veers, and many others... the can look anywhere from gray to green to brown depending on lighting and color grading, but they're all Feldgrau... basically olive green.  NOT gray.

     

    The latter color seems to be what we're discussing here, primarily.  And of course the most confusion results from discussions of this color, for a variety of reasons... but mostly because it can look SO different depending on the lighting.  Some shots it's very gray, others it has more brown, and usually in bright natural lighting it looks quite green... but even that can depend on what color grading it applied, after shooting.

     

    As for the photos supplied in the OP above, there's a lot going on.  I'll break it down for you.

     

    The color MIGHT ok, or it might not... as I said, this color is REALLY hard to judge in photos due to lighting.  If your local GML has seen it in person, they'll know better whether it's actually in the Feldgrau realm (there may need to be more green, if it really is a gray), or if it's just a gray (which is wrong).

     

    For the base uniform, the fit overall seems to be within reason, and the required elements are there, I think, for the tunic and pants.  I didn't see any topstitching, which someone mentioned above (I think?), but maybe I missed it?  The pants are pretty baggy, especially bunching up around the top of the boots, but that's likely just a fitment issue that can be fixed by tucking them in better (or better yet have elastic stirrups added to the bottom of the pants, that helps hugely with that), else if they're truly too long they can be shortened pretty easily.

     

    The hat, however, definitely does not meet standards.  As was called out above, the brim only has 4 concentric lines of stitching, the brim shape is a bit off (should be one consistent curve, and not kinda rectangular with rounded corners) ... and the shape is strange in that the crown of the hat should definitely not be what looks like a full inch taller than the front and back flaps: it should be the same height as the top of those flaps  Either they're too short, or it's too tall.

     

    The belt buckle isn't great, and doesn't look like it would qualify for higher level approvals (it appears flat, but should have a slight curve), but it will probably pass for basic approval.

     

    The older boots were correctly called out as not approvable: The seam going down the front does not meet standards, all of which explicitly call out no seam in the front.  The only issue I see with the newer boots is they are simply too tall.  The boots are supposed to be knee high, but that means coming up to the knee (in practive this means stopping just before the knee starts, else you can't bend your leg if it covers the back of your knee), and those clearly extend quite a bit higher than the knee.  A show repair place can lightly cut them shorter, however, so they should be rescue-able.  They can make them more accurate by having a totally flat top, while they're trimming it ... may as well, if you're cutting them down anyway.

     

    The belt boxes and code cylinders look good, but they're mixed up a bit.  (Neither is used for the AT-AT Commander, btw)  For OT Line Officers, the code cylinder clips are correctly brass in appearance.  But the newer Non-Saga Military officers use silver clips, instead (irrelevant if you only care about OT).  BUT: The belt boxes, which are lovely, and perfect the non-Saga military officers, are the wrong type and size for the OT Line Officers.  Belt boxes are optional, though, so if you're only going for the OT version, just leave them off.

     

    The rank bar is fine for basic approval, but it's the cheap acrylic chip variety instead of pushbutton, so you won't be able to go higher with that.  Again, fine for basic approval.

     

    As noted above, the Line Officer CRL does not include a DH17 option, so that will need to be left out of any such application.  The AT-AT commander permits it, since Veers was seen in a behind the scenes photo with an empty holster and they allow any officer-carried blaster to be used, since they don't know which it was.  But that's when wearing armor on some sort of away mission, not the usual setup... no green tunic officers in the OT were carrying any sort of blaster, so the IOC does not include one for this costume.  (For the more recent Military officer CRLs, they've only been seen with SE-14R or MSP5 blasters, so the DH17 doesn't work there, either)

     

    I hope this doesn't scare you off... you are very close in a number of areas, and as long as the main tunic and pants work out, color-wise (again, your local GML is going to be the judge of that), it should not take much to get you across the finish line. :) A little work on the boots and possibly a new hat, and leave a few non-appropriate parts off, and I think you're there.

  2. 19 hours ago, PiotrRasputin said:

    Hessen doesn't do custom orders anymore. Their boots come from Spain and the manufacturer doesn't make changes as far as I know.  

     

    Did they stop again?  They used to do them, then stopped for a long time, but started taking them again.  If they've stopped doing them (again), that's news to me.

  3. 2 hours ago, Nathanzx10r said:

    I have a Wampa hat that I just purchased for a display, I was extremally disappointed. 

     

    I also just had to request an applicant get a new hat, he was wearing a Wampa hat for approval. I'm not 100% if the hat was too large for applicant or if it was just the way it was made... But the hat had a full inch+ of space between the wearers head on the side and looked way to oversized. I would suggest another vendor, some of us GML's do pay close attention to proper fitment and not just construction.

     

    Having said that, your fitment looks fine and I would approve it.  But, I am not your GML.

     

    Sounds like that hat was just too large.

     

    But I agree that Wampa's hats are not great.

     

    Unfortunately, Azman has not been receptive to updating the pattern, and probably won't until people start getting rejected.

  4. I'm not a fan of WampaWear's hat, I'll admit.  And frankly... they don't actually meet the specific requirements of the CRL.  That said, I've never seen a GML not approve one.  They have the proportions and overall shape a bit wrong, along with a slightly too wide brim.  All this adds up to what you're seeing.

     

    Two options: Get used to it and ignore it, and don't worry because it's extremely unlikely you'll have a problem with approval, OR buy some fabric from Wampa and have a matching hat made for you.

     

    In terms of helping the one you have:  (1) You can use some painters tape (or any number of methods, like forcing it into a small saucepan or wide coffee mug) to help force more of a curve into that super stiff brim.  That'll help the brim some.  And a garment steamer (you can get them for like $20 on Amazon) or a light *careful* ironing (too hot and you can melt those fine polyester threads), and/or dry cleaning and professional cleaning, should help the shape of the one you have.

     

    This might help with Imgur:

     

  5. 24 minutes ago, dcx13 said:

    Not so much worried about wearing 2 gloves at the same time... unless I'm an Ardennian and didn't realize it. :D I'm more concerned with being able to substitute the gauntlet style gloves in place of the shorter ones, in order to meet approval standards. Obviously, GML has final say, but I'm hoping this may have been previously encountered here before. 

    As far as letting the sleeves out goes, the quality of work from both my local tailors has gone downhill in recent years, so I'd rather risk being "too short" than too ruined.

     

    I would think there are more than two local tailors in San Francisco. ;)  Point made, though... just consider it at some point when viable.

     

    I haven't heard the glove issue being raised before... I would think most GMLs can understand the intent.  (speaking as a GML)  If you have any issues, however, feel free to direct them to this thread, or they can inquire through the usual channels.  I suspect you'll be fine, though. :)

  6. On 11/9/2023 at 8:24 AM, dcx13 said:

    @ChrisLie getting a tailored tunic is not something that's financially possible for now. The fact that the sleeve length is "just" at the limit of (what I think may be) too short, is why I was hoping that the problem could be solved with the glove option.

     

    @antihero there are no references needed, as the gloves are in the CRL under optional pieces. https://www.imperialofficer.com/forum/index.php?/topic/15427-adding-gauntlets-to-security-officers-non-saga/ My question simply is, does "optional" mean they can be substituted in place of the standard officer gloves, or does it mean they are in addition to? In every other measurement, the tunic fits perfectly fine. As I've already said, getting tailored pieces is not something that is financially possible or reasonable for me... being a disabled combat veteran has some perks, but being rich isn't one of them.

     

    Is your question "do I have to wear two gloves at the same time?"  Obviously that's not the requirement, so yes, you would wear the optional glove style instead of the shorter gloves.

     

    Side note: Have you had your local tailor see if they can let your sleeves out a little bit, on your Wampa tunic?  Usually there's at least some fabric in there that could use to lengthen them... not a huge amount, but it might be just enough to help.  And isn't usually super expensive.  Just a thought. :)

  7. The pants should at least mostly match the tunic.  Black has a degree of flexibility that the olive uniforms lack, BUT dramatically different weaves are still going to be really obvious and any GML worth their salt is going to call that out.  WampaWear tunics use accurate Cavalry twill fabric... you could probably mix them with Denuo Novo pants (and vice versa, since these are the only vendors who use the accurate Cavalry Twill fabric) but anything else is going to be a garbardine twill and very noticably different.

     

    Among other tunics, even gabardine can vary considerably.  After ordering and returning two from Amazon, I gave up on mail order and had to bring my tunic to several different mens shops to try to find off the rack slacks that didn't visibly clash... some were darker black, some were lighter, some had WAY too much sheen, some not enough... took a while to find something that seemed like it matched reasonably well.  If you can just buy from the same vendor you bought the tunic from, it makes things MUCH simpler.

     

    Plain Chelsea boots in black are pretty easy to find.  There are dozens on Amazon. (or even eBay)

  8. Very cool!  One of these from MazCave is definitely on my list as well.  Glad there's finally someone other than Clothears that makes them.  (Clothears is incomparable, of course, but a small shop with a long waitlist and super high prices)

     

    I didn't realize MazCave's hats lack the bias tape around the outer flap curves, though... that's disappointing.  I might talk to Francesco about that.

  9. 4 hours ago, Herulfr said:

    Although it looks sharp, the only reference I know of is Liuetenant Bolandin from Solo on Mimban.

     

    We first saw trenchcoats on a group of officers standing around the road in Rogue One, when Cassian and Jyn were visiting the planet that they first tested the DS1 on.  Rank bars, however, as with Petigar, on Andor, were all inside the coat.  Ditto the various ISB we seen in Andor.  And on Kenobi.

     

    In SASWS, Bolandin actually DOES wear the rank on the outside of trench coat, interestingly.  BUT that's a Mimban officer costume, with an armored chest plate under the trench coat.  Every instance of just a trench over standard soft costume, they have the rank bars on their tunics inside.

     

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  10. On 10/16/2023 at 12:52 PM, GKasheeph said:

    Just got an advice from an reenactor. Someone from Pakistan who makes custom boots for 160 euro. Not too bad, and free shipping. Reenacters are very happy with this seller. Only need to ask if he can like make the top of the boots round like spanish riding boots and if this type of boot is approved for the 501st.

     

    Technically "Spanish tops" are the ones that rise higher on the outside of the leg.  (When riding horses this is to provide the leg with extra protection from brushing against things, like tree branches, etc)

     

    There are some instances of Spanish tops being used on OT boots, which is why they're allowed in the CRL.  But the vast majority of boots in the OT, and I think ALL boots used since, have been flat top boots... no rise on the outside of the leg.

     

    We allow the Spanish tops in the name of inclusion, since boots can be very difficult to source.  But if you're having some customized for you in the first place, you should have them customized to be more accurate, instead of less! :)

  11. On 10/26/2023 at 4:32 AM, Fletcher said:

    The case has been arrived today. What can I say? The height is too low to put an officer hat in without squeeze. The only solution, put it on the side. One of my hats is made of softer material (which is in the bag as shown in the photos) and can be placed on the side without being damaged.

    And yes, you can also but your SE14R in to it, incl. the holster.

     

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    Drat, I was afraid of that. :(  Officer hats are surprisingly tall.

     

    Putting your hats on their side like that is probably not the worst thing (better than anything that crushes them vertically), but still not ideal.  Back to the hunt... those cheap cardboard boxes from JoAnns (Michael's?) that I posted above are still the best option I've found, to date.

  12. We have not seen large numbers of officers in trench coats, on screen, but for the few that we have, I don't recall any instances of them wearing their rank bars on the outside of the coat.  Checking over the few references I have on hand shows the same results.  They seem to move the belt to the outside, but we clearly see rank bars still attached to the tunics underneath.

     

    I think those people you saw just thought it looked cool.  From an official standpoint, no, this would not be allowed.

  13. 1 hour ago, Techne said:

    I couldn't find the OT amber anywhere else, so I ordered from this link, included in the OP under "Amber (I cannot vouch for these personally, but Kman says they're all good)", with some trepidation, since the image doesn't match the product.

     

    If there's anyone else out there who put off ordering them because of the picture mismatch, I can confirm that the link is still good--they are what I was looking for: yellow and 1/2" x 3/4".

     

    Yes, it's frustrating that their catalog image is wrong, but I've ordered a ton of those, too.  They're the correct one. :)

  14. This topic has been kicked around by staff since before I first started in the IOC, over 6 years ago.  I'm thrilled we're finally pulling the trigger.  :)

     

    It's still a great gateway costume, but I can't in good conscience see them being approved for higher levels anymore, with that weird green.

     

    I still love my black officer costume from CosplaySky, though... as long as they fit, some minor tailoring to the pants to fix the flares, and they're still fine, IMO.

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